Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

Literally any “consultant” working in the Federal IT or Defense space makes more than this to start. And they top out a lot higher than teachers, and rarely have multiple degrees, and people don’t denigrate their livelihoods, even though anyone can do that job, unlike teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:teachers - this is sad. you all have an incredibly important job and are shaping our children. Please do not let a few snarky posts get you down. There are a lot of parents that genuinely have a lot of respect for you - we put our trust in you with our children on a daily basis. This is a pandemic and everyone is going a little nutty right now.. this will all pass, but please keep your heads up

It’s not even just parents who are, yes, snarky and mean. It’s that these are the parents admin and the school boards listen to and cater to which means they must agree with them to some degree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

Literally any “consultant” working in the Federal IT or Defense space makes more than this to start. And they top out a lot higher than teachers, and rarely have multiple degrees, and people don’t denigrate their livelihoods, even though anyone can do that job, unlike teaching.

Thank you. I am a published writer, I am educated, and I excelled in my field. PP seems to think I’m demanding a six figure job with unlimited vacation but I am not, and what I am seeking, I’m qualified for. I will never understand the logic of treating the people in charge of educating your children as barely literate unemployable cretins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

Literally any “consultant” working in the Federal IT or Defense space makes more than this to start. And they top out a lot higher than teachers, and rarely have multiple degrees, and people don’t denigrate their livelihoods, even though anyone can do that job, unlike teaching.

The only scenario in which a teacher starts out with a master’s + 30 is if she is a career switcher and already has a master’s in a different field. It’s rare for teachers to earn a master’s + 30 at any point in their careers, so this salary calculation is unrealistic for most in the profession.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

Literally any “consultant” working in the Federal IT or Defense space makes more than this to start. And they top out a lot higher than teachers, and rarely have multiple degrees, and people don’t denigrate their livelihoods, even though anyone can do that job, unlike teaching.

Thank you. I am a published writer, I am educated, and I excelled in my field. PP seems to think I’m demanding a six figure job with unlimited vacation but I am not, and what I am seeking, I’m qualified for. I will never understand the logic of treating the people in charge of educating your children as barely literate unemployable cretins.

pushing back using facts and published salary tables against the statement that a 'teacher with multiple degrees and many years of experience' is making the same as most entry level jobs is hardly treating someone as a cretin. The fact is, teachers do get the summers off. In comparing the salaries, you have to take that into account. Teachers use those summers for different things- some use them to be home with their kids thereby both gaining pleasure from being with their children and avoiding paying for expensive summer camp child care. Some teachers use the summer to travel, and can get jobs as 'tour guide educational leaders' which means their travel is paid for. Some teachers make a substantial additional income in the summer running the expensive child care camps, tutoring, what have you. All of these are legitimate. It isn't denigrating the profession to point this out. Simillarly, a teacher is contracted to work 7.5 hours a day, that includes a duty free lunch period of 35 minutes. I work for the federal government- I am required to have hours of 8 hours and 45 minutes a day, which includes a lunch period of 45 minutes for which I do not get paid. Much like teachers, as a professional, I also routinely exceed my 'scheduled' hours without additional compensation- but my scheduled hours start longer.

[Anonymous]

Wow this thread really jumped the shark.
Anyone have any additional info on whether they are pushing to reopen in February still?

[Anonymous]

Then go be a teacher if you think it’s so cushy. My position will be open soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread really jumped the shark.
Anyone have any additional info on whether they are pushing to reopen in February still?

They are. All local districts will send people back in January into early February

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then go be a teacher if you think it’s so cushy. My position will be open soon.

College professor is what you want to be if a cushy lifestyle is what you are after.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then go be a teacher if you think it’s so cushy. My position will be open soon.

ok

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ We are notifying you that Arlington County Public Schools
Towards the end of January we are having K - 2 come back in person two days a week, and virtual two days a week. We will have sub teacher oppurtunities, instructional assistant positions, and support positions in person (temp checks, covering recess, etc.)
Virtual jobs will still be available. ”

I worked in person in a different district this year. Let me tell you, there is no chance APS is paying anything close to enough to make it worth it to go in as a sub, IA, or other support position. For anyone remotely tempted: don’t do it.

Yes. No way will I be going in under these circumstances. I’m fortunate that I have a choice.

I am spending this week of break actively applying to any other job. The good news is because our salary is garbage it won’t be hard to find something even close to what I currently make. As soon as I get an offer I’m out.

what type of jobs are you applying to that will allow you to WFH, have summers and all holidays off?

and a decent salary and benefits.. I think you may be in for a rude awakening.

Do you have any idea what subs, IAs, and lunch monitors make? It is by no means a decent salary and in some cases (like subs) there are no benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread really jumped the shark.
Anyone have any additional info on whether they are pushing to reopen in February still?

They are. All local districts will send people back in January into early February

Still waiting for any support to all of these assertions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread really jumped the shark.
Anyone have any additional info on whether they are pushing to reopen in February still?

They are. All local districts will send people back in January into early February

Still waiting for any support to all of these assertions.

Alexandria and FFX have already announced. I was at the APS where the date was determined (pre-determined?) so you can take that however you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO I do not make 80k. You just made up an arbitrary number of years and went with that number

it wasn't totally arbitrary- you said you had multiple degrees, and had several years of experience teaching. So I went with the 'masters plus 30 units' scale and assumed about 10 years of teaching experience.

But honestly- if you go with masters plus 30 units and assume 5 years of experience- you would be making about 63k, which would turn into 76k over 12 mos. I still don't know entry level jobs (outside of biglaw) that employee people at 76k starting out.

Literally any “consultant” working in the Federal IT or Defense space makes more than this to start. And they top out a lot higher than teachers, and rarely have multiple degrees, and people don’t denigrate their livelihoods, even though anyone can do that job, unlike teaching.

The only scenario in which a teacher starts out with a master’s + 30 is if she is a career switcher and already has a master’s in a different field. It’s rare for teachers to earn a master’s + 30 at any point in their careers, so this salary calculation is unrealistic for most in the profession.

+1 I actually am a career switcher with a Master's + 30. Unfortunately because we have not had step increases for the past 4 years, and then before that there was another total of 7 years where we also did not have step increases or only partial steps, I am not making anything close to what the chart shows. Essentially I am making less now than I was 8 years ago if you factor inflation and actual increases in COL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread really jumped the shark.
Anyone have any additional info on whether they are pushing to reopen in February still?

They are. All local districts will send people back in January into early February

Still waiting for any support to all of these assertions.

Alexandria and FFX have already announced. I was at the APS where the date was determined (pre-determined?) so you can take that however you want.

Link? You seem to be the only one with this “information.”