Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. You can't draw a permanent boundary and give one ES community a "choice" between two schools.

What’s this referencing?

Someone misinterpreted a prior post about which of two potential options Crossfield families might prefer. They read it to suggest those families would or should always have a choice.

Carson has a strong academic reputation but it's been revealing to see just how dense some of the families in the area are.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. You can't draw a permanent boundary and give one ES community a "choice" between two schools.

What’s this referencing?

Someone misinterpreted a prior post about which of two potential options Crossfield families might prefer. They read it to suggest those families would or should always have a choice.

Carson has a strong academic reputation but it's been revealing to see just how dense some of the families in the area are.

Well one of them claimed that they could get to Oakton in less time than to Skyview. Many pages ago. Comical statement, though.
I'd suggest they switch them to Hughes. Much faster if it takes longer to get to Carson than to Oakton.

[Anonymous]

Reid will do what she wants so why are they wasting time. Just present the final boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. You can't draw a permanent boundary and give one ES community a "choice" between two schools.

What’s this referencing?

Not sure. Maybe the poster who said Lee's Corner would be given a binary choice between Westfield and Skyview.

That would be ridiculous when there are plenty of neighborhoods between Lees Corner and Westfield that are assigned to Chantilly--note those schools off Walney Rd.

But, I agree that anything is possible with Reid. The foolish way they have rolled this out is puzzling. Loudest voices?

Remember we will have three scenarios.

By binary choices I meant three scenarios where Lees Corner is moved to Skyview in one scenario or moved to Westfield in the other scenarios.

In other words, there won't be any scenario for Lees Corner families to stay in Chnatilly.

Chantilly is overcrowded and that would be a justification to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. Lees Corner families will be inclined to take the least bad option, which is probably Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I don't have a child in AAP and I've been thrilled with Carson teachers and the after school program. I know 2 teachers at Franklin (from the neighborhood) and they are both just nasty people and I have not heard anything good about the after school program. I want my kids to stay at Carson. It's also closer to my home.

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We will be spending well over $200 million on Skyview and they should make any and all boundary changes needed to get it up a running with a sensible feeder pattern. No one cares if some rando decides to piss on Skyview, Carson, or Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I'm the person you're responding to and my kids are NOT AAP. We have had a great experience at Carson and would be sad to be sent over to Franklin, which we haven't heard the greatest things about.

[Anonymous]

RELEASE THE BOUNDARIES FCPS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. You can't draw a permanent boundary and give one ES community a "choice" between two schools.

What’s this referencing?

Not sure. Maybe the poster who said Lee's Corner would be given a binary choice between Westfield and Skyview.

That would be ridiculous when there are plenty of neighborhoods between Lees Corner and Westfield that are assigned to Chantilly--note those schools off Walney Rd.

But, I agree that anything is possible with Reid. The foolish way they have rolled this out is puzzling. Loudest voices?

Remember we will have three scenarios.

By binary choices I meant three scenarios where Lees Corner is moved to Skyview in one scenario or moved to Westfield in the other scenarios.

In other words, there won't be any scenario for Lees Corner families to stay in Chnatilly.

Chantilly is overcrowded and that would be a justification to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. Lees Corner families will be inclined to take the least bad option, which is probably Skyview.

I’m sorry you must be someone zoned to Chantilly at a school south of 50 who is worried that YOU will be rezoned to Westfield. There is NO WAY Lees Corner will be moved to Westfield. That is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:McNair, Coates, Floris, Oak Hill are non negotiables. The 5th school is a question - Fox Mill, Crossfield, Lees Corner, or Navy.

You are probably right.

They are supposed to provide three scenarios so I won't be suprised to see scenarios where

1. Lees Corner is included (i.e. Option E)
2. Fox Mill is included (minor variation of Option B)
3. Crossfield is included (minor variation of Option A)

Fox Mill was in options B, C, and D. I know those are no longer but it was in 3 of the initial drafts that were mentioned.

No, I think that Crossfield was in 3, but Fox Mill was in 1.

No. Both Crossfield and Fox Mill were in 3.

Options C and D were ridiculous. They kept Discovery Square at Westfield. Discovery Square is walking distance to Skyview.

Option A was the best under objective standards. Just add all of Floris.

It's meaningless to discuss the previous options. We will have new ones and most likely one of them will be Option E.

The worst one.

I actually think Option E will be selected.

RIO moms don't want Crossfield to get moved. Meren wants to protect SLHS and won't let Fox Mill go.

This time Reid will show which schools will backfill Westfield.

Lees Corners families will be given binary choices: move to Skyview or be assigned to Westfield.

I agree Option E is the worst, but with that option Reid will face the least resistance.

They have no idea how much resistance they’d face if they tried to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. No one has seriously organized against this because the idea seems so far-fetched given the school’s proximity to Chantilly. People toss the idea out because there is so little confidence in Reid’s ability to come up with sensible proposals and then defend them.

Agree. There's been no resistance only because it hasn't been proposed.

It was proposed (an RIO mommy who works at Gatehouse released it to their Facebook group and then FCPS found out and shut the site down).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I'm the person you're responding to and my kids are NOT AAP. We have had a great experience at Carson and would be sad to be sent over to Franklin, which we haven't heard the greatest things about.

I think Franklin will become an AAP center soon.

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Anonymous wrote:McNair, Coates, Floris, Oak Hill are non negotiables. The 5th school is a question - Fox Mill, Crossfield, Lees Corner, or Navy.

You are probably right.

They are supposed to provide three scenarios so I won't be suprised to see scenarios where

1. Lees Corner is included (i.e. Option E)
2. Fox Mill is included (minor variation of Option B)
3. Crossfield is included (minor variation of Option A)

Fox Mill was in options B, C, and D. I know those are no longer but it was in 3 of the initial drafts that were mentioned.

No, I think that Crossfield was in 3, but Fox Mill was in 1.

No. Both Crossfield and Fox Mill were in 3.

Options C and D were ridiculous. They kept Discovery Square at Westfield. Discovery Square is walking distance to Skyview.

Option A was the best under objective standards. Just add all of Floris.

It's meaningless to discuss the previous options. We will have new ones and most likely one of them will be Option E.

The worst one.

I actually think Option E will be selected.

RIO moms don't want Crossfield to get moved. Meren wants to protect SLHS and won't let Fox Mill go.

This time Reid will show which schools will backfill Westfield.

Lees Corners families will be given binary choices: move to Skyview or be assigned to Westfield.

I agree Option E is the worst, but with that option Reid will face the least resistance.

They have no idea how much resistance they’d face if they tried to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. No one has seriously organized against this because the idea seems so far-fetched given the school’s proximity to Chantilly. People toss the idea out because there is so little confidence in Reid’s ability to come up with sensible proposals and then defend them.

Agree. There's been no resistance only because it hasn't been proposed.

I think there’s going to be quite a bit of resistance if and when it becomes a real option. Franklin Glen families are going to be pissed. Probably Armfield Farm families too if they are currently Lees Corner. The same way Oakton has RIO moms who want their kids to play sports there, those neighborhoods have kids who want to play sports at Chantilly. I think it’s really messed up if they Lees Corner out of Chantilly just to appease Crossfield families. Completely unfair to move neighborhoods that are very close to their community high school just because some families planned poorly and purposely bought a home 10 miles from their school.

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Anonymous wrote:McNair, Coates, Floris, Oak Hill are non negotiables. The 5th school is a question - Fox Mill, Crossfield, Lees Corner, or Navy.

You are probably right.

They are supposed to provide three scenarios so I won't be suprised to see scenarios where

1. Lees Corner is included (i.e. Option E)
2. Fox Mill is included (minor variation of Option B)
3. Crossfield is included (minor variation of Option A)

Fox Mill was in options B, C, and D. I know those are no longer but it was in 3 of the initial drafts that were mentioned.

No, I think that Crossfield was in 3, but Fox Mill was in 1.

No. Both Crossfield and Fox Mill were in 3.

Options C and D were ridiculous. They kept Discovery Square at Westfield. Discovery Square is walking distance to Skyview.

Option A was the best under objective standards. Just add all of Floris.

It's meaningless to discuss the previous options. We will have new ones and most likely one of them will be Option E.

The worst one.

I actually think Option E will be selected.

RIO moms don't want Crossfield to get moved. Meren wants to protect SLHS and won't let Fox Mill go.

This time Reid will show which schools will backfill Westfield.

Lees Corners families will be given binary choices: move to Skyview or be assigned to Westfield.

I agree Option E is the worst, but with that option Reid will face the least resistance.

They have no idea how much resistance they’d face if they tried to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. No one has seriously organized against this because the idea seems so far-fetched given the school’s proximity to Chantilly. People toss the idea out because there is so little confidence in Reid’s ability to come up with sensible proposals and then defend them.

Agree. There's been no resistance only because it hasn't been proposed.

I think there’s going to be quite a bit of resistance if and when it becomes a real option. Franklin Glen families are going to be pissed. Probably Armfield Farm families too if they are currently Lees Corner. The same way Oakton has RIO moms who want their kids to play sports there, those neighborhoods have kids who want to play sports at Chantilly. I think it’s really messed up if they Lees Corner out of Chantilly just to appease Crossfield families. Completely unfair to move neighborhoods that are very close to their community high school just because some families planned poorly and purposely bought a home 10 miles from their school.

If the new HS was just off on and north of Route 50 and west of Lees Corner, I could see Lees Corner being part of the discussion. But it's not. Skyview is much further north, in the Floris area, and there are other Chantilly neighborhoods closer to Westfield. So Lees Corner does not suggest itself either for reassignment to Skyview (like Oak Hill does) or to Westfield to backfill that school (like parts of Cub Run and/or Brookfield).

It seems like only someone looking to divert attention from their own area being moved would suggest Lees Corner should be part of the equation here.

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Anonymous wrote:McNair, Coates, Floris, Oak Hill are non negotiables. The 5th school is a question - Fox Mill, Crossfield, Lees Corner, or Navy.

You are probably right.

They are supposed to provide three scenarios so I won't be suprised to see scenarios where

1. Lees Corner is included (i.e. Option E)
2. Fox Mill is included (minor variation of Option B)
3. Crossfield is included (minor variation of Option A)

Fox Mill was in options B, C, and D. I know those are no longer but it was in 3 of the initial drafts that were mentioned.

No, I think that Crossfield was in 3, but Fox Mill was in 1.

No. Both Crossfield and Fox Mill were in 3.

Options C and D were ridiculous. They kept Discovery Square at Westfield. Discovery Square is walking distance to Skyview.

Option A was the best under objective standards. Just add all of Floris.

It's meaningless to discuss the previous options. We will have new ones and most likely one of them will be Option E.

The worst one.

I actually think Option E will be selected.

RIO moms don't want Crossfield to get moved. Meren wants to protect SLHS and won't let Fox Mill go.

This time Reid will show which schools will backfill Westfield.

Lees Corners families will be given binary choices: move to Skyview or be assigned to Westfield.

I agree Option E is the worst, but with that option Reid will face the least resistance.

They have no idea how much resistance they’d face if they tried to move Lees Corner out of Chantilly. No one has seriously organized against this because the idea seems so far-fetched given the school’s proximity to Chantilly. People toss the idea out because there is so little confidence in Reid’s ability to come up with sensible proposals and then defend them.

Agree. There's been no resistance only because it hasn't been proposed.

I think there’s going to be quite a bit of resistance if and when it becomes a real option. Franklin Glen families are going to be pissed. Probably Armfield Farm families too if they are currently Lees Corner. The same way Oakton has RIO moms who want their kids to play sports there, those neighborhoods have kids who want to play sports at Chantilly. I think it’s really messed up if they Lees Corner out of Chantilly just to appease Crossfield families. Completely unfair to move neighborhoods that are very close to their community high school just because some families planned poorly and purposely bought a home 10 miles from their school.

If the new HS was just off on and north of Route 50 and west of Lees Corner, I could see Lees Corner being part of the discussion. But it's not. Skyview is much further north, in the Floris area, and there are other Chantilly neighborhoods closer to Westfield. So Lees Corner does not suggest itself either for reassignment to Skyview (like Oak Hill does) or to Westfield to backfill that school (like parts of Cub Run and/or Brookfield).

It seems like only someone looking to divert attention from their own area being moved would suggest Lees Corner should be part of the equation here.

Those of us who saw the option E before it was pulled down saw that it had Lees Corner neighborhoods moving to Skyview, along with other neighborhoods that are currently Westfield. It left Westfield very depleted. It was presumably an in-progress scenario given that they hadn't figured out who would move into Westfield to backfill the space left. For the little bit of time it was available, RIO people were encouraging others to go in and comment in favor of option E.

So if you want to know who is "looking to divert attention from their own area being moved", think about who's been lobbying the school board and Reid behind the scenes and that's likely your answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I'm the person you're responding to and my kids are NOT AAP. We have had a great experience at Carson and would be sad to be sent over to Franklin, which we haven't heard the greatest things about.

I think Franklin will become an AAP center soon.

I think this will happen literally next school year. In Kyle McDaniel's email about yesterday's school board meeting, he said they determined that FCPS will implement AAP in middle school in four phases starting with the coming school year. They also talked about how there are three different implementations of AAP in middle schools - AAP centers, non-centers that have separate AAP classes, and schools that have AAP kids but not separate AAP classes. I would guess that Phase I would be turning that first set of schools that already have separate AAP classes into centers, meaning Navy/Oak Hill/Waples kids would get kicked out of Carson and sent back to Franklin.