UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

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Can Lina Khan do anything about those insurance companies greediness?

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Anonymous wrote:In response to the posts wondering why the parents didn’t do more to find him or get him into treatment, it’s impossible to force another adult into treatment, even if it’s your child. And if this is schizophrenia, schizophrenics don’t cooperate. I have personal experience with this. It’s not fair to blame the family.

Agree.

Getting a teen or adult into therapy and then having them do the takeaways rarely happens.

We had multiple PhD psychologists ask how we got a 39 yo “brilliant” person in to do a 4 hour neuropsychology test. He was Dx ASD I and Bipolar II, plus the usual anxiety and depression associated with it.
He never accepted his list of patterns of symptoms nor Dx. He said he took the test “to show us he was fine.” He also now demands to “take the test again since the first one was incorrect.”

It’s looneyville. Save yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:In response to the posts wondering why the parents didn’t do more to find him or get him into treatment, it’s impossible to force another adult into treatment, even if it’s your child. And if this is schizophrenia, schizophrenics don’t cooperate. I have personal experience with this. It’s not fair to blame the family.

+1 sadly, this is so true. And the ones hurt the most after the victims family, are his family.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that he went off his meds months ago?

It's more likely that he's never been medicated, because he didn't have a break until the past year or so.

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Anonymous wrote:I am completely disgusted with insurance companies AND with this violent brat.

Also, what’s missing from the discourse about this is that some insurance denials (many!) are because of predatory or fraudulent practices on the part of insurance companies but plenty would happen in any system simply because of finite resources-see nhs stories!

denials and reviews are always going to be part of healthcare even if we suddenly had mother Teresa at the helm of UHC.

What is also missing is the insurance fraud committed by thousands every day.
Sadly, back pain is often not approved by surgery. Some people suffer without relief, even after trying multiple surgical nonsurgical routes.

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that he went off his meds months ago?

It's more likely that he's never been medicated, because he didn't have a break until the past year or so.

Do you mean after he turned 26 and off of his parents' insurance?

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Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

When did he turn 26? Was he no longer on parents' insurance and didn't get his own insurance coverage resulting in no meds??

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Anonymous wrote:Vigiliantism is un-American.

Apparently it is very American - we’re about to see Trump pardon the January 6th folks so here we are.

Exactly. People here who are talking about his background and debating his back pain issues are not getting the bigger picture, which is the support Luigi has among the non DCUM population. This has parallels to the OJ trial and acquittal.

Eh the more people find out about the the less relatable he will be. He looks like a person born with a silver spoon in his mouth who had a tantrum when life finally gave him lemons. People will want to see his comeuppance once they know who he really was.

I don’t think so because this isn’t a case where the victim is sympathetic.

If he shot up a playground, sure we’d all want blood. But even if this is a spoiled kid, a broken clock is right twice a day.

I’m not going to be protesting in the streets for him to go free, but if he gets off on a technicality or gets mental health treatment instead that would also be fine with me.

It’s like a drug deal gone bad. Nobody will care about either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In response to the posts wondering why the parents didn’t do more to find him or get him into treatment, it’s impossible to force another adult into treatment, even if it’s your child. And if this is schizophrenia, schizophrenics don’t cooperate. I have personal experience with this. It’s not fair to blame the family.

+1 sadly, this is so true. And the ones hurt the most after the victims family, are his family.

Yep. Have a brother like this. Last time he had a break my parents at least got the cops to take his guns away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His mother, family members, or friends likely recognized him and possibly notified NYPD or the FBI, but that information was not released to the public. That wouldn't necessarily help law enforcement find him.

They specifically said that nobody had called in with his name.

I really think there was disbelief that their friend, their son, their relative was the shooter. They probably thought it was funny that the shooter look like their friend.

Wow.

Bet they had already lawyered up and screen grabbed all his socials.

His social in the form of “ X “ was briefly reinstated by one Elon Musk yesterday.

Know what jumps out at you? His book list.

It’s mostly nonfiction concerning PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS.

Plus the Dr Suess book, The Lorax.

He is 26 years old, but his parents still reported him “missing” to police back in November. Several of his friends reported Luigi stopped communicating in September.

A mental health crisis was suffered by Luigi in the September - November time frame.

Wasn’t he in Hawaii for part of that time?

Or Japan? Wtf?

Who takes a flight to Japan w chronic back pain?

I passed out in an airport due to chronic back pain. I didn't want my life to be not worth living so I kept working and work requried travel.

Your example is irrelevant. He wasn’t traveling to Japan for work. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am completely disgusted with insurance companies AND with this violent brat.

Also, what’s missing from the discourse about this is that some insurance denials (many!) are because of predatory or fraudulent practices on the part of insurance companies but plenty would happen in any system simply because of finite resources-see nhs stories!

denials and reviews are always going to be part of healthcare even if we suddenly had mother Teresa at the helm of UHC.

What is also missing is the insurance fraud committed by thousands every day.
Sadly, back pain is often not approved by surgery. Some people suffer without relief, even after trying multiple surgical nonsurgical routes.

I don't disagree with your indictment of insurance companies, but the belief that back pain can be best solved with surgery is actually mostly a boon to unscrupulous doctors. 20-40% of back surgeries fail, and if you are in that group, you will wind up with MORE issues than you had before surgery. Talk to a well respected ortho about this -- the good ones are very reluctant to cut because they know the outcomes. A lot of people wind up in back pain and they struggle with the non-invasive options because they require the patient to do a lot -- go to PT and exercise religiously, often they need to lose weight as well. There are some pharmaceuticals that can help (anti-inflammatories are particularly useful especially when used in tandem with PT). Chiropractic adjustments when done by a responsible practitioner (a lot of PTs can do it) can help a lot. When people don't like the effort level involved in all that, they want surgery and a magic fix. There isn't one.

Insurance companies can be terrible (UHC certainly is) but an insurer declining to pay for a pay surgery that is not medically necessary is doing you a favor. A lot of patients don't want to hear it though.