UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Yes, because they are risk-pooling, which is the function of insurance. If they paid everyone's bills, they would go bankrupt, and no one would get any care. If you don't want them to do that, pay out of pocket. The number of people who wish for utopia and then cheer on murdering those who fail to achieve it has been really eye-opening. The number of really stupid people is definitely at an all-time high.

Straw man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone wonder if something about the surgery (screws used, any nerves or whatever that were hit) may have had some neurological impact?

Probably brain injury from surfing accident and drug use exacerbated an already existing mental illness.
Pain meds from surgery probably didn’t help things.

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He looks like a madman doesn’t he? Unkempt, snarling baring his teeth, yelling. Not the pictured valedictorian.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like classic definition of violent extremism; ideologies that move into realm where violence becomes acceptable to achieve goals. You see this in all kinds of political, environmental, or social movements. His Italian heritage made me think about the political violence in Italy in the 1960s-1980s.

His thinking seems steeped in symbolism. His elite education probably included the classics of history of political thought and movements. He seems to be railing against a system that he sees as rigid and exploitative and harms people, and the highly-paid UHC CEO was the initial target of that system.

Was he born in Italy? Did he live in Italy during that time?

It was really shocking to me how many stories including from providers came out of this shooting. Overwhelmingly people view the shooter as a hero of sorts, without knowing the full details.

Americans are understandingly upset at companies like United Health.

I am choosing my healthcare plan. Because I now work for myself, I have a choice to pick the plan I want. I absolutely will not pick United.

Providers are on social media, dropping United.

This is what needs to happen. People, employers, providers, need to drop United Health. If they're a PITA, don't use them. Hit them in the pocket books. Don't make it profitable for them.

Why does it matter? The PP wasn't saying he was inspired by it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

This right here is the central issue: Many people (myself included) think that health care SHOULD be a basic human right.

[Anonymous]

Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

I guess you have not seen his twitter. Weird how so many on the right keep wanting him to be a 'lefitst'.

He was your basic libertarian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

I guess you have not seen his twitter. Weird how so many on the right keep wanting him to be a 'lefitst'.

He was your basic libertarian.

Not since he was 18.

Buckle up for the Indoctrination Trial.

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Anonymous wrote:Vigiliantism is un-American.

Apparently it is very American - we’re about to see Trump pardon the January 6th folks so here we are.

Exactly. People here who are talking about his background and debating his back pain issues are not getting the bigger picture, which is the support Luigi has among the non DCUM population. This has parallels to the OJ trial and acquittal.

Eh the more people find out about the the less relatable he will be. He looks like a person born with a silver spoon in his mouth who had a tantrum when life finally gave him lemons. People will want to see his comeuppance once they know who he really was.

They'll like how he moved to the violent hippie side of things.

[Anonymous]

For 12 of the last 16 years, Obama has been in control of the White House, and Obama claimed his Obama-care would fix our healthcare system. He even won at the S.Ct when republican-appointed Justice Roberts ruled in Obama’s favor.

If anyone is to blame for healthcare problems in 2024, it is:

Obama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

But in many countries and cultures it is. (Brazil, Norway, the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates, to name a few) We could look at how others succeed where we don't if we wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Yes, because they are risk-pooling, which is the function of insurance. If they paid everyone's bills, they would go bankrupt, and no one would get any care. If you don't want them to do that, pay out of pocket. The number of people who wish for utopia and then cheer on murdering those who fail to achieve it has been really eye-opening. The number of really stupid people is definitely at an all-time high.

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Luigi Mangione grew up in the conservative, conformist, successful community in Baltimore.

Then was tossed into the leftist, activist era of COVID / DEI / BLM when he attended and graduated U Penn.

One activist female professor at UPenn has already deactivated her 10 years of website and blogs with her indoctrination.

Luigi then doubled down on the brainwashing in Cali, Hawaii and online.

And here we are. Killing people walking on the sidewalk in Manhattan.

Plus he became a vocal climate activist for the Left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Agree. This is not mental illness or intense chronic physical pain

This is some entitled 26 yo who wants to blast his political message. He is the messiah, come to save you. That is what he believes and how he is currently speaking. Collateral damage and side deaths be damned.