Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ We are notifying you that Arlington County Public Schools
Towards the end of January we are having K - 2 come back in person two days a week, and virtual two days a week. We will have sub teacher oppurtunities, instructional assistant positions, and support positions in person (temp checks, covering recess, etc.)
Virtual jobs will still be available. ”

I worked in person in a different district this year. Let me tell you, there is no chance APS is paying anything close to enough to make it worth it to go in as a sub, IA, or other support position. For anyone remotely tempted: don’t do it.

Yes. No way will I be going in under these circumstances. I’m fortunate that I have a choice.

I am spending this week of break actively applying to any other job. The good news is because our salary is garbage it won’t be hard to find something even close to what I currently make. As soon as I get an offer I’m out.

what type of jobs are you applying to that will allow you to WFH, have summers and all holidays off?

None. What makes you think I expect that? Those things are *not worth* all the other BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ We are notifying you that Arlington County Public Schools
Towards the end of January we are having K - 2 come back in person two days a week, and virtual two days a week. We will have sub teacher oppurtunities, instructional assistant positions, and support positions in person (temp checks, covering recess, etc.)
Virtual jobs will still be available. ”

I worked in person in a different district this year. Let me tell you, there is no chance APS is paying anything close to enough to make it worth it to go in as a sub, IA, or other support position. For anyone remotely tempted: don’t do it.

Yes. No way will I be going in under these circumstances. I’m fortunate that I have a choice.

I am spending this week of break actively applying to any other job. The good news is because our salary is garbage it won’t be hard to find something even close to what I currently make. As soon as I get an offer I’m out.

what type of jobs are you applying to that will allow you to WFH, have summers and all holidays off?

and a decent salary and benefits.. I think you may be in for a rude awakening.

A. We use my husbands benefits
B. My “decent” salary is literally entry level at most jobs

I understand you are invested in making teachers feel worthless, lacking in any skills, desperate, unemployable because then we stay in the system and watch your kids but what you fail to realize is the bar is set literally so low that nearly any job would still be a better trade off. I mean do you hear yourselves! You’re talking to an educated professional with multiple degrees like I’m no more qualified than washing cars and yet you think we should want to stick around in this field?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:for those that are livid about school finally starting to open up - keep your kids in DL. This doesn't need to be that hard.

You are telling people who want their kids in person that if they’re not willing to do that in JANUARY, their kids shouldn’t get to go in person all year. You can’t just flip flop in and out of these choices. If they pick DL they can’t pick hybrid again later. But they WOULD do hybrid if it wasn’t starting in friggin January. It makes MUCH more sense to wait til March when it will be safer so that people who chose hybrid based on school boards claiming they would use metrics get the choice they were presented with than to say “lol just kidding there’s no metrics, go in January when it’s the highest risk or you don’t go at all.” That is a ludicrous choice to force on people.

Yes. This is true. Also the “stay in DL” doesn’t help the poor teachers, who some of us respect and want to protect.

[Anonymous]

It is a ludicrous choice and always was. I picked DL because I suspected APS would do this. But I wanted my kid to have a shot at hybrid in March or April. It was always a bad choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ We are notifying you that Arlington County Public Schools
Towards the end of January we are having K - 2 come back in person two days a week, and virtual two days a week. We will have sub teacher oppurtunities, instructional assistant positions, and support positions in person (temp checks, covering recess, etc.)
Virtual jobs will still be available. ”

I worked in person in a different district this year. Let me tell you, there is no chance APS is paying anything close to enough to make it worth it to go in as a sub, IA, or other support position. For anyone remotely tempted: don’t do it.

Yes. No way will I be going in under these circumstances. I’m fortunate that I have a choice.

I am spending this week of break actively applying to any other job. The good news is because our salary is garbage it won’t be hard to find something even close to what I currently make. As soon as I get an offer I’m out.

what type of jobs are you applying to that will allow you to WFH, have summers and all holidays off?

and a decent salary and benefits.. I think you may be in for a rude awakening.

A. We use my husbands benefits
B. My “decent” salary is literally entry level at most jobs

I understand you are invested in making teachers feel worthless, lacking in any skills, desperate, unemployable because then we stay in the system and watch your kids but what you fail to realize is the bar is set literally so low that nearly any job would still be a better trade off. I mean do you hear yourselves! You’re talking to an educated professional with multiple degrees like I’m no more qualified than washing cars and yet you think we should want to stick around in this field?

okay- you say you have multiple degrees, and have been teaching for many years. Also, since we are on an APS thread, I assume we are talking APS. So I assume you are making approximately 80,000 a year, for a 10th month contract. The equivalent 12 month salary would be 96,000. What entry level job do you think is paying 96,000 a year?????? And will allow indefinite 100% telework?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pay-Plan-19-20.pdf

if you are thinking of continuing with online teaching of ceramics- you might look into outschool. You can set the number of classes you teach, when they are , and what you charge for them. Then you need to get to be a popular enough outschool teacher with enough students to meet your prices. Outschool takes 30%, you get 70%.
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pay-Plan-19-20.pdf

[Anonymous]

LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

[Anonymous]

also, why do you care? You diminished my entire career to teaching ceramics for crying out loud. You have NO respect for teachers or teaching. People like you constantly devalue and demean the job so why are you mad when we finally go hey you’re right this actually is a crappy job and leave?

FWIW I am not continuing with teaching or online school or education in any capacity.

[Anonymous]

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okay- you say you have multiple degrees, and have been teaching for many years. Also, since we are on an APS thread, I assume we are talking APS. So I assume you are making approximately 80,000 a year, for a 10th month contract. The equivalent 12 month salary would be 96,000. What entry level job do you think is paying 96,000 a year?????? And will allow indefinite 100% telework?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pay-Plan-19-20.pdf

You do realize there are assistants, extended day staff, etc who have multiple degrees? We have a highly educated workforce in APS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
okay- you say you have multiple degrees, and have been teaching for many years. Also, since we are on an APS thread, I assume we are talking APS. So I assume you are making approximately 80,000 a year, for a 10th month contract. The equivalent 12 month salary would be 96,000. What entry level job do you think is paying 96,000 a year?????? And will allow indefinite 100% telework?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pay-Plan-19-20.pdf

You do realize there are assistants, extended day staff, etc who have multiple degrees? We have a highly educated workforce in APS.

She also says it involves 100% indefinite telework in a thread specifically talking about how we are going back in the buildings in January LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

You don’t know jobs that pay 63k for people with multiple degrees and other work experience (because teaching is not my first and only job)? Lol ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if you are thinking of continuing with online teaching of ceramics- you might look into outschool.

Wow. Is that what you think all of our APS teachers are capable of? As a parent who has watched my ES and MS kids being taught virtually - I have so much more respect and empathy for our teachers. Are you one of those parents that pays a "tutor" to watch your kid in DL all day? Completely out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
okay- you say you have multiple degrees, and have been teaching for many years. Also, since we are on an APS thread, I assume we are talking APS. So I assume you are making approximately 80,000 a year, for a 10th month contract. The equivalent 12 month salary would be 96,000. What entry level job do you think is paying 96,000 a year?????? And will allow indefinite 100% telework?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Pay-Plan-19-20.pdf

You do realize there are assistants, extended day staff, etc who have multiple degrees? We have a highly educated workforce in APS.

assistants and extended day staff who have multiple degrees are not working those jobs b/c of the pay- they are working them b/c the hours work for them. It is really hard to find jobs that give the kind of hours you get as an assistant (school hours/ summers off). Overqualified moms work these jobs b/c they want to be home with their kids when their kids are not in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if you are thinking of continuing with online teaching of ceramics- you might look into outschool.

Wow. Is that what you think all of our APS teachers are capable of? As a parent who has watched my ES and MS kids being taught virtually - I have so much more respect and empathy for our teachers. Are you one of those parents that pays a "tutor" to watch your kid in DL all day? Completely out of touch.

actually I think outschool teachers are really great at their craft- its not insulting to suggest that a teacher who prefers virtually teaching look into doing so with an established company like outschool.

[Anonymous]

teachers - this is sad. you all have an incredibly important job and are shaping our children. Please do not let a few snarky posts get you down. There are a lot of parents that genuinely have a lot of respect for you - we put our trust in you with our children on a daily basis. This is a pandemic and everyone is going a little nutty right now.. this will all pass, but please keep your heads up