SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Omg.

You don’t even want people getting in with hard work and talent. You want them to grift through life.

Asians are getting in with higher scores and more extracurriculars because you didn’t want us there to begin with. Kinda like what the Jews dealt with. So it didn’t start with us- there was always a quota, always racism that we figured out how to overcome. And then…. When that wasn’t enough, they lowered the bar for everyone but us.

That is racism. That’s discrimination.

There are 100 Indian kids with perfect test scores who play violin and tennis. Only 20 of them get in. And now you scream about discrimination.

The schools are now interested in other qualities. Times have changed. Accept the fact that test prep + violin + tennis package doesn’t work any more.

Maybe if colleges paid closer attention to the WHOLE student and not just their race and/or ethnicity, they would find that these kids have done a hell of a lot more than aced tests, played tennis, and played violin. They would find that they also volunteer at local shelters and tutor other kids and join clubs and organizations at school, and go to camp in the summer and meet up with friends at the mall, and do a variety of other things that make them...... normal kids.
But, the colleges have a strict allotment of 20%, so they don't pay attention to the fact that these kids are normal, yet high achieving kids.
And, neither do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

There is income restricted housing in the best zip codes and kids go to the very good neighborhood schools. The only proxy will be the essays.

[Anonymous]

I remember when Asians were (and some still are) the beneficiaries of affirmative action. Oh how soon we forget from whence we came. I can't wait for my popcorn-eating moment when Asian Americans realize they've been conned into believing their own hype.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

It’s not stereotype. This what I see in Asian families in DC’s school. It’s true. Admit it.

DC’s Indian friend jokes they have four options - to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer or an embarrassment to their family.

So they know you are a racist and they mask so that you can stay in your bubble.

But also- you know that they make that joke because it’s a painful racist reality that they have to deal with because of the racism in this country, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

There is income restricted housing in the best zip codes and kids go to the very good neighborhood schools. The only proxy will be the essays.

Lol. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember when Asians were (and some still are) the beneficiaries of affirmative action. Oh how soon we forget from whence we came. I can't wait for my popcorn-eating moment when Asian Americans realize they've been conned into believing their own hype.

Good luck with that.

Affirmative action was banned twice (most recently in 2020) in California and Asians make up the majority of the people in college in California.

But nice try racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

Take the L, pp and move on. Or, should I say take the "B" for "bigot."
You believe that people who excel (and are of a certain ethnicity - you don't say this, but we know who you are talking about) spend all their time studying and doing rote worksheets and are precluded from playing with others. You think these kids are forced into certain occupations by their parents. And, as a result, they are "plain" people.

You are pushing a stereotype that is totally false. I just have to wonder how many of these kids you know.

It’s not stereotype. This what I see in Asian families in DC’s school. It’s true. Admit it.

DC’s Indian friend jokes they have four options - to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer or an embarrassment to their family.

You are promoting a stereotype based on your interactions with ONE kid.
And, you are making assumptions based on what you "see" in your kid's school.
Ever stop to think that you might be missing something because of your bigotry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

So the Asian kids that won the Google doodle awards are not creative or think outside of the box?

Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Omg.

You don’t even want people getting in with hard work and talent. You want them to grift through life.

Asians are getting in with higher scores and more extracurriculars because you didn’t want us there to begin with. Kinda like what the Jews dealt with. So it didn’t start with us- there was always a quota, always racism that we figured out how to overcome. And then…. When that wasn’t enough, they lowered the bar for everyone but us.

That is racism. That’s discrimination.

There are 100 Indian kids with perfect test scores who play violin and tennis. Only 20 of them get in. And now you scream about discrimination.

The schools are now interested in other qualities. Times have changed. Accept the fact that test prep + violin + tennis package doesn’t work any more.

Maybe if colleges paid closer attention to the WHOLE student and not just their race and/or ethnicity, they would find that these kids have done a hell of a lot more than aced tests, played tennis, and played violin. They would find that they also volunteer at local shelters and tutor other kids and join clubs and organizations at school, and go to camp in the summer and meet up with friends at the mall, and do a variety of other things that make them...... normal kids.
But, the colleges have a strict allotment of 20%, so they don't pay attention to the fact that these kids are normal, yet high achieving kids.
And, neither do you.

+1

The anti Asian racists abound here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe people should be more upset with the poor education that too many black and brown kids get in K-12 schools.
The expectations are low, the rigor isn't there, and underachieving kids just keep getting passed up the grades despite not meeting standards.
More needs to be done to help minority students achieve long before they reach college age.

I am upset by this. But what's to be done? You can't have a Geoffrey Canada running a Harlem Children's Zone in every city and town in this country. The money and political will just isn't there. You need engaged parents, high standards AND accountability. A single parent working two jobs with no idea how the system works is just going to perpetuate these cycles of poverty (with, of course, those newsworthy exceptions). Unless you're willing to support radical redistribution of wealth and a big interventionist social safety net, then wringing your hands over this is nothing but virtue signaling.

And you think UMC parents are going to give up their property tax dollars so that their kids can be bussed or have to engage in a random lottery for coveted spots in good public schools? No, the incentives are too strong to play the system to your kids' advantages, whatever those are. Whether it's intensive parenting, buying a high priced home in a "good school district" or paying for private school, leveraging connections or legacy admissions or concerted cultivation of elite sports or extra curricular activities. With inequality being what it is, there's too much of a zero game out there not to do this.

Or, as I learned long ago, "“Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if schools like Harvard rejected black male candidates because admissions staff gave them negative personality scores for things like ‘probably prone to violence’ and ‘most likely to act unruly and without discipline in the classroom’. How outrageous would that be? Of course it’d be despicable to reject a black man for negative personality scores based on racial stereotypes like that. So why should we tolerate that crap but for Asians? And you wonder why Asians are upset when Affirmative Action setup a system where they have to be judged in their personality, which ended up being based on racial stereotypes of their perceived behavior. I can’t believe we even need to discuss this. Affirmative Action should have died a long time ago based on the monstrosity it morphed into. Maybe at first it had merit, but it just ended up becoming a race based system using stereotypes to judge people.

You are just making shit up. No one used an Asian stereotype of personality. They are giving points to students who are engaged in activities and organizations and community causes, as they should. The ability to contribute to group projects and engage with other people is a valuable asset and skill. Plenty of Asian kids are involved in activities and get the deserved boost for it. Antisocial hermits do not contribute as much to a school or to society, no matter their race or test scores.

The personality ranking was completely made up, used as a front to discriminate against asians, and had no basis in reality. Pasting what was posted before:

When comparing applicants with the same level of academic achievement, Asians always had the worst personality scores of any group. The SFFA constructed an index based on Harvard’s academic rating and used it to divide applicants into 10 evenly-sized groups (deciles) based on the strength of their academic performance. Within each of the 10 academic deciles, Asians had the lowest personality scores across all of the racial groups. A perfect 10 for 10.

Within each racial group, high academic performance strongly predicted high personality ratings, but Asians had the lowest average personality rating even though they had the highest average academic rating.

In contrast, Harvard alumni rated Asians similar to whites on personality and better, on average, than Latinos and blacks. But it is the admissions office, not alumni, that ultimately determines Harvard’s personality ratings.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3704542...cult-of-personality/

You don’t understand statistics. The average score is not the score for every member of the group. Some Asians had higher scores, some had average, some had low. They were rated as individuals based on the evidence in their files, not given a default Asian rating. It could just be that some Asians did not promote their personalities and activities and quirks as much as many other applicants did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.

This research was published in a PUP book called No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life by Thomas J. Espenshade & Alexandria Walton Radford (a free excerpt here: http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9072.pdf)

White people should view asians as more of a threat to their kids' chances of getting into an elite college than blacks and hispanics. I would say be careful what you wish for, but unfortunately for them, it's too late.

Please tell us why you say this. Put your cards on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
True. And we have adjusted our methods to make sure we are completely white washed to erase our culture to adjust for your racist views.

Asian kids play sports. They volunteer and start businesses. They also learn non-Asian rare languages and take geometry in 7th grade but also take art. They get involved in politics and take internships at the White House.

You think we are all the same.

And that’s why we have are getting into college in spite of your racism.

You can replace variables in this equation, but it doesn’t change the core truth - these are kids who were pushed, prepped and packaged by their parents and had zero opportunity to find themselves and self realization.

These people don’t think outside the box and are not creative.

You just can't let your bigotry go........
You just keep digging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe people should be more upset with the poor education that too many black and brown kids get in K-12 schools.
The expectations are low, the rigor isn't there, and underachieving kids just keep getting passed up the grades despite not meeting standards.
More needs to be done to help minority students achieve long before they reach college age.

And instead homework is not graded, test retakes for low scores, etc., all in the name of equity.