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Anonymous wrote:It is amazing that a person who never showed throughout her career any antisemitism was attacked and removed based on these false accusations. She should have made the university fire her. She could have sued and exposed these people.

We all know the people behind these attacks have an agenda. One is to increase Jewish attendance percentages at these schools. Right now UPenn has 16% self identified jewish students which is down from a few decades ago when it was 1/3. One of the donors said he would like to see UPenn have at a minimum 30% Jewish students.

I guess who every the new president is will have to be a pro israel, anti Palestinian and Jewish. They will also have to agree to have 30% jewish students body. I bet there will be something about forcing out muslims and Palestinians with support for the settlers.

I would hate to be a Palestinian or Muslim at any of these universities. These people will target them.

These people!
So, how was the Palestinian writers festival back in September? The one that Magill allowed despite widespread concerns? Was anybody targeted? Muzzled?

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pathetic on the part of the university presidents. It is hard to believe that the words uttered by some of these protesters do not violate the universities' policies WRT intimidation and bullying.
Their responses sounded like they spent too much time consulting with university legal counsel instead of using common sense and truth.

Even those on the left agree:

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[b]QThis is so misleading, nobody supports the words “genocide of Jews”,[/b] Stefanik ‘s actual question was that Intifada and River to the Sea translates to genocide of Jews and that’s an incorrect interpretation. Stefanik as always is vile and despicable.[/quote]

Uh, yes they do. It’s called Hamas and it calls for the killing of Jews as part of its
Charter. And this is the group that Israel is trying to protect itself from and that all of the anti-Israel crew are cheering for. Stop the gaslighting.
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That poster obviously meant that no one *on their campuses* had been chanting with those words. And don’t start with intifada or river-to-the-sea. The hypo used the words “genocide of Jews” on purpose to make it as outrageous as possible.[/quote]

Yeah, I’ll start with the facts that from the river to the sea is about annihilating Isreal and is absolutely about eradicating Jews from the region. Something that groups in the region have tried for decades - predating Israel by centuries. Jews are indigenous to that region.

so stop gaslighting. We all know what these anti-Israel chants are about. The dog whistles. We get it. Never thought in million years I’d agree with Elise Stefanik on anything ever. But on this, I do. [/quote]

The fact you started with is wrong. From the river to the sea does not mean annihilating Israel. It just means the Palestinians want to return to their ancestral homes that were stolen from them.

Do you even know what gaslighting means? Seems like you are really struggling with its definition.

We all know this we all know that. What DO you know other than claiming that anyone speaking up for the humanity of Palestinians is an anti Semite. You know nothing Jon Snow. [/quote]

Yes. You are gaslighting. River to the sea is about eradicating Israel. Stop deflecting, stop pretending, just stop.

The same people who were silent or even openly joyous at the devastation of 10/7, who couldn’t even bring themselves to express concern or condemn Hamas, who held up swastikas and and called Jews colonizers, who openly delighted in Hamas’ “resistance” and who defend those tearing down hostage posters, want us to think that there’s no anti semitism and river to the sea is just some ordinary tune. We know what it means.

So stop gaslighting and stop defending / denying antisemitism. Those of us who’ve experienced it, know what antisemitism is. [b]Always ridiculous telling people who experience bigotry because of their religion or color that they don’t know what that bigotry is.[/b] [/quote]

YOU are doing just that “ridiculous” thing when you dismiss Palestinians and put words in pro-Palestinian protestors’ mouths.[/quote]

Because the pro Palestinian folks speak in code and say offensive and anti Semitic things in sneaky ways, to have the effect of deniability while their meaning is clear.

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Okay so you’re a mind reader and are de-coding those “sneaky” people! You sound just like anti-Semites talking about the conspiracies of the “clever” Jews.

Or… plenty of protesters are voicing legitimate grievances and dismissing them all as bent on the annihilation of Jews makes you look nuts.[/quote]

DP.

Plenty of protesters ARE voicing legitimate grievances.

The problem is that they’re allying themselves with people callling for the elimination of Israel, celebrating Hamas, etc.

It’s an exact parallel to Trump voters. You might not be a racist, but look at who’s standing next to you.

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Hm… so how do you feel about standing next to Stefanik and the MAGA crowd?

Personally, I don’t think you have to endorse everything your “allies” do to work together on a discrete issue.[/quote]

That’s exactly how millions of Trump supporters justified their votes.

And FWIW, I’m not standing next to anyone, except fellow moderates who deplore the extremism, bigotry and hate from these protesters (and many posters here).

I’m not protesting in the streets in support of the IDF. Haven’t terrorized any Palestinians or called for their ethnic cleansing. Not gonna tear down posters.

In short, I’m going to behave with humanity and respect.

But you do you. Just don’t be so surprised when most Americans are repelled by your behavior. You’ve made your own bed.

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DP If you support Israel you support extremism. The reason this woman was removed was because she would not release the names of Palestinian or Muslims students on campus. These people and you wanted the names of these students so an example could be made. It is not enough for the likes of you just to kill the Palestinians in Gaza. You must target and hunt them down everywhere while hiding behind some moral constructions that you are a good person. Truly disgusting. How can someone like you behave with humanity and respect? You have no idea what it is.
Americans have already started to turn their backs on Israel. The israel lobby has for the past decade has moved hard right. Now only republicans support Israel but you have to ask for how long? On every issue similar to israel the republicans base is on the other side of the issue.
Biden is the last president who will be pro Israel. Biden was down 15% with dems and 5% with independents two months ago because of his embrace of Israel and Netanyahu. I have seen the internal polls from the past week and it’s a nightmare. 45% dems and 25% of independents(who voted for Biden) will not vote for him now because of Israel. This sh#t with the university presidents will only drive these numbers up. It will also feed the true antisemitic with conspiracy of Jewish control of the media, politicians, Wall Street, Ivy League and the media.

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[quote=Anonymous]That’s exactly how millions of Trump supporters justified their votes.

And FWIW, I’m not standing next to anyone, except fellow moderates who deplore the extremism, bigotry and hate from these protesters (and many posters here).

I’m not protesting in the streets in support of the IDF. Haven’t terrorized any Palestinians or called for their ethnic cleansing. Not gonna tear down posters.

In short, I’m going to behave with humanity and respect.

But you do you. Just don’t be so surprised when most Americans are repelled by your behavior. You’ve made your own bed.

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It’s so weird how you assume all sorts of things about my political positions. Repelled by what behavior? By not ascribing genocidal motivations to all pro-Palestinian protestors because some of their allies are nuts? I’m not out there protesting with them, don’t really agree with them, and I could describe myself the same way you describe yourself - as a moderate. I’ll enjoy that bed, thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to pstop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

It calls for killing some of the Jews then per your statement

It’s not the words, it’s the hypocrisy. These “leaders” have for a long time tolerated intolerant speech by some and allowing it by others to kowtow to the politically correct and woke crowd. I want to thank them for giving the right another talking point.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to pstop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

It calls for killing some of the Jews then per your statement

It’s not the words, it’s the hypocrisy. These “leaders” have for a long time tolerated intolerant speech by some and allowing it by others to kowtow to the politically correct and woke crowd. I want to thank them for giving the right another talking point.

Yep. I’m pretty liberal and feel like I’m a waking up to it and have given plenty of fodder for the right. At the same time, I abhor what DeSantis is doing to educational institutions in Florida. If that’s the idea if reforms, then it’s deeply misguided.

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Anonymous wrote:Pathetic on the part of the university presidents. It is hard to believe that the words uttered by some of these protesters do not violate the universities' policies WRT intimidation and bullying.
Their responses sounded like they spent too much time consulting with university legal counsel instead of using common sense and truth.

Even those on the left agree:

QThis is so misleading, nobody supports the words “genocide of Jews”, Stefanik ‘s actual question was that Intifada and River to the Sea translates to genocide of Jews and that’s an incorrect interpretation. Stefanik as always is vile and despicable.

Uh, yes they do. It’s called Hamas and it calls for the killing of Jews as part of its
Charter. And this is the group that Israel is trying to protect itself from and that all of the anti-Israel crew are cheering for. Stop the gaslighting.

That poster obviously meant that no one *on their campuses* had been chanting with those words. And don’t start with intifada or river-to-the-sea. The hypo used the words “genocide of Jews” on purpose to make it as outrageous as possible.

Yeah, I’ll start with the facts that from the river to the sea is about annihilating Isreal and is absolutely about eradicating Jews from the region. Something that groups in the region have tried for decades - predating Israel by centuries. Jews are indigenous to that region.

so stop gaslighting. We all know what these anti-Israel chants are about. The dog whistles. We get it. Never thought in million years I’d agree with Elise Stefanik on anything ever. But on this, I do.

The fact you started with is wrong. From the river to the sea does not mean annihilating Israel. It just means the Palestinians want to return to their ancestral homes that were stolen from them.

Do you even know what gaslighting means? Seems like you are really struggling with its definition.

We all know this we all know that. What DO you know other than claiming that anyone speaking up for the humanity of Palestinians is an anti Semite. You know nothing Jon Snow.

Yes. You are gaslighting. River to the sea is about eradicating Israel. Stop deflecting, stop pretending, just stop.

The same people who were silent or even openly joyous at the devastation of 10/7, who couldn’t even bring themselves to express concern or condemn Hamas, who held up swastikas and and called Jews colonizers, who openly delighted in Hamas’ “resistance” and who defend those tearing down hostage posters, want us to think that there’s no anti semitism and river to the sea is just some ordinary tune. We know what it means.

So stop gaslighting and stop defending / denying antisemitism. Those of us who’ve experienced it, know what antisemitism is. Always ridiculous telling people who experience bigotry because of their religion or color that they don’t know what that bigotry is.

YOU are doing just that “ridiculous” thing when you dismiss Palestinians and put words in pro-Palestinian protestors’ mouths.

Because the pro Palestinian folks speak in code and say offensive and anti Semitic things in sneaky ways, to have the effect of deniability while their meaning is clear.

Okay so you’re a mind reader and are de-coding those “sneaky” people! You sound just like anti-Semites talking about the conspiracies of the “clever” Jews.

Or… plenty of protesters are voicing legitimate grievances and dismissing them all as bent on the annihilation of Jews makes you look nuts.

DP.

Plenty of protesters ARE voicing legitimate grievances.

The problem is that they’re allying themselves with people callling for the elimination of Israel, celebrating Hamas, etc.

It’s an exact parallel to Trump voters. You might not be a racist, but look at who’s standing next to you.

Reminds me of a funny meme from years ago. Trump is saying “I love air!” And in the next pic the libs all have plastic bags over their heads.

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Anonymous wrote:It is amazing that a person who never showed throughout her career any antisemitism was attacked and removed based on these false accusations. She should have made the university fire her. She could have sued and exposed these people.

We all know the people behind these attacks have an agenda. One is to increase Jewish attendance percentages at these schools. Right now UPenn has 16% self identified jewish students which is down from a few decades ago when it was 1/3. One of the donors said he would like to see UPenn have at a minimum 30% Jewish students.

I guess who every the new president is will have to be a pro israel, anti Palestinian and Jewish. They will also have to agree to have 30% jewish students body. I bet there will be something about forcing out muslims and Palestinians with support for the settlers.

I would hate to be a Palestinian or Muslim at any of these universities. These people will target them.

Do you really think she is so dumb that she did not consult at least several lawyers before resigning?

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Weird. I thought right wingers were supposedly opposed to cancel culture. I thought right wingers were supposed to not care about political correctness or language policing. I thought they were all about free speech and "fck your feelings" and if you didn't like what someone said, you were a snowflake.

Yet now it is THEY who are the ones policing language, THEY are the snowflakes with hurt feelings, THEY are the ones going around canceling people.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. I thought right wingers were supposedly opposed to cancel culture. I thought right wingers were supposed to not care about political correctness or language policing. I thought they were all about free speech and "fck your feelings" and if you didn't like what someone said, you were a snowflake.

Yet now it is THEY who are the ones policing language, THEY are the snowflakes with hurt feelings, THEY are the ones going around canceling people.

If that’s what you’re getting out of this you completely missed the point

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. I thought right wingers were supposedly opposed to cancel culture. I thought right wingers were supposed to not care about political correctness or language policing. I thought they were all about free speech and "fck your feelings" and if you didn't like what someone said, you were a snowflake.

Yet now it is THEY who are the ones policing language, THEY are the snowflakes with hurt feelings, THEY are the ones going around canceling people.

Plenty of hypocrisy to go around, but it’s very clearly the left that got caught with its pants down here.

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Anonymous wrote:It is amazing that a person who never showed throughout her career any antisemitism was attacked and removed based on these false accusations. She should have made the university fire her. She could have sued and exposed these people.

We all know the people behind these attacks have an agenda. One is to increase Jewish attendance percentages at these schools. Right now UPenn has 16% self identified jewish students which is down from a few decades ago when it was 1/3. One of the donors said he would like to see UPenn have at a minimum 30% Jewish students.

I guess who every the new president is will have to be a pro israel, anti Palestinian and Jewish. They will also have to agree to have 30% jewish students body. I bet there will be something about forcing out muslims and Palestinians with support for the settlers.

I would hate to be a Palestinian or Muslim at any of these universities. These people will target them.

Do you really think she is so dumb that she did not consult at least several lawyers before resigning?

She is a lawyer. She was the Law School Dean at Stanford and also a Law School Professor.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting that antisemitism is the line for folks. But other hate speech is ignored and even argued as protected by the first amendment!

I don’t for a moment believe that this is about antisemitism or that the supporters of the backlash against certain universities care about Jews or Israel. The right has been attacking what they perceive as elitist Ivy League institutions for some time, and this situation has given them an opening to lash out at those institutions under the guise of caring about hate speech against Jews. I don’t remember them getting this riled up when synagogues have been attacked.

Her testimony was a disaster and it was a disaster because she went in arrogant and unprepared. This is her own fault.

Actually the reports are that Penn paid a lot of money to WilmerHale to prep her so seems like it’s a lot their fault. Don’t recall Hill testimony that has gone worse— almost hard to believe she was prepped at all.

Just because one pays a law firm doesn’t mean that one listens to the advice from that firm. I suspect they tried to advise and the president in her arrogance wouldn’t listen.

All of them stumbled on what should have been softballs. That’s arrogance, pure and simple.

I rather suspect the opposite: the law firm prepped her with legally correct answers rather than politically astute or morally decent ones.

Typical corporate lawyers.

No, I don’t think so. That law firm does all sorts of intense witness prep regularly. They prep witnesses facing much harder questioning than these three did and who perform much better. I suspect that it was the presidents who didn’t listen more than the advisers themselves.

But I suppose we will never know.

She responded like a lawyer. I didn’t know she had lawyers prepping her, but it showed in her answers. All of them actually. They were working very hard to not answer the questions being asked. It was so messed up and disturbing. I’d prefer to think that it was the result of being prepped by lawyers than to think it was a reflection on their actual thoughts on the subject.

Former President Magill is a lawyer. She was Dean of the Law School at Stanford. She was also a law professor at Stanford.

Her smirking and cockiness was her downfall. Her downfall started when Penn hosted the Palestine (Hamas) writers festival and President Magill was dismissive of Jewish concerns.

She has plenty of time to think about it while teaching 1L's legal writing now.

Oh plenty of people will think about this. A woman who has no history of antisemitism was run out of town by the Jews calling her antisemitic. There will be backlash.
I bet every Muslim, black and other religion will be targeted by the new pro Israel president. Wonder what percentage increase in Jewish admissions will be dictated to the new president?

DP. The point is that NO ONE should be targeted, you moron. These (ex)presidents seem to think Jews being targeted is all just fun and games, no biggie.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. I thought right wingers were supposedly opposed to cancel culture. I thought right wingers were supposed to not care about political correctness or language policing. I thought they were all about free speech and "fck your feelings" and if you didn't like what someone said, you were a snowflake.

Yet now it is THEY who are the ones policing language, THEY are the snowflakes with hurt feelings, THEY are the ones going around canceling people.

Plenty of hypocrisy to go around, but it’s very clearly the left that got caught with its pants down here.

+100
The PP seems to have zero grasp on what is actually going on here. No surprise there.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. I thought right wingers were supposedly opposed to cancel culture. I thought right wingers were supposed to not care about political correctness or language policing. I thought they were all about free speech and "fck your feelings" and if you didn't like what someone said, you were a snowflake.

Yet now it is THEY who are the ones policing language, THEY are the snowflakes with hurt feelings, THEY are the ones going around canceling people.

Aww. You're just sad that you can't be an antisemite in pubic anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:From the river to the sea is not a call for genocide. How dare you all impart meaning to a slogan that you didn’t create. From the river to the sea means Palestine should be free of Israeli occupation and allowed to live with dignity where they don’t have to go through checkpoints or beg for access to more food and water. The fact that you are giving it a meaning shows you are relying on racist and islamophobia to show that Palestinians always have a violent intent.

It’s so tragic that there is an actual genocide taking place where 17,000 civilians have been killed. The Israeli occupied forces can still not say how many Hamas members they have actually killed. They are busy carpet binging the entire place and constraining Palestinians in an extremely small piece of land. Does this remind you of something? A lot akin to concentration camps! There are actual children being mercilessly killed and all you imbeciles are clutching your pearls and screaming students protesting for Palestinian rights are anti Semitic. You all make me sick. It’s true when they say the Zionists really have this misconception that they are superior than other races. That is why they show no regard to other ethnicities and show no remorse in bombing them. They are truly vile people.

I know, right?! So tragic - yet no words of sorrow from you about the thousands of Israelis who were raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered by Hamas on Oct. 7. You do realize that's why Israel retaliated in the first place, right? Right?? How dare YOU.