UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Murder without rational motive is typically due to mental illness. This CEO didn’t even know him or affect him personally

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Anonymous wrote:In response to the posts wondering why the parents didn’t do more to find him or get him into treatment, it’s impossible to force another adult into treatment, even if it’s your child. And if this is schizophrenia, schizophrenics don’t cooperate. I have personal experience with this. It’s not fair to blame the family.

Agree.

Getting a teen or adult into therapy and then having them do the takeaways rarely happens.

We had multiple PhD psychologists ask how we got a 39 yo “brilliant” person in to do a 4 hour neuropsychology test. He was Dx ASD I and Bipolar II, plus the usual anxiety and depression associated with it.
He never accepted his list of patterns of symptoms nor Dx. He said he took the test “to show us he was fine.” He also now demands to “take the test again since the first one was incorrect.”

It’s looneyville. Save yourself.

Luigi clearly had a mental episode. He is no hero.

He is dangerously, mentally ill.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-12-11/suspect-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-update

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

His descriptions of “brain fog” starting in college could be consistent with symptoms in the prodrome of schizophrenia as could the social and occupational withdrawal. To me he seems ill for sure but certainly not a slam dunk for schizophrenia based on what we’ve seen of his writing and behavior.

Interestingly, the unabomber was diagnosed w schizophrenia as that was thought to be the best fit but it definitely wasn’t a typical presentation. Just interesting to have two extremely bright people with similar (but very atypical) presentations if it does turn out to be schizophrenia.

drinking in a fraternity?

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I watch an FBI profiler on YouTube. She theorized the killing could have been politically motivated, to make a political statement. From public sentiment, that's a possibility. The powers that be, the ruling class, will write a narrative of mental illness. It's an old tired pointless narrative when the killer is a white male U.S. citizen with no other apparent motive.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Also upset about how his family was part of the system that killed so many people.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Also upset about how his family was part of the system that killed so many people.

What?

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Also upset about how his family was part of the system that killed so many people.

What?

What don’t you understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In response to the posts wondering why the parents didn’t do more to find him or get him into treatment, it’s impossible to force another adult into treatment, even if it’s your child. And if this is schizophrenia, schizophrenics don’t cooperate. I have personal experience with this. It’s not fair to blame the family.

+1 sadly, this is so true. And the ones hurt the most after the victims family, are his family.

This is why I think his family did notify authorities that they suspected it was him, but a PP said the authorities specifically said they didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Murder doesn’t always = mental illness but in this case the facts are highly suggestive of mental illness. Everyone that knew him (friends, colleagues, teachers, classmates) have said his actions and beliefs are completely opposite of the young man they knew. He did not have the personality or history of a person that would withdraw from family, friends, and society. Those are clear signs of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia and depression. When you add in the medical issues and pain, it’s another huge contributor of a mental break. I have seen this pattern in two different family members that suffered from schizophrenia. One withdrew from family and friends (no one knew their whereabouts for months) and then committed a violent crime (the voices instructed the person to do it). The other suffered pain and medical problems for years that spiraled into untreated depression and then psychosis. Neither recognized their illness and would say there was nothing wrong with them. That is a symptom of the illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Murder doesn’t always = mental illness but in this case the facts are highly suggestive of mental illness. Everyone that knew him (friends, colleagues, teachers, classmates) have said his actions and beliefs are completely opposite of the young man they knew. He did not have the personality or history of a person that would withdraw from family, friends, and society. Those are clear signs of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia and depression. When you add in the medical issues and pain, it’s another huge contributor of a mental break. I have seen this pattern in two different family members that suffered from schizophrenia. One withdrew from family and friends (no one knew their whereabouts for months) and then committed a violent crime (the voices instructed the person to do it). The other suffered pain and medical problems for years that spiraled into untreated depression and then psychosis. Neither recognized their illness and would say there was nothing wrong with them. That is a symptom of the illness.

He might be mentally ill but he understood that it would be illegal to go after the CEO. He can stand trial.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Who’s they?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Why isn’t the target the doctor then? He wasn’t denied surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

they are saying the back surgery caused ED. And he's upset about that.

Who’s they?

Some guy he lived with in Hawaii claims in an interview that Luigi said his back pain was so bad that he was scared to "be intimate" with someone. He did not claim to have ED. That is assuming that Luigi actually said this, and also assuming that Luigi was being truthful. He may have been just making it up, exaggerating, embellishing, etc. He's insane. In that same interview the guy claimed they went to yoga and went surfing together so I am having a hard time believing Luigi can do those activities but not get laid?

[Anonymous]

Why is anyone the target?!