SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when Asians were (and some still are) the beneficiaries of affirmative action. Oh how soon we forget from whence we came. I can't wait for my popcorn-eating moment when Asian Americans realize they've been conned into believing their own hype.

Good luck with that.

Affirmative action was banned twice (most recently in 2020) in California and Asians make up the majority of the people in college in California.

But nice try racist.

Yes, that's why they are such a powerful group.

*cough*. Latinos like it too. They make up the second largest racial cohort in California.

But you would know that if you weren’t a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Students needed bonus points to get in because of their race. This implies they are less capable as the ones who got in or at least scored less by their metrics, otherwise they would not have needed the bonus points.
The evidence shows it was not just a plus factor between two equal candidates, but a large difference.
It is reasonable to include that this group will have a harder time at the college that admitted the lower caliber group.
The alternative is to conclude that the college's evaluation process in admissions is flawed to begin with.

Google the graduation rate for Black Americans attending Harvard University.
Harvard is not scraping the bottom of the barrel to find qualified black applicants who won't succeed. Your ignorance is loud and disturbing.

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True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

And you must be the athletic, creative, ADHD salesman type who couldn't test well.

I dunno. They kinda sound like the myopic, can only do one thing at a time, who struggles with basic interpersonal skills and still hasn’t been promoted to management yet, type.

+1 PP here. Definitely a possibility.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

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Maybe people should be more upset with the poor education that too many black and brown kids get in K-12 schools.
The expectations are low, the rigor isn't there, and underachieving kids just keep getting passed up the grades despite not meeting standards.
More needs to be done to help minority students achieve long before they reach college age.

I am upset by this. But what's to be done? You can't have a Geoffrey Canada running a Harlem Children's Zone in every city and town in this country. The money and political will just isn't there. You need engaged parents, high standards AND accountability. A single parent working two jobs with no idea how the system works is just going to perpetuate these cycles of poverty (with, of course, those newsworthy exceptions). Unless you're willing to support radical redistribution of wealth and a big interventionist social safety net, then wringing your hands over this is nothing but virtue signaling.

And you think UMC parents are going to give up their property tax dollars so that their kids can be bussed or have to engage in a random lottery for coveted spots in good public schools? No, the incentives are too strong to play the system to your kids' advantages, whatever those are. Whether it's intensive parenting, buying a high priced home in a "good school district" or paying for private school, leveraging connections or legacy admissions or concerted cultivation of elite sports or extra curricular activities. With inequality being what it is, there's too much of a zero game out there not to do this.

Or, as I learned long ago, "“Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

This is one of about a hundred bad effects of federalism. We let state and local governments run public education and they historically discriminated in housing, education, and every other damn thing. Affluent neighborhoods that have the best schools also generally had covenants against Black home ownership. White flight was all about creating white suburbs with white schools. The business establishment put their money and influence into funding suburbs and suburban public schools and private schools for rich city kids and abandoned support for public schools in majority-Black areas. The private schools were not all white, they skimmed off the top Black athletes and a few well-connected Black students. That set up a cycle in which the Black students who do well despite the odds are encouraged and incentivized to leave the Black neighborhoods and Black schools for suburbs or privates. So those schools and neighborhoods do not get any of the benefits of their successes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

They will try to do a Barbrand? And the lawsuits will continue.

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And you can’t? Or just won’t? Because you don’t think you should have to, right?

Because your precious snowflake shouldn’t have to work hard… like ever.

Because I’m raising a person with character, not a sheep who can test well.

So… are you calling Asians sheep?

Because you should totally post that on your Facebook mom group.

It will be chefs kiss.

Agree. The comment you responded to expressed racism toward Asian students.

Yep.

I hope they do post that on their non-anonymous accounts. They obvious don’t think they are racist so why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

If the admission system is race-blind and based on demonstrated academic achievement, I will “start feeling” (as you put it) the system is finally fair.

If my white child is not admitted, I will assume other students simply demonstrated superior academic performance. And that would be fair. Fine with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

They will try to do a Barbrand? And the lawsuits will continue.

What is a "Barbrand"?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

They will try to do a Barbrand? And the lawsuits will continue.

What is a "Barbrand"?

DP. That respondent obviously meant to write “Brabrand” - as in Dr Brabrand, the former FFX superintendent who lead the alterations to the TJ admissions policy because TJ’s prior admissions lead to 80% Asian student body.

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I'm black American and a product of affirmative action. I was chosen for my potential not because of my test scores. I am forever grateful for the opportunity. That said, I have no problem with the ruling. Race should not be a deciding factor. We are focusing on the wrong damn thing - Asian parents and kids are not the problem! Harvard's race-based discrimination was a solution to a problem that has nothing to do with Harvard. We are deflecting away from the fact that there are systemic inequalities in our public school systems that make it hard for most kids (regardless of skin color!) to succeed. Asians (and other groups - Nigerians) succeed because they've figured out that you can't rely on the shi**y school systems to prepare their kids for higher education and life. It's not a damn mystery why they are successful. We are crabs in a barrel fighting to escape while pulling each other down.

Ps. Stop peddling racist stereotypes that Asians have no personality!

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Here’s the thing…
What makes Harvard so extraordinary? Sure it’s a wonderful school and your student will definitely get a good education, but why are people so obsessed with getting into HYP?
It’s about the future connections. It might not pan out for every student, but it’s worth it for more than a few.
Lots of snide comments about “legacy” admits, but let’s get real. Those are the exact kids you are hoping to form a bond. It’s those interpersonal relationships that pay off in the end.
I suspect that if the gate keepers children aren’t given their due, the gates will move elsewhere. It’s a club and you ain’t in it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

They will try to do a Barbrand? And the lawsuits will continue.

What is a "Barbrand"?

DP. That respondent obviously meant to write “Brabrand” - as in Dr Brabrand, the former FFX superintendent who lead the alterations to the TJ admissions policy because TJ’s prior admissions lead to 80% Asian student body.

Thanks, PP. I hadn't followed the TJ admissions process issue at all but just read up on it. Now I understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen if/when whites at the Ivy Leagues start feeling that they are being edged out by Asians in regard to admissions.

You think Asians are suddenly going to be top lax and squash players?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm black American and a product of affirmative action. I was chosen for my potential not because of my test scores. I am forever grateful for the opportunity. That said, I have no problem with the ruling. Race should not be a deciding factor. We are focusing on the wrong damn thing - Asian parents and kids are not the problem! Harvard's race-based discrimination was a solution to a problem that has nothing to do with Harvard. We are deflecting away from the fact that there are systemic inequalities in our public school systems that make it hard for most kids (regardless of skin color!) to succeed. Asians (and other groups - Nigerians) succeed because they've figured out that you can't rely on the shi**y school systems to prepare their kids for higher education and life. It's not a damn mystery why they are successful. We are crabs in a barrel fighting to escape while pulling each other down.

Ps. Stop peddling racist stereotypes that Asians have no personality!

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