TJ Discrimination Case

[Anonymous]

From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

I’m sorry but you need to stop posting because you are just embarrassing yourself and, by extension, others defending the actions of the FCPS School Board. The TJ case hasn’t been “escalated” to the Supreme Court because it is still pending before a lower federal court - the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

And your referring to Dutta as a “crazy Indian appointee” is deeply offensive. Try to do better, although that may not be possible.

[Anonymous]

yup.. OP is right - Dutta keeps bringing up India. Who cares where she is from.

Also, Indian learning is rote learning. Dutta is clueless about what American education system is about..


“ As my kids were in elementary school and middle school and high school, I found the level of education somewhat lacking compared to what I had in India,” Dutta told 7News on Tuesday.

Dutta co-founded Coalition for TJ --- a parent group that believes Thomas Jefferson High School’s relatively new admission process is discriminatory and not based on merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yup.. OP is right - Dutta keeps bringing up India. Who cares where she is from.

Also, Indian learning is rote learning. Dutta is clueless about what American education system is about..


“ As my kids were in elementary school and middle school and high school, I found the level of education somewhat lacking compared to what I had in India,” Dutta told 7News on Tuesday.

Dutta co-founded Coalition for TJ --- a parent group that believes Thomas Jefferson High School’s relatively new admission process is discriminatory and not based on merit.

Many people believe the new admissions process is discriminatory, including a federal judge, and no longer based on merit. Dutta is hardly alone. Perhaps this surprises you because you live in an echo chamber where other views are automatically discounted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yup.. OP is right - Dutta keeps bringing up India. Who cares where she is from.

Also, Indian learning is rote learning. Dutta is clueless about what American education system is about..


“ As my kids were in elementary school and middle school and high school, I found the level of education somewhat lacking compared to what I had in India,” Dutta told 7News on Tuesday.

Dutta co-founded Coalition for TJ --- a parent group that believes Thomas Jefferson High School’s relatively new admission process is discriminatory and not based on merit.

you write like a particularly incoherent 5-year-old. sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yup.. OP is right - Dutta keeps bringing up India. Who cares where she is from.

Also, Indian learning is rote learning. Dutta is clueless about what American education system is about..


“ As my kids were in elementary school and middle school and high school, I found the level of education somewhat lacking compared to what I had in India,” Dutta told 7News on Tuesday.

Dutta co-founded Coalition for TJ --- a parent group that believes Thomas Jefferson High School’s relatively new admission process is discriminatory and not based on merit.

Many people believe the new admissions process is discriminatory, including a federal judge, and no longer based on merit. Dutta is hardly alone. Perhaps this surprises you because you live in an echo chamber where other views are automatically discounted.

I'm sure you can find a Trump appointee that will reach all kinds of wacky conclusions not supported by the facts, but the last judge to look at the facts found that there was no harm done. The group in question, which represents maybe 15% of the county's population, had secured over 60% of the TJ seats under the new system which shows they were doing vastly better than any other group. The case was subsequently laughed out of court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to break down the numbers a bit more to assess whether Asians are being discriminated against. The new policies are largely impacting FCPS students, but a significant portion of the Asian population comes from LCPS. In LCPS, probably close to 100% both of applications and admissions are Asian students. What are the FCPS numbers?

Also, the numbers are lumping South Asians and East Asians into the same pot. But, it is entirely likely that the two groups have very different TJ representation as well as admissions rates. It could simultaneously be true that South Asians are grossly overrepresented at TJ, while East Asians are being discriminated against.

Both of these things are true. The South Asian community has done a magnificent job of lumping the East Asians in with their cause, but indeed, the previous process was harmful to East Asian applicants and the new process benefits them greatly.

Despite only constituting about 20-25% of the Asian population within the catchment area, South Asians represent approximately 65% of the Asian population at TJ. It used to be the case that 90-95% of the Asian TJ population was East or Southeast Asian not that long ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

That quote helps to explain why the Coalition's vacatur request was rejected back in April by a favorable Supreme Court. Looks like they probably read Hilton's opinion and Heytens' concurrence and came to what should have been a relatively obvious conclusion for everyone involved.

The Coalition has to know by now that they have no shot at mounting a challenge to the process until a new School Board is seated in January of 2024, by which point the process to seat the Class of 2028 will be well underway. Given that every seat in the Virginia House will be up for grabs and that Youngkin will be two years into a deeply unpopular term in Northern Virginia, I wouldn't say that their chances are great. But bless their hearts, they'll keep trying, and keep losing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to break down the numbers a bit more to assess whether Asians are being discriminated against. The new policies are largely impacting FCPS students, but a significant portion of the Asian population comes from LCPS. In LCPS, probably close to 100% both of applications and admissions are Asian students. What are the FCPS numbers?

Also, the numbers are lumping South Asians and East Asians into the same pot. But, it is entirely likely that the two groups have very different TJ representation as well as admissions rates. It could simultaneously be true that South Asians are grossly overrepresented at TJ, while East Asians are being discriminated against.

Both of these things are true. The South Asian community has done a magnificent job of lumping the East Asians in with their cause, but indeed, the previous process was harmful to East Asian applicants and the new process benefits them greatly.

Despite only constituting about 20-25% of the Asian population within the catchment area, South Asians represent approximately 65% of the Asian population at TJ. It used to be the case that 90-95% of the Asian TJ population was East or Southeast Asian not that long ago.

The new process benefits recent Americans of African descent as against African Americans who have descended from those from the pre-Civil Rights era. Grouping these two significantly disparate communities provides a good look under the category of “African Americans” but is not solving for the real problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

That quote helps to explain why the Coalition's vacatur request was rejected back in April by a favorable Supreme Court. Looks like they probably read Hilton's opinion and Heytens' concurrence and came to what should have been a relatively obvious conclusion for everyone involved.

The Coalition has to know by now that they have no shot at mounting a challenge to the process until a new School Board is seated in January of 2024, by which point the process to seat the Class of 2028 will be well underway. Given that every seat in the Virginia House will be up for grabs and that Youngkin will be two years into a deeply unpopular term in Northern Virginia, I wouldn't say that their chances are great. But bless their hearts, they'll keep trying, and keep losing.

A more plausible explanation was that the Court refused to entertain a procedural request to overturn a stay pending appeal knowing that they would soon be dealing on the merits with two cases presenting some overlapping issues.

I'm thinking your political predictions have also turned out wrong recently with far more frequency than you'd like. Hang in there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to break down the numbers a bit more to assess whether Asians are being discriminated against. The new policies are largely impacting FCPS students, but a significant portion of the Asian population comes from LCPS. In LCPS, probably close to 100% both of applications and admissions are Asian students. What are the FCPS numbers?

Also, the numbers are lumping South Asians and East Asians into the same pot. But, it is entirely likely that the two groups have very different TJ representation as well as admissions rates. It could simultaneously be true that South Asians are grossly overrepresented at TJ, while East Asians are being discriminated against.

Both of these things are true. The South Asian community has done a magnificent job of lumping the East Asians in with their cause, but indeed, the previous process was harmful to East Asian applicants and the new process benefits them greatly.

Despite only constituting about 20-25% of the Asian population within the catchment area, South Asians represent approximately 65% of the Asian population at TJ. It used to be the case that 90-95% of the Asian TJ population was East or Southeast Asian not that long ago.

The new process benefits recent Americans of African descent as against African Americans who have descended from those from the pre-Civil Rights era. Grouping these two significantly disparate communities provides a good look under the category of “African Americans” but is not solving for the real problem.

100% agree. The diversity boost should be for the groups that we've marginalized. The same is true for Hispanics. Adding a bunch of middle class white Hispanic kids who are descendants of colonizers doesn't do much to help the non-white Hispanic kids that are the descendants of people that Western civilization exploited and screwed over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to break down the numbers a bit more to assess whether Asians are being discriminated against. The new policies are largely impacting FCPS students, but a significant portion of the Asian population comes from LCPS. In LCPS, probably close to 100% both of applications and admissions are Asian students. What are the FCPS numbers?

Also, the numbers are lumping South Asians and East Asians into the same pot. But, it is entirely likely that the two groups have very different TJ representation as well as admissions rates. It could simultaneously be true that South Asians are grossly overrepresented at TJ, while East Asians are being discriminated against.

Both of these things are true. The South Asian community has done a magnificent job of lumping the East Asians in with their cause, but indeed, the previous process was harmful to East Asian applicants and the new process benefits them greatly.

Despite only constituting about 20-25% of the Asian population within the catchment area, South Asians represent approximately 65% of the Asian population at TJ. It used to be the case that 90-95% of the Asian TJ population was East or Southeast Asian not that long ago.

The new process benefits recent Americans of African descent as against African Americans who have descended from those from the pre-Civil Rights era. Grouping these two significantly disparate communities provides a good look under the category of “African Americans” but is not solving for the real problem.

100% agree. The diversity boost should be for the groups that we've marginalized. The same is true for Hispanics. Adding a bunch of middle class white Hispanic kids who are descendants of colonizers doesn't do much to help the non-white Hispanic kids that are the descendants of people that Western civilization exploited and screwed over.

Absolutely true! But the politicians only care about sound bytes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

Agree and why local norms are considered a best practice in gifted education selection since actual giftedness is evenly distributed throughout the population. Sure, some parents hate this since it makes it hard for them to game admissions, but all indications are it yields the best outcomes.