FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?

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Anonymous wrote:That child should never have gone to those training centers. That is a horrible thing to say. If you are using your anger at soccer to target children then you have some bad karma in your way. People need to step back. If you kid can play soccer, there will be a team. I am sure all these coaches think parents are nuts.

And her mother should never use her position to manipulate a spot for her child. That's a horrible way to run an organization. No one is angry at any child. No child has been targeted. What does this have to do with all the coaches? What coaches are you talking about?

Who are you to even suggest that? Really?? Coaches kids almost have to work twice as hard because some parent will say it isn't fair that they got a spot.

Make no mistake that FCV had 8 children on that team going to those training centers. Every other club had maybe 2. You can’t say it wasn’t political. And no they weren’t that much better there was deals that were made.

And maybe that is why they are a top 10 team in ALL of the relevant age groups. Ask around and see how many 04 and 05 girls think they can make the FCV teams at that age. That is just to make the team. Now ask if they could be top 8 there.

1. Not a single 04 in Northern Virginia advanced past the local NTC (kick abouts)
2. That TOP 10 DA 04 team (as you say) didn't score against Bethesda or Maryland United. Don't think they did much better against Richmond.
3. I don't believe that the FCV 04 team was even the best 04 team in the area, let alone top 10 nationally. I believe that all signs were pointing to Arlington 04 trending in the top spot.

FCV 04 beating arlington 5-0 the last time they played (in a league game not a scrimmage) says otherwise. But you know everything. And the FCV 05 team even more dominant in the area.

You just used a 2018-2019 score to justify your opinion. I would call you dishonest if you didnt use the phrase, "The last time they played". Technically, thats true, However, that was over a year ago.
I however can you tell you this.

1. THIS YEAR, Arlington has picked up new players.
2. THIS SEASON, Penn Fusion beat FCV 04 3-0.
3. THIS SEASON, Arlington beat Penn Fusion 2-0.

Arlington has one lose. It was to Penn Fusion...2-1

FCV 04 couldn't score against local ECNL teams that other local ECNL teams were having success against. Call them scrimmages all you want. One of two things happened.

1. You used your bench and found out its not that deep
2. You used your bench and found out its not that deep

Everything is online. Go on the DA website and look at the scores between common opponents. Arlington has the edge. Stick with that

Speaking of dishonest, was an oversight to see Arlington loss to Baltimore Armor? 5-3 in November. One week after FCV beat them 3-1. Put that in your list. How does that help your argument about the bench and the strength of Arlington vs. FCV? You are a clown and a dishonest one at that.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV is owned by the St James, so it won’t fold. It’s a brand. They’ll be able to market it and its past success regardless of what league or platform it has access to. Families may also be foolish enough to fall for it.

Their previous success was heavily influenced by exclusivity: first in ECNL, then in DA. That exclusivity has eroded over the last few years. Not only does it no longer exists for them, they’re on the outside looking in.

It’ll be up to families to decide whether their program can still deliver the results (college recruiting, NTC invites, etc). I suspect there will be diminishing returns in that department, but it’ll be gradual, not immediate.

St. James is VC backed and must be bleeding cash badly by being shut down right now. They may go under soon. And if they do, so does FCV.

Another fact-free statement.

Regardless FCV, the club that always has something to say all day every day, has had nothing to say since this happened. Even Pups has limited himself to liking other people's tweets. No ECNL anytime soon.....

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Anonymous wrote:FCV is owned by the St James, so it won’t fold. It’s a brand. They’ll be able to market it and its past success regardless of what league or platform it has access to. Families may also be foolish enough to fall for it.

Their previous success was heavily influenced by exclusivity: first in ECNL, then in DA. That exclusivity has eroded over the last few years. Not only does it no longer exists for them, they’re on the outside looking in.

It’ll be up to families to decide whether their program can still deliver the results (college recruiting, NTC invites, etc). I suspect there will be diminishing returns in that department, but it’ll be gradual, not immediate.

St. James is VC backed and must be bleeding cash badly by being shut down right now. They may go under soon. And if they do, so does FCV.

Another fact-free statement.

Regardless FCV, the club that always has something to say all day every day, has had nothing to say since this happened. Even Pups has limited himself to liking other people's tweets. No ECNL anytime soon.....

Not FCV but it would be fun to see both FCV and Arlington join ECNL and see this taken to the field.

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Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

How many ex-DA players do you think ECNL clubs will take on without a tryout?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:YTC=youth training center. This is the regional invite for youth national team training to develop the player pool. While they definitely get players around here to this level it’s very difficult beyond it to the next level-I think only 1 girl made it made it from FCV if you look at the lists. The person being referenced to in this thread, Diane Drake, is a talent scout for this program.

https://www.ussoccer.com/talent-identification/ynt-identification-centers

Ellie Wheeler -(#18) BEST player to ever - I mean EVER to come thru the FCV program. She received a full ride to Penn State, was the top scorer on all FCV teams she played on, was one of the top scorers on the DA league multiple years in a row...but..because her parents are normal and don't talk German soccer everyday with the FCV coaches, and because her parents don't vacation / holiday with coaches or host foreign players from Germany for year, or send coaches families gifts.. she didnt get selected for training centers or national teams until she jumped to Penn State.

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2020/03/u19-uswnt-falls-to-sweden-2-1-in-final-match-of-la-manga-tournament-in-spain

How is it lower level players with crappy stats are selected ?

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Anonymous wrote:Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

I so struggle with the "sign as many ex-DA players as possible" by 5/1 concept. My DD is ex-DA. She is a solid player/regular starter. At a tryout I certainly believe she would get an offer (yes, I think she's one of the top 4-6 in the area in her position).... BUT. I don't 100% know. I haven't seen everyone in the area in her position play and i fully acknowledge that. I can't imagine that all the ECNL coaches have seen ALL the players at every position play. Probably haven't even heard of a lot of them -- I doubt they have heard of my DD and I don't think they should have -- they are busy with their own clubs, players, and league. So on what basis are they making these 5/1 offers? Politics?

Yes, there are known quantities -- strikers and keepers and call-ups (although who even knows about that process). If you need one of those positions and they come calling you certainly consider. But there are 11 players on the field at a time -- many of them aren't playing roles that demand you know their name. That's just how the game works.

Finally, the longer this drags out, the more only the most motivated are going to keep up their training. Some players are just not going to be the same (at least in the short run) by next winter as they were at their last practice in early March... (My DD is older, but I especially think this issue will be noticeable at the younger ages where players are still physically developing as well.) So you make an offer on 5/1 because a player was ex-DA and displace your existing players at her position AND pick her over any other given ex-DA player at that position, not knowing how intrinsically motivated she is.... all sight unseen?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCV is owned by the St James, so it won’t fold. It’s a brand. They’ll be able to market it and its past success regardless of what league or platform it has access to. Families may also be foolish enough to fall for it.

Their previous success was heavily influenced by exclusivity: first in ECNL, then in DA. That exclusivity has eroded over the last few years. Not only does it no longer exists for them, they’re on the outside looking in.

It’ll be up to families to decide whether their program can still deliver the results (college recruiting, NTC invites, etc). I suspect there will be diminishing returns in that department, but it’ll be gradual, not immediate.

St. James is VC backed and must be bleeding cash badly by being shut down right now. They may go under soon. And if they do, so does FCV.

Another fact-free statement.

Uh, how is it fact free? Two partners (local) built and financed it. It’s 450,000 square feet that depends on rate of use and play to keep revenue going to pay the notes. It is not a global corporate entity like Golds Gym. They also had been extending to Chicago for a second location. With only gym memberships coming in and no leasing of the facility for almost 2 months (17% of their revenue stream - or more) and no restaurant revenue etc., how long can they go before they choose to shed assets like FCV or have to file for bankruptcy? You may be fact free in that brain of yours. Math....

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/225756-01

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:YTC=youth training center. This is the regional invite for youth national team training to develop the player pool. While they definitely get players around here to this level it’s very difficult beyond it to the next level-I think only 1 girl made it made it from FCV if you look at the lists. The person being referenced to in this thread, Diane Drake, is a talent scout for this program.

https://www.ussoccer.com/talent-identification/ynt-identification-centers

Ellie Wheeler -(#18) BEST player to ever - I mean EVER to come thru the FCV program. She received a full ride to Penn State, was the top scorer on all FCV teams she played on, was one of the top scorers on the DA league multiple years in a row...but..because her parents are normal and don't talk German soccer everyday with the FCV coaches, and because her parents don't vacation / holiday with coaches or host foreign players from Germany for year, or send coaches families gifts.. she didnt get selected for training centers or national teams until she jumped to Penn State.

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2020/03/u19-uswnt-falls-to-sweden-2-1-in-final-match-of-la-manga-tournament-in-spain

How is it lower level players with crappy stats are selected ?

Agree with some of the thoughts here, but she went to a U17 camp in July 2018, and she did go to training centers.

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Anonymous wrote:YTC=youth training center. This is the regional invite for youth national team training to develop the player pool. While they definitely get players around here to this level it’s very difficult beyond it to the next level-I think only 1 girl made it made it from FCV if you look at the lists. The person being referenced to in this thread, Diane Drake, is a talent scout for this program.

https://www.ussoccer.com/talent-identification/ynt-identification-centers

Ellie Wheeler -(#18) BEST player to ever - I mean EVER to come thru the FCV program. She received a full ride to Penn State, was the top scorer on all FCV teams she played on, was one of the top scorers on the DA league multiple years in a row...but..because her parents are normal and don't talk German soccer everyday with the FCV coaches, and because her parents don't vacation / holiday with coaches or host foreign players from Germany for year, or send coaches families gifts.. she didnt get selected for training centers or national teams until she jumped to Penn State.

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2020/03/u19-uswnt-falls-to-sweden-2-1-in-final-match-of-la-manga-tournament-in-spain

How is it lower level players with crappy stats are selected ?

Emily Fox??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

I so struggle with the "sign as many ex-DA players as possible" by 5/1 concept. My DD is ex-DA. She is a solid player/regular starter. At a tryout I certainly believe she would get an offer (yes, I think she's one of the top 4-6 in the area in her position).... BUT. I don't 100% know. I haven't seen everyone in the area in her position play and i fully acknowledge that. I can't imagine that all the ECNL coaches have seen ALL the players at every position play. Probably haven't even heard of a lot of them -- I doubt they have heard of my DD and I don't think they should have -- they are busy with their own clubs, players, and league. So on what basis are they making these 5/1 offers? Politics?

Yes, there are known quantities -- strikers and keepers and call-ups (although who even knows about that process). If you need one of those positions and they come calling you certainly consider. But there are 11 players on the field at a time -- many of them aren't playing roles that demand you know their name. That's just how the game works.

Finally, the longer this drags out, the more only the most motivated are going to keep up their training. Some players are just not going to be the same (at least in the short run) by next winter as they were at their last practice in early March... (My DD is older, but I especially think this issue will be noticeable at the younger ages where players are still physically developing as well.) So you make an offer on 5/1 because a player was ex-DA and displace your existing players at her position AND pick her over any other given ex-DA player at that position, not knowing how intrinsically motivated she is.... all sight unseen?

Its your belief that your daughter is top 4-5 in her area while also admitting that you don't know all the players or seen all the players perform. Ponder on that a wee bit. Its that type of assumption that will get your daughter left in the cold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

I so struggle with the "sign as many ex-DA players as possible" by 5/1 concept. My DD is ex-DA. She is a solid player/regular starter. At a tryout I certainly believe she would get an offer (yes, I think she's one of the top 4-6 in the area in her position).... BUT. I don't 100% know. I haven't seen everyone in the area in her position play and i fully acknowledge that. I can't imagine that all the ECNL coaches have seen ALL the players at every position play. Probably haven't even heard of a lot of them -- I doubt they have heard of my DD and I don't think they should have -- they are busy with their own clubs, players, and league. So on what basis are they making these 5/1 offers? Politics?

Yes, there are known quantities -- strikers and keepers and call-ups (although who even knows about that process). If you need one of those positions and they come calling you certainly consider. But there are 11 players on the field at a time -- many of them aren't playing roles that demand you know their name. That's just how the game works.

Finally, the longer this drags out, the more only the most motivated are going to keep up their training. Some players are just not going to be the same (at least in the short run) by next winter as they were at their last practice in early March... (My DD is older, but I especially think this issue will be noticeable at the younger ages where players are still physically developing as well.) So you make an offer on 5/1 because a player was ex-DA and displace your existing players at her position AND pick her over any other given ex-DA player at that position, not knowing how intrinsically motivated she is.... all sight unseen?

Thank you for one of the first rational posts here. We are on the other side of this. My DD is an ECNL player. All 4 VA NoVA ECNL are teams are similar in that the bottom half dozen spots give or take, are obviously at risk to top 6 (at your team) ex-DA players. Beyond that, I think it will be hard for ECNL coaches to not give the benefit of the doubt to current players, especially without a tryout. Some coaches are going to be more aggressive than others perhaps, and there is new coaching at probably 3 of these clubs. Also factor in that there will be more reluctance to displace older players. I suspect there will be more change at U14 than at U17 for various reasons.

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The bottom half dozen? Good Lord, what club has 24 kids on the roster?

Piece of advice. Run far far away from that club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCV is owned by the St James, so it won’t fold. It’s a brand. They’ll be able to market it and its past success regardless of what league or platform it has access to. Families may also be foolish enough to fall for it.

Their previous success was heavily influenced by exclusivity: first in ECNL, then in DA. That exclusivity has eroded over the last few years. Not only does it no longer exists for them, they’re on the outside looking in.

It’ll be up to families to decide whether their program can still deliver the results (college recruiting, NTC invites, etc). I suspect there will be diminishing returns in that department, but it’ll be gradual, not immediate.

St. James is VC backed and must be bleeding cash badly by being shut down right now. They may go under soon. And if they do, so does FCV.

Another fact-free statement.

Uh, how is it fact free? Two partners (local) built and financed it. It’s 450,000 square feet that depends on rate of use and play to keep revenue going to pay the notes. It is not a global corporate entity like Golds Gym. They also had been extending to Chicago for a second location. With only gym memberships coming in and no leasing of the facility for almost 2 months (17% of their revenue stream - or more) and no restaurant revenue etc., how long can they go before they choose to shed assets like FCV or have to file for bankruptcy? You may be fact free in that brain of yours. Math....

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/225756-01

It’s VC backed out of the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are FCV parents being surveyed now to see how many players are willing to stay another year in a new league that’s not ECNL? I’ll bet that is part of the silence until they know if they have enough to forge on. That would likely require Ecnl clubs to mark offers when they can on May 1 to sign as many ex-DA players as possible. I don’t think people will leave unofficially and hope ECNL works out for DD whenever they can have tryouts which isn’t looking forthcoming anytime soon either!!

I so struggle with the "sign as many ex-DA players as possible" by 5/1 concept. My DD is ex-DA. She is a solid player/regular starter. At a tryout I certainly believe she would get an offer (yes, I think she's one of the top 4-6 in the area in her position).... BUT. I don't 100% know. I haven't seen everyone in the area in her position play and i fully acknowledge that. I can't imagine that all the ECNL coaches have seen ALL the players at every position play. Probably haven't even heard of a lot of them -- I doubt they have heard of my DD and I don't think they should have -- they are busy with their own clubs, players, and league. So on what basis are they making these 5/1 offers? Politics?

Yes, there are known quantities -- strikers and keepers and call-ups (although who even knows about that process). If you need one of those positions and they come calling you certainly consider. But there are 11 players on the field at a time -- many of them aren't playing roles that demand you know their name. That's just how the game works.

Finally, the longer this drags out, the more only the most motivated are going to keep up their training. Some players are just not going to be the same (at least in the short run) by next winter as they were at their last practice in early March... (My DD is older, but I especially think this issue will be noticeable at the younger ages where players are still physically developing as well.) So you make an offer on 5/1 because a player was ex-DA and displace your existing players at her position AND pick her over any other given ex-DA player at that position, not knowing how intrinsically motivated she is.... all sight unseen?

Its your belief that your daughter is top 4-5 in her area while also admitting that you don't know all the players or seen all the players perform. Ponder on that a wee bit. Its that type of assumption that will get your daughter left in the cold.

No, I'm just trying to be practical and not bragging that she is all that. I have seen how she does at ID camps, etc., so I do believe she is solid. But I'm not going to talk about players I haven't seen. I admit that none of us have seen them all. Not being overly confident has to be the way to go in this environment because there is so much uncertainty. And I don't want her left out in the call because of back door deals that are happening...