Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

Typically values drop when the school zoning changes from a desirable school to a not so desirable one. I recall Herndon area homes being affected when some were rezoned to South Lakes from Oakton (I think, don't recall the details) but in this case, I don't think the exodus will large enough to justify a wholesale price drop in Herndon/Reston. And obviously, this is pure speculation on my part..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

Typically values drop when the school zoning changes from a desirable school to a not so desirable one. I recall Herndon area homes being affected when some were rezoned to South Lakes from Oakton (I think, don't recall the details) but in this case, I don't think the exodus will large enough to justify a wholesale price drop in Herndon/Reston. And obviously, this is pure speculation on my part..

I'm not sure how this all works on a macro scale, but I know I was drawn to FCPS 5 yrs ago because I heard about TJ, and it sort of made me think the whole school district was as excellent, and that is what everyone seemed to be saying. Now I know better, but I imagine TJ's reputation affects a lot of people's perceptions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

It wasn’t very kind of you to subject your DC to this. Asia’s are unapologetically racist at TJ.

A few points here—

I didn’t subject my kid to anything. We allowed him to apply, which in a Carson feeder was something most kids at least considered. And I think his attending was the right call. His social and academic needs would not have been met at a base school. And we had a serious discussion after the first year about whether he would return. It took a toll, and we wanted to have him really think about what he wanted the rest of high school to look like. As a parent, I had serious reservations about the stress and workload. My child insisted on staying. My other child didn’t apply to TJ, doesn’t need it to fit in, thrive or be challenged, and is doing great at the base school. I don’t think TJ is the best choice for every kid, or most kids. And I think it’s a bad idea for attendance to be parent driven.

Second, I found many of the parents to be racist. But my kid didn’t go to school with the parents. The kids are ... kids. Racism wasn’t really an issue from the kids. And I don’t blame kids for their parents mistakes.

Finally, my kid will probably spend the rest of his life being in the majority as a white male. I love his college choice, but it is very white. I don’t think the experience of being a minority hurt him one bit. It broadened his horizons, and hopefully will make him more empathetic as an adult. Plus— he realized that he could do a lot worse than us as parents. We’re pretty strict for white parents. But relaxed by Asian parent standards. So, he was thankful we put so much less pressure on grades (hard won Bs an be something to celebrate) and Harvard (not going) and fealty to elders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure that pointing to the option school model in APS is very relevant to the problems created or exacerbated by TJ. It's hardly a lottery school; rather, it's an invitation-only school that has very skewed admissions practices.

In addition, the option schools in APS educate kids in APS, not a whole host of other jurisdictions. So they don't take seats that otherwise might be available to other APS students. They simply reallocate them differently within APS. In contrast, TJ's operation as a regional magnet in a county with multiple overcrowded schools makes the overcrowding at other schools within FCPS worse.

And the very TJ parents who otherwise might play a role in addressing those problems throw up their hands, profess indifference to the impact on other schools and students, and insist vehemently that their kids should continue to get a better deal than everyone else. Absolutely revolting.

I think the total number of non-FCPS kids at TJ is less than 500. So that means that even if all of those kids disappeared from TJ, you would be adding a total of about 20 kids per high school over the whole system. Its just not a large amount of kids, relative to the size of FCPS. And those other jurisdictions pay money to FCPS (not to mention the money received from the state because of its status as a Governor's School). Sure TJ's existence creates some negative impacts on some students, but closing TJ would simply mean that different students would suffer different negative impacts. What makes the FCPS kids at TJ less important than kids at other schools?

Flawed analysis.

If TJ's enrollment wasn't capped because it's currently a Governor's school, the enrollment there could be greater than it is today, so it open up substantially more than 500 seats. That, in turn, would both relieve overcrowding at other schools and save money. And we all know that TJ kids are treated more importantly than kids anywhere else in FCPS and that returning TJ to its original use as a neighborhood high school means those kids might be treated equally for a change. Which is unacceptable to the TJ parents who keep coming up with bogus arguments to justify the preferential treatment their kids are receiving at the expense of other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Those kids are mostly zoned for Oakton and Chantilly, not Herndon and South Lakes.

However, if they were attending their base schools, boundaries would need to be adjusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

Typically values drop when the school zoning changes from a desirable school to a not so desirable one. I recall Herndon area homes being affected when some were rezoned to South Lakes from Oakton (I think, don't recall the details) but in this case, I don't think the exodus will large enough to justify a wholesale price drop in Herndon/Reston. And obviously, this is pure speculation on my part..

I'm not sure how this all works on a macro scale, but I know I was drawn to FCPS 5 yrs ago because I heard about TJ, and it sort of made me think the whole school district was as excellent, and that is what everyone seemed to be saying. Now I know better, but I imagine TJ's reputation affects a lot of people's perceptions.

There was always a marketing/PR component to TJ, but the tide has turned. People see the hypocrisy of a system that pretends to care about equity, but doesn't walk the walk. APS and LCPS are eating FCPS alive these days as better alternatives for people who look beyond the headlines and do more research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

Typically values drop when the school zoning changes from a desirable school to a not so desirable one. I recall Herndon area homes being affected when some were rezoned to South Lakes from Oakton (I think, don't recall the details) but in this case, I don't think the exodus will large enough to justify a wholesale price drop in Herndon/Reston. And obviously, this is pure speculation on my part..

I'm not sure how this all works on a macro scale, but I know I was drawn to FCPS 5 yrs ago because I heard about TJ, and it sort of made me think the whole school district was as excellent, and that is what everyone seemed to be saying. Now I know better, but I imagine TJ's reputation affects a lot of people's perceptions.

There was always a marketing/PR component to TJ, but the tide has turned. People see the hypocrisy of a system that pretends to care about equity, but doesn't walk the walk. APS and LCPS are eating FCPS alive these days as better alternatives for people who look beyond the headlines and do more research.

Again your words are full of bias and propaganda. So we don’t give a crap about our hypocrisy and what you have to say. Move on..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Your answer assumes that I live in one of those higher rent areas, though. I'd be screwed.

Typically values drop when the school zoning changes from a desirable school to a not so desirable one. I recall Herndon area homes being affected when some were rezoned to South Lakes from Oakton (I think, don't recall the details) but in this case, I don't think the exodus will large enough to justify a wholesale price drop in Herndon/Reston. And obviously, this is pure speculation on my part..

I'm not sure how this all works on a macro scale, but I know I was drawn to FCPS 5 yrs ago because I heard about TJ, and it sort of made me think the whole school district was as excellent, and that is what everyone seemed to be saying. Now I know better, but I imagine TJ's reputation affects a lot of people's perceptions.

There was always a marketing/PR component to TJ, but the tide has turned. People see the hypocrisy of a system that pretends to care about equity, but doesn't walk the walk. APS and LCPS are eating FCPS alive these days as better alternatives for people who look beyond the headlines and do more research.

Again your words are full of bias and propaganda. So we don’t give a crap about your hypocrisy and what you have to say. Move on..

[Anonymous]

Interesting that posts suggesting a need to reconsider the relative pros and cons of TJHSST are met with insults and dismissals, and yet the TJ boosters seem adamant to have the last word on the subject.

Perhaps they are not as sure what such a review might conclude as they'd like to assert. All the more reason to undertake one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that posts suggesting a need to reconsider the relative pros and cons of TJHSST are met with insults and dismissals, and yet the TJ boosters seem adamant to have the last word on the subject.

Perhaps they are not as sure what such a review might conclude as they'd like to assert. All the more reason to undertake one.

So calling people racist without any concrete examples is considered as assessing relative pros and cons, while disagreeing with your argument becomes insults to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Fairfax County resident but with grown kids so I have no skin in the game at this point, and I honestly couldn't read through every page of this discussion (though I find it interesting how much attention it is garnering), but I get the gist of the varying viewpoints and why everyone would be so fired up. However, regardless of what anyone thinks about TJ, don't you think getting rid of it would affect our real estate values? I know it's a bit selfish of me, but I'm going to sell in about 5-10 years, and I'm fairly confident that an FCPS without TJ would not be as desirable to buyers and industry alike. OK, fire away... I've armoured myself for your abuse...

. I'm one of the pro-TJ posters. One kid about to be done with TJ and another at a base HS since I will not have skin in the game in about a year. I'm mainly posting to shut up the racists.

I don't think RE values will be impacted if TJ is gone. It might actually go up if your school is a good one. For example, a lot of the TJ kids come from the Herndon/Reston area. They are zoned to South Lakes or Herndon High. If TJ is gone, those parents will move to other areas zoned to Oakton, Madison or Mclean to get a "better" education for their kids and RE values in that area will go up.

Those kids are mostly zoned for Oakton and Chantilly, not Herndon and South Lakes.

However, if they were attending their base schools, boundaries would need to be adjusted.

They definately would. RRMS and Carson both feed lids into Chantilly, which is so incredibly overcrowded. They would probably get 160-200 kids back. The capacity isn’t there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure that pointing to the option school model in APS is very relevant to the problems created or exacerbated by TJ. It's hardly a lottery school; rather, it's an invitation-only school that has very skewed admissions practices.

In addition, the option schools in APS educate kids in APS, not a whole host of other jurisdictions. So they don't take seats that otherwise might be available to other APS students. They simply reallocate them differently within APS. In contrast, TJ's operation as a regional magnet in a county with multiple overcrowded schools makes the overcrowding at other schools within FCPS worse.

And the very TJ parents who otherwise might play a role in addressing those problems throw up their hands, profess indifference to the impact on other schools and students, and insist vehemently that their kids should continue to get a better deal than everyone else. Absolutely revolting.

I think the total number of non-FCPS kids at TJ is less than 500. So that means that even if all of those kids disappeared from TJ, you would be adding a total of about 20 kids per high school over the whole system. Its just not a large amount of kids, relative to the size of FCPS. And those other jurisdictions pay money to FCPS (not to mention the money received from the state because of its status as a Governor's School). Sure TJ's existence creates some negative impacts on some students, but closing TJ would simply mean that different students would suffer different negative impacts. What makes the FCPS kids at TJ less important than kids at other schools?

Flawed analysis.

If TJ's enrollment wasn't capped because it's currently a Governor's school, the enrollment there could be greater than it is today, so it open up substantially more than 500 seats. That, in turn, would both relieve overcrowding at other schools and save money. And we all know that TJ kids are treated more importantly than kids anywhere else in FCPS and that returning TJ to its original use as a neighborhood high school means those kids might be treated equally for a change. Which is unacceptable to the TJ parents who keep coming up with bogus arguments to justify the preferential treatment their kids are receiving at the expense of other students.

So what would you suggest replace gifted education? Or are we also going to get rid of the other end of the spectrum (special ed) bc everyone should get exactly the same education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure that pointing to the option school model in APS is very relevant to the problems created or exacerbated by TJ. It's hardly a lottery school; rather, it's an invitation-only school that has very skewed admissions practices.

In addition, the option schools in APS educate kids in APS, not a whole host of other jurisdictions. So they don't take seats that otherwise might be available to other APS students. They simply reallocate them differently within APS. In contrast, TJ's operation as a regional magnet in a county with multiple overcrowded schools makes the overcrowding at other schools within FCPS worse.

And the very TJ parents who otherwise might play a role in addressing those problems throw up their hands, profess indifference to the impact on other schools and students, and insist vehemently that their kids should continue to get a better deal than everyone else. Absolutely revolting.

I think the total number of non-FCPS kids at TJ is less than 500. So that means that even if all of those kids disappeared from TJ, you would be adding a total of about 20 kids per high school over the whole system. Its just not a large amount of kids, relative to the size of FCPS. And those other jurisdictions pay money to FCPS (not to mention the money received from the state because of its status as a Governor's School). Sure TJ's existence creates some negative impacts on some students, but closing TJ would simply mean that different students would suffer different negative impacts. What makes the FCPS kids at TJ less important than kids at other schools?

Flawed analysis.

If TJ's enrollment wasn't capped because it's currently a Governor's school, the enrollment there could be greater than it is today, so it open up substantially more than 500 seats. That, in turn, would both relieve overcrowding at other schools and save money. And we all know that TJ kids are treated more importantly than kids anywhere else in FCPS and that returning TJ to its original use as a neighborhood high school means those kids might be treated equally for a change. Which is unacceptable to the TJ parents who keep coming up with bogus arguments to justify the preferential treatment their kids are receiving at the expense of other students.

So what would you suggest replace gifted education? Or are we also going to get rid of the other end of the spectrum (special ed) bc everyone should get exactly the same education?

You know very well, or should know, that most students receive advanced academics in compliance with all applicable state and federal laws without attending segregated magnets like TJ. At a minimum, FCPS should be asking itself why other systems, apart from some large cities like NYC and SF, generally have chosen not to follow that model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure that pointing to the option school model in APS is very relevant to the problems created or exacerbated by TJ. It's hardly a lottery school; rather, it's an invitation-only school that has very skewed admissions practices.

In addition, the option schools in APS educate kids in APS, not a whole host of other jurisdictions. So they don't take seats that otherwise might be available to other APS students. They simply reallocate them differently within APS. In contrast, TJ's operation as a regional magnet in a county with multiple overcrowded schools makes the overcrowding at other schools within FCPS worse.

And the very TJ parents who otherwise might play a role in addressing those problems throw up their hands, profess indifference to the impact on other schools and students, and insist vehemently that their kids should continue to get a better deal than everyone else. Absolutely revolting.

I think the total number of non-FCPS kids at TJ is less than 500. So that means that even if all of those kids disappeared from TJ, you would be adding a total of about 20 kids per high school over the whole system. Its just not a large amount of kids, relative to the size of FCPS. And those other jurisdictions pay money to FCPS (not to mention the money received from the state because of its status as a Governor's School). Sure TJ's existence creates some negative impacts on some students, but closing TJ would simply mean that different students would suffer different negative impacts. What makes the FCPS kids at TJ less important than kids at other schools?

Flawed analysis.

If TJ's enrollment wasn't capped because it's currently a Governor's school, the enrollment there could be greater than it is today, so it open up substantially more than 500 seats. That, in turn, would both relieve overcrowding at other schools and save money. And we all know that TJ kids are treated more importantly than kids anywhere else in FCPS and that returning TJ to its original use as a neighborhood high school means those kids might be treated equally for a change. Which is unacceptable to the TJ parents who keep coming up with bogus arguments to justify the preferential treatment their kids are receiving at the expense of other students.

So what would you suggest replace gifted education? Or are we also going to get rid of the other end of the spectrum (special ed) bc everyone should get exactly the same education?

You know very well, or should know, that most students receive advanced academics in compliance with all applicable state and federal laws without attending segregated magnets like TJ. At a minimum, FCPS should be asking itself why other systems, apart from some large cities like NYC and SF, generally have chosen not to follow that model.

I don't think you're in right mental state. You should seek medical help.