SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if schools like Harvard rejected black male candidates because admissions staff gave them negative personality scores for things like ‘probably prone to violence’ and ‘most likely to act unruly and without discipline in the classroom’. How outrageous would that be? Of course it’d be despicable to reject a black man for negative personality scores based on racial stereotypes like that. So why should we tolerate that crap but for Asians? And you wonder why Asians are upset when Affirmative Action setup a system where they have to be judged in their personality, which ended up being based on racial stereotypes of their perceived behavior. I can’t believe we even need to discuss this. Affirmative Action should have died a long time ago based on the monstrosity it morphed into. Maybe at first it had merit, but it just ended up becoming a race based system using stereotypes to judge people.

You are just making shit up. No one used an Asian stereotype of personality. They are giving points to students who are engaged in activities and organizations and community causes, as they should. The ability to contribute to group projects and engage with other people is a valuable asset and skill. Plenty of Asian kids are involved in activities and get the deserved boost for it. Antisocial hermits do not contribute as much to a school or to society, no matter their race or test scores.

The personality ranking was completely made up, used as a front to discriminate against asians, and had no basis in reality. Pasting what was posted before:

When comparing applicants with the same level of academic achievement, Asians always had the worst personality scores of any group. The SFFA constructed an index based on Harvard’s academic rating and used it to divide applicants into 10 evenly-sized groups (deciles) based on the strength of their academic performance. Within each of the 10 academic deciles, Asians had the lowest personality scores across all of the racial groups. A perfect 10 for 10.

Within each racial group, high academic performance strongly predicted high personality ratings, but Asians had the lowest average personality rating even though they had the highest average academic rating.

In contrast, Harvard alumni rated Asians similar to whites on personality and better, on average, than Latinos and blacks. But it is the admissions office, not alumni, that ultimately determines Harvard’s personality ratings.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3704542...cult-of-personality/

You don’t understand statistics. The average score is not the score for every member of the group. Some Asians had higher scores, some had average, some had low. They were rated as individuals based on the evidence in their files, not given a default Asian rating. It could just be that some Asians did not promote their personalities and activities and quirks as much as many other applicants did.

Explain how the alumni ranked Asians better in personality than Latinos and Blacks but the admissions office gave those Asians lower rankings.

Explain how it’s not racism without making out hypothetical personal experiences.

I’ll get my popcorn ready.

[Anonymous]

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True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

You just can't let your bigotry go........
You just keep digging.

Agreed.

Please tell people this in real life.

Heck: post it on your Facebook page.

Maybe we’re wrong and you’re not a racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if schools like Harvard rejected black male candidates because admissions staff gave them negative personality scores for things like ‘probably prone to violence’ and ‘most likely to act unruly and without discipline in the classroom’. How outrageous would that be? Of course it’d be despicable to reject a black man for negative personality scores based on racial stereotypes like that. So why should we tolerate that crap but for Asians? And you wonder why Asians are upset when Affirmative Action setup a system where they have to be judged in their personality, which ended up being based on racial stereotypes of their perceived behavior. I can’t believe we even need to discuss this. Affirmative Action should have died a long time ago based on the monstrosity it morphed into. Maybe at first it had merit, but it just ended up becoming a race based system using stereotypes to judge people.

You are just making shit up. No one used an Asian stereotype of personality. They are giving points to students who are engaged in activities and organizations and community causes, as they should. The ability to contribute to group projects and engage with other people is a valuable asset and skill. Plenty of Asian kids are involved in activities and get the deserved boost for it. Antisocial hermits do not contribute as much to a school or to society, no matter their race or test scores.

The personality ranking was completely made up, used as a front to discriminate against asians, and had no basis in reality. Pasting what was posted before:

When comparing applicants with the same level of academic achievement, Asians always had the worst personality scores of any group. The SFFA constructed an index based on Harvard’s academic rating and used it to divide applicants into 10 evenly-sized groups (deciles) based on the strength of their academic performance. Within each of the 10 academic deciles, Asians had the lowest personality scores across all of the racial groups. A perfect 10 for 10.

Within each racial group, high academic performance strongly predicted high personality ratings, but Asians had the lowest average personality rating even though they had the highest average academic rating.

In contrast, Harvard alumni rated Asians similar to whites on personality and better, on average, than Latinos and blacks. But it is the admissions office, not alumni, that ultimately determines Harvard’s personality ratings.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3704542...cult-of-personality/

You don’t understand statistics. The average score is not the score for every member of the group. Some Asians had higher scores, some had average, some had low. They were rated as individuals based on the evidence in their files, not given a default Asian rating. It could just be that some Asians did not promote their personalities and activities and quirks as much as many other applicants did.

And every other racial group did? If I remember correctly the plaintiffs showed Asians scored higher on extracurriculars as well.

[Anonymous]

Colleges want to be elite (above all else) and diverse. Remember: rich white people always make sure they get the biggest slices of pie.

[Anonymous]

This is bad news for all the whites and Asians who mark African American or Hispanic on their application.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

That still using race.

Lawsuits will fly.

It’s not. And top schools don’t require standardized tests now so good luck proving anything

Sounds like you are fine with continuing discrimination based on race and college getting away with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

It’s not stereotype. This what I see in Asian families in DC’s school. It’s true. Admit it.

DC’s Indian friend jokes they have four options - to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer or an embarrassment to their family.

You are promoting a stereotype based on your interactions with ONE kid.
And, you are making assumptions based on what you "see" in your kid's school.
Ever stop to think that you might be missing something because of your bigotry?

Who said ONE kid? DC’s school is at least 25% Asian. I’ve seen a lot of them, trust me and I know their families and I know what they do and how they do it.

[Anonymous]

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So the Asian kids that won the Google doodle awards are not creative or think outside of the box?

Got it.

They probably won because their uncle works at Google.

[Anonymous]

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So the Asian kids that won the Google doodle awards are not creative or think outside of the box?

Got it.

They probably won because their uncle works at Google.

Um…. You’ve never applied for a scholarship, ever, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

And you must be the athletic, creative, ADHD salesman type who couldn't test well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when Asians were (and some still are) the beneficiaries of affirmative action. Oh how soon we forget from whence we came. I can't wait for my popcorn-eating moment when Asian Americans realize they've been conned into believing their own hype.

Good luck with that.

Affirmative action was banned twice (most recently in 2020) in California and Asians make up the majority of the people in college in California.

But nice try racist.

Yes, that's why they are such a powerful group.

[Anonymous]

Students needed bonus points to get in because of their race. This implies they are less capable as the ones who got in or at least scored less by their metrics, otherwise they would not have needed the bonus points.
The evidence shows it was not just a plus factor between two equal candidates, but a large difference.
It is reasonable to include that this group will have a harder time at the college that admitted the lower caliber group.
The alternative is to conclude that the college's evaluation process in admissions is flawed to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

It’s not stereotype. This what I see in Asian families in DC’s school. It’s true. Admit it.

DC’s Indian friend jokes they have four options - to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer or an embarrassment to their family.

You are promoting a stereotype based on your interactions with ONE kid.
And, you are making assumptions based on what you "see" in your kid's school.
Ever stop to think that you might be missing something because of your bigotry?

Who said ONE kid? DC’s school is at least 25% Asian. I’ve seen a lot of them, trust me and I know their families and I know what they do and how they do it.

And you can’t? Or just won’t? Because you don’t think you should have to, right?

Because your precious snowflake shouldn’t have to work hard… like ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

And you must be the athletic, creative, ADHD salesman type who couldn't test well.

I dunno. They kinda sound like the myopic, can only do one thing at a time, who struggles with basic interpersonal skills and still hasn’t been promoted to management yet, type.

[Anonymous]

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And you can’t? Or just won’t? Because you don’t think you should have to, right?

Because your precious snowflake shouldn’t have to work hard… like ever.

Because I’m raising a person with character, not a sheep who can test well.