Prince Harry’s book

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

Would it have been so hard for the BRF to have accommodated Harry? It could have been win-win for everyone. He understandably didn’t want to hang around till William got to the throne and he was kicked aside.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

Would it have been so hard for the BRF to have accommodated Harry? It could have been win-win for everyone. He understandably didn’t want to hang around till William got to the throne and he was kicked aside.

Accommodated him? Yes, they tried. Let him go off and promote his own brand, in the UK using his royal title? No, that would be a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree with any of what H and M are saying. I think what many Americans find surprising is that it’s such an obviously f—Ed up institution that it seems odd for Megan who willingly joined it and seemed to enjoy some of the benefits of it to then say “wait — this is f—Ed up.” I had the same thought about Diana but I gave her a little more slack because she was so young.
Harry just strikes me as such a sad situation because he grew up in that and just seems to both hate it but also be pretty captured by it. And like many people who come from a dysfunctional family, he can’t really figure out a way to live within that family with boundaries. I think at some point he may regret the way that he’s torching his family relationship but, sadly, unlike many people with disfunctional families, he never really can be free of them.

I think she was expecting a different family dynamic and, for certain, one in which there weren't popularity rules. By the time she realized it and how they were both being thrown to the wolves, they were already married. The book was clear that Harry was looking for a compromise but The Firm wasn't interested.

I come from a highly dysfunctional family. I don't think Harry will regret his book. I think he will grieve that his family was so dysfunctional that he felt compelled to have his voice amplified. I think he's still in the early phases of his recovery and desperately wants his family to see what he sees. Sadly, it's unlikely they ever will.

I mean, there was a reason his family was telling him to move slowly with this relationship.

Him, yes. Her no. How could she have known what it would be like? It defies the imagination of a normal person.

NP but I would argue she isn’t a normal person. She was in Hollywood and friends with some very famous people before meeting Harry. She is more savvy to his world than an actual normal person.

Had you read the book, you'd know that even Hollywood types were astounded by the unrelenting hounding and the lengths the paps went to get their shot. Tyler Perry didn't even know them and offered them his home. Had you read the book, you'd know why.

And again normal people aren’t just offered mansions by famous people . I’m not saying she wasn’t surprised or overwhelmed by the lifestyle, but it isn’t the same as a normal person as a PP stated.

Read the book.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

Would it have been so hard for the BRF to have accommodated Harry? It could have been win-win for everyone. He understandably didn’t want to hang around till William got to the throne and he was kicked aside.

Accommodated him? Yes, they tried. Let him go off and promote his own brand, in the UK using his royal title? No, that would be a problem.

Why do people who haven't read the book continue to post? Had you read the book, you'd know the BRF was unwilling to work Harry on this. Read the f'ing book!

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I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

I’m sorry, but you’re lying. NP to this thread. I’ve read it. Harry is dishonest. The specific branding and monetization he and Meghan sought had never been done by others nor approved by others. It’s simply not true.

The way he treated Pat in print to me is the clearest indicator of what a rotten soul he has. I felt such pity for the public face he put on after losing his mom. He has utterly no empathy for others, and it’s revolting. YMMV.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

I’m sorry, but you’re lying. NP to this thread. I’ve read it. Harry is dishonest. The specific branding and monetization he and Meghan sought had never been done by others nor approved by others. It’s simply not true.

The way he treated Pat in print to me is the clearest indicator of what a rotten soul he has. I felt such pity for the public face he put on after losing his mom. He has utterly no empathy for others, and it’s revolting. YMMV.

Puh-lease. There has always been 'branding' by the royal family. They didn't seek 'monetization' until they had to pay for their own way. Had you read the book, you'd know how all this came about. You're just regurgitating the BFR proxies and haters.

I have no idea who Pat is.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

I’m sorry, but you’re lying. NP to this thread. I’ve read it. Harry is dishonest. The specific branding and monetization he and Meghan sought had never been done by others nor approved by others. It’s simply not true.

The way he treated Pat in print to me is the clearest indicator of what a rotten soul he has. I felt such pity for the public face he put on after losing his mom. He has utterly no empathy for others, and it’s revolting. YMMV.

Puh-lease. There has always been 'branding' by the royal family. They didn't seek 'monetization' until they had to pay for their own way. Had you read the book, you'd know how all this came about. You're just regurgitating the BFR proxies and haters.

I have no idea who Pat is.

She’s NAMED IN THE BOOK.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

Would it have been so hard for the BRF to have accommodated Harry? It could have been win-win for everyone. He understandably didn’t want to hang around till William got to the throne and he was kicked aside.

Accommodated him? Yes, they tried. Let him go off and promote his own brand, in the UK using his royal title? No, that would be a problem.

Why do people who haven't read the book continue to post? Had you read the book, you'd know the BRF was unwilling to work Harry on this. Read the f'ing book!

This is what HARRY IS SAYING. There is a lot out there that contradicts this. Reading the book doesn't make one an expert especially if one takes everything he says at face value like Spare is the Bible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

I’m sorry, but you’re lying. NP to this thread. I’ve read it. Harry is dishonest. The specific branding and monetization he and Meghan sought had never been done by others nor approved by others. It’s simply not true.

The way he treated Pat in print to me is the clearest indicator of what a rotten soul he has. I felt such pity for the public face he put on after losing his mom. He has utterly no empathy for others, and it’s revolting. YMMV.

Puh-lease. There has always been 'branding' by the royal family. They didn't seek 'monetization' until they had to pay for their own way. Had you read the book, you'd know how all this came about. You're just regurgitating the BFR proxies and haters.

I have no idea who Pat is.

She’s NAMED IN THE BOOK.

And was one of the early leaked anecdotes, so certain posters who haven’t actually read the book cite it so they can pretend they have read the book.

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I'm done with the thread. It started out nice enough with people who have actually read the book. Unfortunately, there are too many posters who have not read it and it's ruined it - again.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the book. Harry’s ideas were not workable for the royal family. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to use his ideas. It means they considered his ideas and rejected them because it is not how the royal family works. They encouraged Haz to forge his own path and pay his own way, and he is having his revenge. It’s beyond sad and spiteful.

Had you read the book, you'd know that it was workable and had been done by others. Had you reach the book, you'd know that Harry was willing to do anything that would allow him to keep his security detail - except maintaining the status quo where they were both full time working royals. The choice the BFR gave him was either keep things the way they are or you are cut off.

I’m sorry, but you’re lying. NP to this thread. I’ve read it. Harry is dishonest. The specific branding and monetization he and Meghan sought had never been done by others nor approved by others. It’s simply not true.

The way he treated Pat in print to me is the clearest indicator of what a rotten soul he has. I felt such pity for the public face he put on after losing his mom. He has utterly no empathy for others, and it’s revolting. YMMV.

DP- You’re right! Harry never marketed or branded gin — like the Queen, or horses — like the Queen, Anne, and Zara; or baked goods like Charles; or cooperated with a biography— like Charles; or wrote books — like Fergie, Princess Michael, and the Duke of Kent; of accepted commercial endorsements like Fergie, Peter, and Zara; or appeared on a reality show like Mike Tindall. So, no, “ the specific branding and monetization that he and Meghan sought” may not have been done or approved (hard to know — without more specifics) but given what has been done, whatever the boundaries of doing so are have included quite a range, from Peter’s milk commercial to the Queen’s own gin.

Your criticisms of a schoolboy as “rotten” and with “utterly no empathy” mirror the tabloids take, so: eh. If that’s your take as well, tennagers in general and most human beings beyond infancy must revolt you quite a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree with any of what H and M are saying. I think what many Americans find surprising is that it’s such an obviously f—Ed up institution that it seems odd for Megan who willingly joined it and seemed to enjoy some of the benefits of it to then say “wait — this is f—Ed up.” I had the same thought about Diana but I gave her a little more slack because she was so young.
Harry just strikes me as such a sad situation because he grew up in that and just seems to both hate it but also be pretty captured by it. And like many people who come from a dysfunctional family, he can’t really figure out a way to live within that family with boundaries. I think at some point he may regret the way that he’s torching his family relationship but, sadly, unlike many people with disfunctional families, he never really can be free of them.

I think she was expecting a different family dynamic and, for certain, one in which there weren't popularity rules. By the time she realized it and how they were both being thrown to the wolves, they were already married. The book was clear that Harry was looking for a compromise but The Firm wasn't interested.

I come from a highly dysfunctional family. I don't think Harry will regret his book. I think he will grieve that his family was so dysfunctional that he felt compelled to have his voice amplified. I think he's still in the early phases of his recovery and desperately wants his family to see what he sees. Sadly, it's unlikely they ever will.

I mean, there was a reason his family was telling him to move slowly with this relationship.

Him, yes. Her no. How could she have known what it would be like? It defies the imagination of a normal person.

NP but I would argue she isn’t a normal person. She was in Hollywood and friends with some very famous people before meeting Harry. She is more savvy to his world than an actual normal person.

Had you read the book, you'd know that even Hollywood types were astounded by the unrelenting hounding and the lengths the paps went to get their shot. Tyler Perry didn't even know them and offered them his home. Had you read the book, you'd know why.

And again normal people aren’t just offered mansions by famous people . I’m not saying she wasn’t surprised or overwhelmed by the lifestyle, but it isn’t the same as a normal person as a PP stated.

Read the book.

DP. This is a discussion forum. You could explain how normal it is for a millionaire to let a normal person stay in their mansion - with or without the eyeroll.

True, it is a discussion forum, and people often discuss their opinions from standpoints of utter ignorance. It isn’t unreasonable though, to have an expectation that people with strong opinions about a book, should have actually read the book, or be open and upfront about basis for their opinions. Just acknowledge that you like the tabloids and get your info from people like Jeremy Clarkson — so everyone can understand what you’re working with — and not. Or state that you watched the mini-series and the Colbert interview, and would like clarification about what’s in the book from people who’ve actually listened to or read it. DDP