Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top

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Anonymous wrote:I think the focus on “wokeness” is silly and over-the-top, but anyone who believes that a female track athlete in many of these private schools could openly express that she considers it unjust that she would have to run against pre-medical-transition trans girls and not face severe repercussions for saying that is absolutely delusional. We all should at least acknowledge that reality.

Well that’s pathetic and a disservice to girls. IMO the only reason transwomen are having such a loud voice in this debate at all is because they are men. The whole thing is form of covert sexism and misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

Absolutely -- Hispanics are our largest minority group, and there's so much ignorance and hate going around every Columbus Day.

Correct. And it’s because there is no history and facts being taught anymore in progressive schools. They teach thematically cherry picked units and out of chrono order. It helps them paint their message and agenda. Covering US history as slavery, interment camps and civil rights events. Not discovery, invention, progress, development, leaders, what else was going on in the world.

So yeah the kids think Columbus invented slavery because they know no world history and get bonked over the head all year with how bad Columbus was.

Exactly this. History is a social justice lesson with the 3 topics mentioned above. All respect to founders is dismissed. There's no pride of country anymore. It's sad. We moved to Catholic school for this reason. Much more reasonable teaching across the board, even allowing for theology class that I don't 100% agree with. It's a lot closer to a real education than anything our previous school was doing. We got tired of $40k tuition for DS to feel like he needed to apologize for his existence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the focus on “wokeness” is silly and over-the-top, but anyone who believes that a female track athlete in many of these private schools could openly express that she considers it unjust that she would have to run against pre-medical-transition trans girls and not face severe repercussions for saying that is absolutely delusional. We all should at least acknowledge that reality.

Well that’s pathetic and a disservice to girls. IMO the only reason transwomen are having such a loud voice in this debate at all is because they are men. The whole thing is form of covert sexism and misogyny.

Agree that real women are the losers here. Who can seriously watch the 6-foot-tall male swimmer who won the national championship last year and not feel like the 2nd place woman was robbed?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the focus on “wokeness” is silly and over-the-top, but anyone who believes that a female track athlete in many of these private schools could openly express that she considers it unjust that she would have to run against pre-medical-transition trans girls and not face severe repercussions for saying that is absolutely delusional. We all should at least acknowledge that reality.

Well that’s pathetic and a disservice to girls. IMO the only reason transwomen are having such a loud voice in this debate at all is because they are men. The whole thing is form of covert sexism and misogyny.

Agree that real women are the losers here. Who can seriously watch the 6-foot-tall male swimmer who won the national championship last year and not feel like the 2nd place woman was robbed?

I thought DC private schools should have schooled you better.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the focus on “wokeness” is silly and over-the-top, but anyone who believes that a female track athlete in many of these private schools could openly express that she considers it unjust that she would have to run against pre-medical-transition trans girls and not face severe repercussions for saying that is absolutely delusional. We all should at least acknowledge that reality.

Well that’s pathetic and a disservice to girls. IMO the only reason transwomen are having such a loud voice in this debate at all is because they are men. The whole thing is form of covert sexism and misogyny.

Agree that real women are the losers here. Who can seriously watch the 6-foot-tall male swimmer who won the national championship last year and not feel like the 2nd place woman was robbed?

I thought DC private schools should have schooled you better.

Please tell me you are joking.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the focus on “wokeness” is silly and over-the-top, but anyone who believes that a female track athlete in many of these private schools could openly express that she considers it unjust that she would have to run against pre-medical-transition trans girls and not face severe repercussions for saying that is absolutely delusional. We all should at least acknowledge that reality.

Well that’s pathetic and a disservice to girls. IMO the only reason transwomen are having such a loud voice in this debate at all is because they are men. The whole thing is form of covert sexism and misogyny.

Agree that real women are the losers here. Who can seriously watch the 6-foot-tall male swimmer who won the national championship last year and not feel like the 2nd place woman was robbed?

If course she was robbed. Men are competitive shocked and will use any available route to win, even if it means competing as a woman when they can twin as a man.

Are women also fiercely competitive? Of course. But they still can’t beat men in mixed sports.

[Anonymous]

We stopped donating to Penn and told them why

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Anonymous wrote:OP here again. Ok people I’m going to peace out! Thanks for the discussion. To the PP who posted about WIS would appreciate it if you could elaborate. Thanks for the discussion. It was fun! I may pop in back to add a few more comments but I feel I’ve been online for a bit too much today lol.

DP: WIS is an amazing DC school but make sure to speak to current parents, especially foreign-born. A couple of years ago I started to hear complaints that the new HOS was trying to turn the school in a more provincial and woke direction, away from IB-centric global roots. I hope the community was able to be heard.

Unfortunately true. These days I sometimes wonder why they have forgotten about the "I" in the school name.

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Anonymous wrote:We stopped donating to Penn and told them why

This is key.

Parents and alumni have a lot of leverage IF we use it to protect Liberal values from the Woke fundamentalists.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Why do I get the sense that you think telling America's history for what it is, a mixture of good, bad, wonderful, and unspeakable acts, is woke? So many conservatives are reeling because the carefully constructed narrative of American exceptionalism that was taught in American high schools for decades, if not centuries, has now been proven to be historically inaccurate and the consequence of political ideology, not earnest attempts to set the historical record?

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

Absolutely -- Hispanics are our largest minority group, and there's so much ignorance and hate going around every Columbus Day.

Correct. And it’s because there is no history and facts being taught anymore in progressive schools. They teach thematically cherry picked units and out of chrono order. It helps them paint their message and agenda. Covering US history as slavery, interment camps and civil rights events. Not discovery, invention, progress, development, leaders, what else was going on in the world.

So yeah the kids think Columbus invented slavery because they know no world history and get bonked over the head all year with how bad Columbus was.

Exactly this. History is a social justice lesson with the 3 topics mentioned above. All respect to founders is dismissed. There's no pride of country anymore. It's sad. We moved to Catholic school for this reason. Much more reasonable teaching across the board, even allowing for theology class that I don't 100% agree with. It's a lot closer to a real education than anything our previous school was doing. We got tired of $40k tuition for DS to feel like he needed to apologize for his existence.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

Absolutely -- Hispanics are our largest minority group, and there's so much ignorance and hate going around every Columbus Day.

Correct. And it’s because there is no history and facts being taught anymore in progressive schools. They teach thematically cherry picked units and out of chrono order. It helps them paint their message and agenda. Covering US history as slavery, interment camps and civil rights events. Not discovery, invention, progress, development, leaders, what else was going on in the world.

So yeah the kids think Columbus invented slavery because they know no world history and get bonked over the head all year with how bad Columbus was.

I can understand wanting context but slavery, internment camps and civil rights events ARE "history and facts", even if they aren't your favorite ones. Any history class has to cherry-pick things to focus on.

[Anonymous]

This thread is devolving into political debate, which is a pity because it was an interesting discussion for awhile. From my perspective it’s hard to dispute that a fair amount of progressive academic orthodoxy has entered elite private schools. However, for generations the orthodoxy was far to the other direction, so it’s not surprising the pendulum has shifted.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

Absolutely -- Hispanics are our largest minority group, and there's so much ignorance and hate going around every Columbus Day.

Correct. And it’s because there is no history and facts being taught anymore in progressive schools. They teach thematically cherry picked units and out of chrono order. It helps them paint their message and agenda. Covering US history as slavery, interment camps and civil rights events. Not discovery, invention, progress, development, leaders, what else was going on in the world.

So yeah the kids think Columbus invented slavery because they know no world history and get bonked over the head all year with how bad Columbus was.

I can understand wanting context but slavery, internment camps and civil rights events ARE "history and facts", even if they aren't your favorite ones. Any history class has to cherry-pick things to focus on.

Funny how the woke moderator allows this post while deleting others debunking it.

I guess adults are not to be trusted to debate the topic any further per Woke Church guidelines.

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Anonymous wrote:I am genuinely shocked about people referring to a melting pot.

I am OLD and even I remember waaaay back in the 80s talking about how the US isn't a melting pot - that was an antiquated and stupid analogy. Instead, we could think of the US as a salad bowl, where every piece retains it's own unique flavors and comes together as one better whole.

I've also read through most of nine pages and have yet to understand exactly what the OP is worried about or what she considers "woke". I get she doesn't like Kendi. OK, fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree about any specific person or idea. But not sure where the lead comes from there to some larger "wokeness" she's concerned about.

It was a melting pot in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s:

You were sent home and told to come back when you knew English. You learned it at home in 3 mos. So did your mom

Everyone played baseball outside in the parks until called in for dinner, in every language.

School spirit and sense of community reigned

Two parent households more common, as was dressing up on weekends.

Then Community broke down and crime spread, suburbs then prospered and places like balto, south side chicago, etc never regained their status or safety or working class.

Wow PP! You make it sound SO idyllic!!! Such a sense of “community”!
Of course much of the country was legally racially segregated with the systematic discrimination that goes along with that, punctuated by occasional lynchings, but, hey: “everyone played baseball.”

And almost 30 pages in, no one thought a post like this was worth a critical comment, or even any comment at all. My country ‘‘tis of thee….

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

I learned all this in middle school Spanish class.

About 95% of Hispanics indentify as white.