I'm so tired of mom cliques

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I had a close friend who moved away. This was not an acquaintance -- it's someone I saw 1:1 regularly for years, who had come to my wedding, who was among the first group of people I told when I got pregnant.

Her family was still local, so she would come back to town with some frequency -- every 3-4 months. The first few times she came back, she'd let me know and we'd plan a coffee date or just a hang at my house or something. She reached out to me. I had a newish baby at the time so I was being a homebody, but was always happy to go meet up with her when she was around (with or without the baby, though she'd usually ask if the baby could come because she likes babies).

I still don't really know why, but she stopped reaching out when she'd come to town. Maybe she outgrew me as a friend, maybe she decided she was bored with my new mom status, I don't know. All I know is she stopped letting me know when she was going to be in town, and stopped making an effort to see me.

How do I know this? Because every time she'd come to town, she'd post like 14 photos of her trip to Facebook -- pictures of her with people I knew, going places near my house, doing things I definitely used to do with her. She'd post comments like "So good to see my [city name] fam when I'm in town! Love you all!"

Seeing these photos felt like being punched in the gut. They caused literal pain for me. I did reach out to her after the first time it happened, just a quick text of "hey, sorry I missed you when you were town, hope everything is going well and would love to catch up over phone/text sometime!" Like really trying to avoid sounding upset or jealous even though I was. She gave me a noncommittal response ("oh yeah, crazy busy trip sorry we couldn't connect, will definitely call soon!!") but then didn't call. I took the hint and let it go.

But still, she kept posting those photos every time she was in town, and it hurt so much. I wasn't mad that she was having fun. I was deeply hurt that she seemed to have prioritized maintaining friendships with so many other people in town, but for some reason not me. And it wasn't because I had a kid -- she'd posted photos with other friends and their kids.

Obviously I eventually just muted her so I wouldn't have to see it. But those photos were brutal. And yes, it made it much, much worse than if she'd just done a fade out on me and I didn't even know she was still coming to town and what she was doing. Way worse. Knowing that she was regularly in town, in my neighborhood, and was just affirmatively choosing not to see me felt so intense. It honestly did feel hostile.

She could have done all the exact same things but not posted the photos, or even just blocked me from seeing them. Her choice to post them knowing I probably would see them felt intentionally hurtful.

I think this is the kind of thing people on this thread are talking about. I think in this situation, it's actually reasonable to say she should have not posted the photos, or posted them in a way that they wouldn't be visible to me. I don't really know what else I could have done on my end to prevent being impacted by them. It just felt like salt in a wound for no other reason than she just really wanted everyone (me included) to know what an amazing time she was having with other people.

For whatever reason, she wanted to post photos. I don’t think it was a personal attack on you. I also don’t think she needed to refrain bc you might see them. People have different friends and different relationships and they ebb and flow. Your relationship was/is fading whether she posted pictures or not. I wouldn’t take it personal. I don’t think she did anything wrong. Personally I wouldn’t have texted her at all. She didn’t reach out to you to say she was in town, so why text the “I saw you came into town” text? Few people stay close friends forever, especially after moving. You just have to let it go and work on your current friendships.

I get that you are giving me advice because I am the one posting this and not her. I didn't ask for advice, but okay. I have let the friendship go, as I said -- after she blew me off again, I didn't reach out again and we have not spoken since. It's been years.

I don't think the photos were a personal attack, but it's also kind of crazy to me that it wouldn't even cross her mind that posting them might come off as rude to me. Even though she wasn't reaching out to hang out in person with me anymore, we were still connected on Facebook and she was even regularly liking photos I posted and commenting on them. So while I wouldn't expect to be perfectly top of mind, it's just nuts that she wouldn't think "oh hey, my friend I'm fading on is going to see this on Facebook and this restaurant is literally two blocks from her house -- maybe it would be weird to post these photos, or maybe I should at a minimum not gush about how happy I am to see 'all my favorite people' in this town."

It's honestly just weird to me that you could be close to someone for a long time and not at least think that posting those pictures was unnecessarily hurtful. No one *needs* to see a dozen photos of your weekend, and no one really needs to post them. If posting them is going to make someone you at least recently cared about feel awful, and not posting them is just going to mean slightly fewer likes, it feels like the kinder choice is to not post.

I just can't imagine doing this. I really think I'd pause, remember that it might hurt someone, and just choose not to post those specific photos. It really did seem callous of her, whether it was an intentional insult or just her being really obtuse.

DP, who thinks your hurt response was entirely normal and human, and also that you handled the situation as best you could, from your initial follow up text to letting the friendship go. What else can you do? I’m sorry you had to go through that.

I think this thread is evidence that there are people who either don’t realize how hurtful this behavior can be or who do realize it and don’t care. Frankly, most people who post so much of their social lives online are incredibly self-absorbed, IME, which is a friendship deal-breaker. I was on FB for years; the women with whom I’m closest are, too, but to a one, post these kinds of pictures rarely, if ever. I got off FB for various reasons, and don’t miss it.

Social media can be used to connect people in ways that aren’t painful. Unfortunately, this kind of social competition is a big part of the reason it’s so popular and so hard to quit, I think.

+1, a fair summation of the thread and the issue.

Glad you've found people who share your values, PP.

Another fair summation of the thread is that some people feel unnecessarily threatened or targeted by things that just really aren't about them. Someone could get offended by literally anything you post. The solution isn't to stop posting but to not look at things that upset you on the internet. That's the only thing you can control. You can cry that whatever is rude and someone else can cry about the tackiness of your posts about food or how it's rude to flaunt your wealth in your posts. There have been tons of people here who are incredibly sanctimonious about their social media usage as though the things THEY post are the right things and no one should be mad about it, but christ. It's social-f'n-media. It's literally meant to be used the way people are using it. If you can't handle it, scroll on by instead of throwing a fit that Becky has fun drinking wine with friends and you wanted to do it too.

How self-absorbed does one have to be to see someone else’s post or photo and make it about you?

Slightly less self-absorbed than someone who feels the need to posts every single social gathering online.

Okay well cool story; nobody is actually doing that but that’s the story you have to tell yourself to make your argument that you’re not 100% making it about you.

Some people definitely do that. I know several. A woman I went to grad school with, a former client I became somewhat friendly with when we worked together. These are not close friends of mine and I don’t care one way or another about their social media activity, nor have I ever been upset that I wasn’t included, as I don’t know them well and one lives across the country.

They truly do post everything or close to it. Multiple events a week. Even just happy hours with neighbors or a non-celebratory brunch with friends. All their kids events. I have no idea if their photos make people somewhere feel left out, but I will admit it’s a total mystery to me why they post as much as they do. I know more about their lives and schedules than I do about my best friend. I just can’t imagine what the goal is.

why do you pay attention to them if you dont like what theyre doing?

I don't dislike what they are doing. I actually like scrolling their pictures. One of them is extremely fashionable and I love seeing photos of her outfits that she wears to different events, and will sometimes ask where she got a skirt or an accessory so I can buy it myself. Both have really adorable kids, and one of them has a daughter who is training at a high level in a pretty cool activity and she'll post videos and some of them are amazing. I genuinely like looking at a lot of their photos, especially vacation stuff because it gives me ideas for my own plans.

But I'd say on any given day, these two women are 30% of my Instagram feed, because I most people in my network are like me -- they post once in a blue moon. They are not influencers in any way, but they kind of post like influencers. Since I only know them a little, I can enjoy their lovely photos of travel, cocktails, kids and friends. But if I had to take a bet, I'm guessing there are women in their immediate social circle who feel very differently about it. I am not angling for invites to their outings and don't view either of them as a true peer, and certainly not a competitor. So it has no impact on me. But the sheer volume of posting almost certainly irks people who know them better. It's a lot.

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I had a close friend who moved away. This was not an acquaintance -- it's someone I saw 1:1 regularly for years, who had come to my wedding, who was among the first group of people I told when I got pregnant.

Her family was still local, so she would come back to town with some frequency -- every 3-4 months. The first few times she came back, she'd let me know and we'd plan a coffee date or just a hang at my house or something. She reached out to me. I had a newish baby at the time so I was being a homebody, but was always happy to go meet up with her when she was around (with or without the baby, though she'd usually ask if the baby could come because she likes babies).

I still don't really know why, but she stopped reaching out when she'd come to town. Maybe she outgrew me as a friend, maybe she decided she was bored with my new mom status, I don't know. All I know is she stopped letting me know when she was going to be in town, and stopped making an effort to see me.

How do I know this? Because every time she'd come to town, she'd post like 14 photos of her trip to Facebook -- pictures of her with people I knew, going places near my house, doing things I definitely used to do with her. She'd post comments like "So good to see my [city name] fam when I'm in town! Love you all!"

Seeing these photos felt like being punched in the gut. They caused literal pain for me. I did reach out to her after the first time it happened, just a quick text of "hey, sorry I missed you when you were town, hope everything is going well and would love to catch up over phone/text sometime!" Like really trying to avoid sounding upset or jealous even though I was. She gave me a noncommittal response ("oh yeah, crazy busy trip sorry we couldn't connect, will definitely call soon!!") but then didn't call. I took the hint and let it go.

But still, she kept posting those photos every time she was in town, and it hurt so much. I wasn't mad that she was having fun. I was deeply hurt that she seemed to have prioritized maintaining friendships with so many other people in town, but for some reason not me. And it wasn't because I had a kid -- she'd posted photos with other friends and their kids.

Obviously I eventually just muted her so I wouldn't have to see it. But those photos were brutal. And yes, it made it much, much worse than if she'd just done a fade out on me and I didn't even know she was still coming to town and what she was doing. Way worse. Knowing that she was regularly in town, in my neighborhood, and was just affirmatively choosing not to see me felt so intense. It honestly did feel hostile.

She could have done all the exact same things but not posted the photos, or even just blocked me from seeing them. Her choice to post them knowing I probably would see them felt intentionally hurtful.

I think this is the kind of thing people on this thread are talking about. I think in this situation, it's actually reasonable to say she should have not posted the photos, or posted them in a way that they wouldn't be visible to me. I don't really know what else I could have done on my end to prevent being impacted by them. It just felt like salt in a wound for no other reason than she just really wanted everyone (me included) to know what an amazing time she was having with other people.

For whatever reason, she wanted to post photos. I don’t think it was a personal attack on you. I also don’t think she needed to refrain bc you might see them. People have different friends and different relationships and they ebb and flow. Your relationship was/is fading whether she posted pictures or not. I wouldn’t take it personal. I don’t think she did anything wrong. Personally I wouldn’t have texted her at all. She didn’t reach out to you to say she was in town, so why text the “I saw you came into town” text? Few people stay close friends forever, especially after moving. You just have to let it go and work on your current friendships.

I get that you are giving me advice because I am the one posting this and not her. I didn't ask for advice, but okay. I have let the friendship go, as I said -- after she blew me off again, I didn't reach out again and we have not spoken since. It's been years.

I don't think the photos were a personal attack, but it's also kind of crazy to me that it wouldn't even cross her mind that posting them might come off as rude to me. Even though she wasn't reaching out to hang out in person with me anymore, we were still connected on Facebook and she was even regularly liking photos I posted and commenting on them. So while I wouldn't expect to be perfectly top of mind, it's just nuts that she wouldn't think "oh hey, my friend I'm fading on is going to see this on Facebook and this restaurant is literally two blocks from her house -- maybe it would be weird to post these photos, or maybe I should at a minimum not gush about how happy I am to see 'all my favorite people' in this town."

It's honestly just weird to me that you could be close to someone for a long time and not at least think that posting those pictures was unnecessarily hurtful. No one *needs* to see a dozen photos of your weekend, and no one really needs to post them. If posting them is going to make someone you at least recently cared about feel awful, and not posting them is just going to mean slightly fewer likes, it feels like the kinder choice is to not post.

I just can't imagine doing this. I really think I'd pause, remember that it might hurt someone, and just choose not to post those specific photos. It really did seem callous of her, whether it was an intentional insult or just her being really obtuse.

DP, who thinks your hurt response was entirely normal and human, and also that you handled the situation as best you could, from your initial follow up text to letting the friendship go. What else can you do? I’m sorry you had to go through that.

I think this thread is evidence that there are people who either don’t realize how hurtful this behavior can be or who do realize it and don’t care. Frankly, most people who post so much of their social lives online are incredibly self-absorbed, IME, which is a friendship deal-breaker. I was on FB for years; the women with whom I’m closest are, too, but to a one, post these kinds of pictures rarely, if ever. I got off FB for various reasons, and don’t miss it.

Social media can be used to connect people in ways that aren’t painful. Unfortunately, this kind of social competition is a big part of the reason it’s so popular and so hard to quit, I think.

+1, a fair summation of the thread and the issue.

Glad you've found people who share your values, PP.

Another fair summation of the thread is that some people feel unnecessarily threatened or targeted by things that just really aren't about them. Someone could get offended by literally anything you post. The solution isn't to stop posting but to not look at things that upset you on the internet. That's the only thing you can control. You can cry that whatever is rude and someone else can cry about the tackiness of your posts about food or how it's rude to flaunt your wealth in your posts. There have been tons of people here who are incredibly sanctimonious about their social media usage as though the things THEY post are the right things and no one should be mad about it, but christ. It's social-f'n-media. It's literally meant to be used the way people are using it. If you can't handle it, scroll on by instead of throwing a fit that Becky has fun drinking wine with friends and you wanted to do it too.

How self-absorbed does one have to be to see someone else’s post or photo and make it about you?

Slightly less self-absorbed than someone who feels the need to posts every single social gathering online.

Okay well cool story; nobody is actually doing that but that’s the story you have to tell yourself to make your argument that you’re not 100% making it about you.

Some people definitely do that. I know several. A woman I went to grad school with, a former client I became somewhat friendly with when we worked together. These are not close friends of mine and I don’t care one way or another about their social media activity, nor have I ever been upset that I wasn’t included, as I don’t know them well and one lives across the country.

They truly do post everything or close to it. Multiple events a week. Even just happy hours with neighbors or a non-celebratory brunch with friends. All their kids events. I have no idea if their photos make people somewhere feel left out, but I will admit it’s a total mystery to me why they post as much as they do. I know more about their lives and schedules than I do about my best friend. I just can’t imagine what the goal is.

They probably do photo books

Uh, I do photo books and don't post almost anything to social media. Are people not aware that you can save favorite photos in private accounts that you can then turn into photo books? No social media required at all.

So? Does that make you feel superior that you do photo books without social media?

God, you sound insanely defensive. I was just noting that it makes no sense to post constant photos of all your events to social media in order to do photo books because that's not even the best or most efficient way to do photo books.

It would be like me storing my monthly spending allowance on Visa gift cards instead of just leaving it in my checking account. It's an unnecessary and actually kind of dangerous (from a private perspective) way to do something that's actually really easy to do another, more straightforward way.

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I had a close friend who moved away. This was not an acquaintance -- it's someone I saw 1:1 regularly for years, who had come to my wedding, who was among the first group of people I told when I got pregnant.

Her family was still local, so she would come back to town with some frequency -- every 3-4 months. The first few times she came back, she'd let me know and we'd plan a coffee date or just a hang at my house or something. She reached out to me. I had a newish baby at the time so I was being a homebody, but was always happy to go meet up with her when she was around (with or without the baby, though she'd usually ask if the baby could come because she likes babies).

I still don't really know why, but she stopped reaching out when she'd come to town. Maybe she outgrew me as a friend, maybe she decided she was bored with my new mom status, I don't know. All I know is she stopped letting me know when she was going to be in town, and stopped making an effort to see me.

How do I know this? Because every time she'd come to town, she'd post like 14 photos of her trip to Facebook -- pictures of her with people I knew, going places near my house, doing things I definitely used to do with her. She'd post comments like "So good to see my [city name] fam when I'm in town! Love you all!"

Seeing these photos felt like being punched in the gut. They caused literal pain for me. I did reach out to her after the first time it happened, just a quick text of "hey, sorry I missed you when you were town, hope everything is going well and would love to catch up over phone/text sometime!" Like really trying to avoid sounding upset or jealous even though I was. She gave me a noncommittal response ("oh yeah, crazy busy trip sorry we couldn't connect, will definitely call soon!!") but then didn't call. I took the hint and let it go.

But still, she kept posting those photos every time she was in town, and it hurt so much. I wasn't mad that she was having fun. I was deeply hurt that she seemed to have prioritized maintaining friendships with so many other people in town, but for some reason not me. And it wasn't because I had a kid -- she'd posted photos with other friends and their kids.

Obviously I eventually just muted her so I wouldn't have to see it. But those photos were brutal. And yes, it made it much, much worse than if she'd just done a fade out on me and I didn't even know she was still coming to town and what she was doing. Way worse. Knowing that she was regularly in town, in my neighborhood, and was just affirmatively choosing not to see me felt so intense. It honestly did feel hostile.

She could have done all the exact same things but not posted the photos, or even just blocked me from seeing them. Her choice to post them knowing I probably would see them felt intentionally hurtful.

I think this is the kind of thing people on this thread are talking about. I think in this situation, it's actually reasonable to say she should have not posted the photos, or posted them in a way that they wouldn't be visible to me. I don't really know what else I could have done on my end to prevent being impacted by them. It just felt like salt in a wound for no other reason than she just really wanted everyone (me included) to know what an amazing time she was having with other people.

For whatever reason, she wanted to post photos. I don’t think it was a personal attack on you. I also don’t think she needed to refrain bc you might see them. People have different friends and different relationships and they ebb and flow. Your relationship was/is fading whether she posted pictures or not. I wouldn’t take it personal. I don’t think she did anything wrong. Personally I wouldn’t have texted her at all. She didn’t reach out to you to say she was in town, so why text the “I saw you came into town” text? Few people stay close friends forever, especially after moving. You just have to let it go and work on your current friendships.

I get that you are giving me advice because I am the one posting this and not her. I didn't ask for advice, but okay. I have let the friendship go, as I said -- after she blew me off again, I didn't reach out again and we have not spoken since. It's been years.

I don't think the photos were a personal attack, but it's also kind of crazy to me that it wouldn't even cross her mind that posting them might come off as rude to me. Even though she wasn't reaching out to hang out in person with me anymore, we were still connected on Facebook and she was even regularly liking photos I posted and commenting on them. So while I wouldn't expect to be perfectly top of mind, it's just nuts that she wouldn't think "oh hey, my friend I'm fading on is going to see this on Facebook and this restaurant is literally two blocks from her house -- maybe it would be weird to post these photos, or maybe I should at a minimum not gush about how happy I am to see 'all my favorite people' in this town."

It's honestly just weird to me that you could be close to someone for a long time and not at least think that posting those pictures was unnecessarily hurtful. No one *needs* to see a dozen photos of your weekend, and no one really needs to post them. If posting them is going to make someone you at least recently cared about feel awful, and not posting them is just going to mean slightly fewer likes, it feels like the kinder choice is to not post.

I just can't imagine doing this. I really think I'd pause, remember that it might hurt someone, and just choose not to post those specific photos. It really did seem callous of her, whether it was an intentional insult or just her being really obtuse.

DP, who thinks your hurt response was entirely normal and human, and also that you handled the situation as best you could, from your initial follow up text to letting the friendship go. What else can you do? I’m sorry you had to go through that.

I think this thread is evidence that there are people who either don’t realize how hurtful this behavior can be or who do realize it and don’t care. Frankly, most people who post so much of their social lives online are incredibly self-absorbed, IME, which is a friendship deal-breaker. I was on FB for years; the women with whom I’m closest are, too, but to a one, post these kinds of pictures rarely, if ever. I got off FB for various reasons, and don’t miss it.

Social media can be used to connect people in ways that aren’t painful. Unfortunately, this kind of social competition is a big part of the reason it’s so popular and so hard to quit, I think.

+1, a fair summation of the thread and the issue.

Glad you've found people who share your values, PP.

Another fair summation of the thread is that some people feel unnecessarily threatened or targeted by things that just really aren't about them. Someone could get offended by literally anything you post. The solution isn't to stop posting but to not look at things that upset you on the internet. That's the only thing you can control. You can cry that whatever is rude and someone else can cry about the tackiness of your posts about food or how it's rude to flaunt your wealth in your posts. There have been tons of people here who are incredibly sanctimonious about their social media usage as though the things THEY post are the right things and no one should be mad about it, but christ. It's social-f'n-media. It's literally meant to be used the way people are using it. If you can't handle it, scroll on by instead of throwing a fit that Becky has fun drinking wine with friends and you wanted to do it too.

How self-absorbed does one have to be to see someone else’s post or photo and make it about you?

Slightly less self-absorbed than someone who feels the need to posts every single social gathering online.

Okay well cool story; nobody is actually doing that but that’s the story you have to tell yourself to make your argument that you’re not 100% making it about you.

Some people definitely do that. I know several. A woman I went to grad school with, a former client I became somewhat friendly with when we worked together. These are not close friends of mine and I don’t care one way or another about their social media activity, nor have I ever been upset that I wasn’t included, as I don’t know them well and one lives across the country.

They truly do post everything or close to it. Multiple events a week. Even just happy hours with neighbors or a non-celebratory brunch with friends. All their kids events. I have no idea if their photos make people somewhere feel left out, but I will admit it’s a total mystery to me why they post as much as they do. I know more about their lives and schedules than I do about my best friend. I just can’t imagine what the goal is.

They probably do photo books

Uh, I do photo books and don't post almost anything to social media. Are people not aware that you can save favorite photos in private accounts that you can then turn into photo books? No social media required at all.

So? Does that make you feel superior that you do photo books without social media?

God, you sound insanely defensive. I was just noting that it makes no sense to post constant photos of all your events to social media in order to do photo books because that's not even the best or most efficient way to do photo books.

It would be like me storing my monthly spending allowance on Visa gift cards instead of just leaving it in my checking account. It's an unnecessary and actually kind of dangerous (from a private perspective) way to do something that's actually really easy to do another, more straightforward way.

why does it bother you if people are not doing things in the most optimal way?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

Blame the victim? The idea that a photo of people having fun at an event that you felt entitled to go to is victimizing is asinine. I'm sorry. You are not a victim. You are just making things about yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

nothing happened "to" them

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

Blame the victim? The idea that a photo of people having fun at an event that you felt entitled to go to is victimizing is asinine. I'm sorry. You are not a victim. You are just making things about yourself.

so any time i feel bad for any reason, i am a victim? if i go on ig and see someone with a nicer house than mine and feel bad, i am a victim? hahahahahahahahaha haaa hahahaha hah hah

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

Blame the victim? The idea that a photo of people having fun at an event that you felt entitled to go to is victimizing is asinine. I'm sorry. You are not a victim. You are just making things about yourself.

so any time i feel bad for any reason, i am a victim? if i go on ig and see someone with a nicer house than mine and feel bad, i am a victim? hahahahahahahahaha haaa hahahaha hah hah

You are a social simpleton. And a snot based on this post.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

Blame the victim? The idea that a photo of people having fun at an event that you felt entitled to go to is victimizing is asinine. I'm sorry. You are not a victim. You are just making things about yourself.

Good Lord. Can you read? Didn’t happen to me ever. I am not much of a social media user, in fact.

People like you are not worth explaining subtleties to. You are a waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who the mom cliques are at our school, if they exist.

+ 1000. I have a job and two time intensive hobbies and my long term friends. I also don't accept invitations on social media from the school moms. Ignorance is bliss.

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Anonymous wrote:After some mild elementary school girl drama, I’ve realized that I actually want my friends to be separate from my kid’s friends.

It’s great when I get along with a few of my kid’s friends’ parents, but I’d rather have them independent from each other, because then I don’t have to worry about awkwardness with a friend because our kids are being mean to each other on the regular.

That being said, it can be lonely when you don’t have those more casual friendships. I’ve only done this in a COVID/post-COVID world, so I wonder how much of that is because people have kind of stopped cultivating those more circumstantial friendships.

x100000

Yes. Actually, my closest friends are single and don't have kids. They make me feel human, like I'm more than Larla's mother.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who the mom cliques are at our school, if they exist.

+ 1000. I have a job and two time intensive hobbies and my long term friends. I also don't accept invitations on social media from the school moms. Ignorance is bliss.

I mean this is really the answer. This not OP’s school. Nor the other moms’ school. Them treating their kids’ school as their social sphere is the issue. Get a job, volunteer, expand YOUR world outside of YOUR KIDS’ world and suddenly what other school moms are doing becomes invisible and irrelevant.

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I just block people from my Facebook wall if they post things that trigger me. I can remain "Facebook" friends but not see things that bring me down. I did this when a friend posted non-stop political stuff during the last election (even though I agreed with her, i didn't want to see it daily) and I've done it with a few moms who post exclusionary pictures that make me feel sad.

You can't control others, you can only control your response. Out of sight, out of mind.

There are definitely, 100% moms who "get off" on excluding people. There was one in my son's friend group who seemed to live by the mantra of "An event isn't worth attending unless someone else is excluded". I was in the inner circle of her invite list but I saw her to do it countless other kids (and moms). It's just how some people are wired and usually comes from a place of deep (and often hidden) insecurity. I've found that the most fabulous and secure moms are usually the most welcoming and inclusive.

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I don’t always invite everyone to every event I host, but I don’t post about them on social media, so those who didn’t attend are none the wiser and don’t feel left out. I also tend to have an inner circle and outer circle of friends, if I want to do something small, I’m not inviting all of the moms from the neighborhood. If I’m hosting something bigger, than it’s more open. I’ve noticed that the people I know who post more pictures about “their crew” or “momsnightout” tend to be insecure and drama seeking. It’s not cute to be almost 40 and hashtagging about how your crew is the coolest.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be part of a social group where people posted stuff like this a lot. I met them through my job, which had an extremely social culture and there was a lot of pressure to hang out outside work. People were mostly late 20s/early 30s.

Not just girls nights and bbq’s (though also those) but almost any outing. They’d go shopping with a couple friends and post photos of themselves in the dressing room (#shopshopshop #mirrorpics #howdoilook). They’d go to a movie and post a photo of themselves sitting in the movie theater before the movie started (#popcorntime #welovedanielcraig). I had been an occasional Facebook user before this but being part of this crew sucked me in— I was scrolling my feed multiple times a day. I started posting more. Probably less than some people because I hate how I look in photos so I’m just much less likely to want to take and post a random photo. But way more than before.

Here’s what I learned during my time with this group of friends:

1. This kind of social media use causes drama. Full stop. There were ALWAYS people who felt left out or hurt. I think it also drove insecurity. This was the most insecure group of people I’ve ever been around, and I include myself. It was worse than middles school or high school (pre social media).

2. It reinforces social hierarchies. The people who post the most are the people who can do the most things. Meaning: people with more money, more time, better access to things that will look cool in a photo (nice house, cool work travel, etc). Their posts drive attention, and thus popularity. This was the most high school thing about it. And yes, of course, being photogenic in a friend group that posts every single photo to socials is a big boon.

3. People 100% used it to hurt people or assert dominance. An anecdote: there was a work-related disagreement between two women. The night after it happened, one of them invited two key senior staffers to her house to hang out, then posted the photos of them all drinking wine and laughing to Facebook. The senior staffers were not even aware of the disagreement at the time, but it was obvious to those of us who did know that this was a calculated move to show she had certain people in her corner. There was a lot of behavior like this (see not about drama/insecurity above).

It wasn’t until I moved on from that job that I realized how toxic this all is. I know it’s an extreme example, but it really revealed to me how messed up this behavior is. It destroys relationships, puts people on edge.

I have since quit Facebook, and post to Instagram maybe 6 times a year, generally so relatives and far away friends can see pics of my kid growing up. My account is private and I removed most of the people from that part of my life from my followers, not out if malice, but because I don’t want that kind of behavior in my life anymore.

You can, of course, do what you want. But I think many of you who post everything to social media and don’t care who it hurts might feel differently in 10 years. I think with some distance, you might realize how toxic this behavior is.

Just wanted to thank you for this thought-provoking post, PP.

Agreed. Several PPs on here getting all worked up about their own social media use and defending it, that they don't seem to grasp that not all situations are the same. There are definitely women who use social media in a hurtful, manipulative way. Your BBQ pics may not be hurting anyone, but don't pretend there aren't other people who do this kind of thing.

why would you be fb friends with someone like that? that’s on you.

I'm the PP you are responding to and this has not happened to me personally, but I believe the OP and others who have posted that it has happened to them. There can be a million different circumstances that lead to these situations and to use a blanket "blame the victim" statement like yours reflects poorly on you. Don't be a social simpleton.

Blame the victim? The idea that a photo of people having fun at an event that you felt entitled to go to is victimizing is asinine. I'm sorry. You are not a victim. You are just making things about yourself.

Good Lord. Can you read? Didn’t happen to me ever. I am not much of a social media user, in fact.

People like you are not worth explaining subtleties to. You are a waste of time.

Whether it happened to you or not is irrelevant. Your phrasing was dramatic and absurd.