Robert Frost beats Takoma Park in Mathcounts

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Anonymous wrote:

While they haven't flat out said this, it seems MCPS is looking for outliers in each school. There's no quota (5 kids per school or whatever) but they want every sending middle school to be represented and they want to grab kids who really stand above the crowd in their home school. The effect of this is of course going to be that it is easier to stand out if you are coming from a high-needs school than one where most kids enjoy the same advantages. So, yes, kids were admitted who would otherwise have attended Frost, and their scores were almost certainly higher than the kids admitted who would have otherwise attended Lee.

This is a really stupid way to do things based on how uneven the distribution of very high performers is throughout the county. The top "outlier" at many schools is at the bottom of the top group at other schools. You end up with kids who would get more out of a harder program being blocked while offering entry to kids who can barely make it or need to have the standard lowered. It has done nothing to help URM kids.

The enriched track should be available at every school. For the schools that truly do not have 20 kids that can not qualify for the enriched track then they can opt to be bused to the closest school that has an enriched track.

The magnet should be for the actual gifted and top performing students regardless of where they come from, what their gender is, what their race is, or whether they are poor or rich. There should be no special set aside spots and no lessening of any of the expectations. No one should be surprised that the magnet is overrepresented by kids of surgeons and NIH researchers and underrepresented by kids of HR wellness coordinators, non-profit administrators or communications staff.

For URM students, MCPS should do something with the early gifted testing results in 2nd grade and any URM kid scoring high should be given access to an after school scholars program to do enriched work and full summer programs for gifted kids to ensure that they can make it into the enriched track and potentially the magnet track on their merit.

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While they haven't flat out said this, it seems MCPS is looking for outliers in each school. There's no quota (5 kids per school or whatever) but they want every sending middle school to be represented and they want to grab kids who really stand above the crowd in their home school. The effect of this is of course going to be that it is easier to stand out if you are coming from a high-needs school than one where most kids enjoy the same advantages. So, yes, kids were admitted who would otherwise have attended Frost, and their scores were almost certainly higher than the kids admitted who would have otherwise attended Lee.

This is a really stupid way to do things based on how uneven the distribution of very high performers is throughout the county. The top "outlier" at many schools is at the bottom of the top group at other schools. You end up with kids who would get more out of a harder program being blocked while offering entry to kids who can barely make it or need to have the standard lowered. It has done nothing to help URM kids.

The enriched track should be available at every school. For the schools that truly do not have 20 kids that can not qualify for the enriched track then they can opt to be bused to the closest school that has an enriched track.

The magnet should be for the actual gifted and top performing students regardless of where they come from, what their gender is, what their race is, or whether they are poor or rich. There should be no special set aside spots and no lessening of any of the expectations. No one should be surprised that the magnet is overrepresented by kids of surgeons and NIH researchers and underrepresented by kids of HR wellness coordinators, non-profit administrators or communications staff.

For URM students, MCPS should do something with the early gifted testing results in 2nd grade and any URM kid scoring high should be given access to an after school scholars program to do enriched work and full summer programs for gifted kids to ensure that they can make it into the enriched track and potentially the magnet track on their merit.

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Congratulations on admission. So glad your DC will have more classes at , or at least near, his learning level. Maybe just don't read any of these threads for your own sanity. The new screening process is broader and finds more gems. Some schools that had a (recent) history of sending a large percentage on to TPMS magnet had that change dramatically with the institution of peer cohort. Though they then got classes that could skip a year or more of math. It is a giant factory like school system. More kids are receiving better matched classes than under the pre cohort system. That is, as expected by many, becoming less so each year as MCPS or the individual schools keep broadening the effective definition of cohort.

[Anonymous]

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

I’ll look out for you! Hopefully the rest of the magnet parents will be like us and not like the bitter snobs on this thread who are likely slamming the program because their kids didn’t make the cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

I’ll look out for you! Hopefully the rest of the magnet parents will be like us and not like the bitter snobs on this thread who are likely slamming the program because their kids didn’t make the cut.

eh.. some of us aren't bitter snobs, but just concerned about the direction of magnets. My kid didn't bother applying to MS magnet 4 years ago, so before the peer cohort criteria. Too far. And I don't live in a W cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another Frost parent here. I think instead of spending our energy in this kind of somewhat narrow-minded discussions, we should look at the bigger picture. We should brainstorm how to make US primary education system competitive internationally. To maintain our global economic leadership, we should definitely nurture our "superstars" while lifting the standard of "general" education. These can be achieved simultaneously, we don't have to sacrifice one for the other. Despite its very big size, MCPS is still doing very well. We should discuss how to make it even better.

You make too much sense. By the way I agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While they haven't flat out said this, it seems MCPS is looking for outliers in each school. There's no quota (5 kids per school or whatever) but they want every sending middle school to be represented and they want to grab kids who really stand above the crowd in their home school. The effect of this is of course going to be that it is easier to stand out if you are coming from a high-needs school than one where most kids enjoy the same advantages. So, yes, kids were admitted who would otherwise have attended Frost, and their scores were almost certainly higher than the kids admitted who would have otherwise attended Lee.

This is a really stupid way to do things based on how uneven the distribution of very high performers is throughout the county. The top "outlier" at many schools is at the bottom of the top group at other schools. You end up with kids who would get more out of a harder program being blocked while offering entry to kids who can barely make it or need to have the standard lowered. It has done nothing to help URM kids.

The enriched track should be available at every school. For the schools that truly do not have 20 kids that can not qualify for the enriched track then they can opt to be bused to the closest school that has an enriched track.

The magnet should be for the actual gifted and top performing students regardless of where they come from, what their gender is, what their race is, or whether they are poor or rich. There should be no special set aside spots and no lessening of any of the expectations. No one should be surprised that the magnet is overrepresented by kids of surgeons and NIH researchers and underrepresented by kids of HR wellness coordinators, non-profit administrators or communications staff.

For URM students, MCPS should do something with the early gifted testing results in 2nd grade and any URM kid scoring high should be given access to an after school scholars program to do enriched work and full summer programs for gifted kids to ensure that they can make it into the enriched track and potentially the magnet track on their merit.

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Congratulations on admission. So glad your DC will have more classes at , or at least near, his learning level. Maybe just don't read any of these threads for your own sanity. The new screening process is broader and finds more gems. Some schools that had a (recent) history of sending a large percentage on to TPMS magnet had that change dramatically with the institution of peer cohort. Though they then got classes that could skip a year or more of math. It is a giant factory like school system. More kids are receiving better matched classes than under the pre cohort system. That is, as expected by many, becoming less so each year as MCPS or the individual schools keep broadening the effective definition of cohort.

The school that used to send all those kids every year happens to be the same school that has a bus that takes kids to Dr. Li's every day for prep classes. It's fine that these kids work so hard, but one goal of the new admissions process was to find gems as you say and a big part of that was to reduce the impact prep had on admissions since it made averages kids seem gifted and many gifted kids were overlooked.. A big part of this debate is the parents from those schools feel entitled. They were used to gaming the system and now rail against the changes since they can no longer assure admission by taking prep classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

I’ll look out for you! Hopefully the rest of the magnet parents will be like us and not like the bitter snobs on this thread who are likely slamming the program because their kids didn’t make the cut.

eh.. some of us aren't bitter snobs, but just concerned about the direction of magnets. My kid didn't bother applying to MS magnet 4 years ago, so before the peer cohort criteria. Too far. And I don't live in a W cluster.

Stop worrying then all the data indicates they're admitting the best and brightest some of which had less prep than in years past. By the time these kids are in 8th, it should be evident, but these parents will have something new to complain about like the boundary analysis..

[Anonymous]

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While they haven't flat out said this, it seems MCPS is looking for outliers in each school. There's no quota (5 kids per school or whatever) but they want every sending middle school to be represented and they want to grab kids who really stand above the crowd in their home school. The effect of this is of course going to be that it is easier to stand out if you are coming from a high-needs school than one where most kids enjoy the same advantages. So, yes, kids were admitted who would otherwise have attended Frost, and their scores were almost certainly higher than the kids admitted who would have otherwise attended Lee.

This is a really stupid way to do things based on how uneven the distribution of very high performers is throughout the county. The top "outlier" at many schools is at the bottom of the top group at other schools. You end up with kids who would get more out of a harder program being blocked while offering entry to kids who can barely make it or need to have the standard lowered. It has done nothing to help URM kids.

The enriched track should be available at every school. For the schools that truly do not have 20 kids that can not qualify for the enriched track then they can opt to be bused to the closest school that has an enriched track.

The magnet should be for the actual gifted and top performing students regardless of where they come from, what their gender is, what their race is, or whether they are poor or rich. There should be no special set aside spots and no lessening of any of the expectations. No one should be surprised that the magnet is overrepresented by kids of surgeons and NIH researchers and underrepresented by kids of HR wellness coordinators, non-profit administrators or communications staff.

For URM students, MCPS should do something with the early gifted testing results in 2nd grade and any URM kid scoring high should be given access to an after school scholars program to do enriched work and full summer programs for gifted kids to ensure that they can make it into the enriched track and potentially the magnet track on their merit.

I totally agree they should do more for the western part of the county because we pay a lot of taxes. They need to accept that top-performers is a function of HHI and forget all this equity nonsense.

Are you just trying to stir the pot? I dislike the peer cohort concept (which I've posted many times about on here), but that doesn't mean MCPS should "forget all this equity nonsense". Something needs to be done to close the achievement gap, but peer cohort ain't it.

Then just implement AAP like they do in NOVA.

AAP is really watered down by comparison to MCPS magnets.Basically anyone with the $$$ to get a doctors note can make the cut.

Doubt it’s any more watered down than enriched classes at base schools. After all, that’s what PP suggested having more of, which is essentially AAP.

I'm one of the PPs.. I always felt that MCPS magnet for MS/ES was superior to AAP because it was not watered down. But I do think that with the peer cohort, it is a bit like AAP. Actually, it's worse because at least FFX AAP puts the highest scoring students together (they have levels). MCPS is not doing that.

A concrete example is Blair vs TJ. In every possible academic match Blair SMCS destroys them year after year after year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

I’ll look out for you! Hopefully the rest of the magnet parents will be like us and not like the bitter snobs on this thread who are likely slamming the program because their kids didn’t make the cut.

eh.. some of us aren't bitter snobs, but just concerned about the direction of magnets. My kid didn't bother applying to MS magnet 4 years ago, so before the peer cohort criteria. Too far. And I don't live in a W cluster.

In that case why do you care? The kid who get in are all deserving of their places and all highly gifted. There is no change in “direction”.

[Anonymous]

These math contests are popular among kids who have parents pushing them into contest math. The majority of bright math kids are not interested. They will bloom later on when it actually means something.

Signed, parent of middle schooler who excels at aops and isn’t competing.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get all the posters who are “concerned for the magnets.” Don’t the magnets exist to serve kids, not the other way around? It seems totally reasonable to me to use the magnets to serve kids who couldn’t otherwise be served by their home schools.

Imagine it was possible to evaluate the scores - on whatever metric - for the combined group of kids who were admitted to TPMS under the new admission criteria as well as those who would have been admitted under the old process. Wouldn’t you call it a success if that combined group did better now, even if the TPMS part of that group scored marginally lower?

[Anonymous]

This tread rivals the Sidwell v GDS tread on the private school forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While they haven't flat out said this, it seems MCPS is looking for outliers in each school. There's no quota (5 kids per school or whatever) but they want every sending middle school to be represented and they want to grab kids who really stand above the crowd in their home school. The effect of this is of course going to be that it is easier to stand out if you are coming from a high-needs school than one where most kids enjoy the same advantages. So, yes, kids were admitted who would otherwise have attended Frost, and their scores were almost certainly higher than the kids admitted who would have otherwise attended Lee.

This is a really stupid way to do things based on how uneven the distribution of very high performers is throughout the county. The top "outlier" at many schools is at the bottom of the top group at other schools. You end up with kids who would get more out of a harder program being blocked while offering entry to kids who can barely make it or need to have the standard lowered. It has done nothing to help URM kids.

The enriched track should be available at every school. For the schools that truly do not have 20 kids that can not qualify for the enriched track then they can opt to be bused to the closest school that has an enriched track.

The magnet should be for the actual gifted and top performing students regardless of where they come from, what their gender is, what their race is, or whether they are poor or rich. There should be no special set aside spots and no lessening of any of the expectations. No one should be surprised that the magnet is overrepresented by kids of surgeons and NIH researchers and underrepresented by kids of HR wellness coordinators, non-profit administrators or communications staff.

For URM students, MCPS should do something with the early gifted testing results in 2nd grade and any URM kid scoring high should be given access to an after school scholars program to do enriched work and full summer programs for gifted kids to ensure that they can make it into the enriched track and potentially the magnet track on their merit.

Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Congratulations on admission. So glad your DC will have more classes at , or at least near, his learning level. Maybe just don't read any of these threads for your own sanity. The new screening process is broader and finds more gems. Some schools that had a (recent) history of sending a large percentage on to TPMS magnet had that change dramatically with the institution of peer cohort. Though they then got classes that could skip a year or more of math. It is a giant factory like school system. More kids are receiving better matched classes than under the pre cohort system. That is, as expected by many, becoming less so each year as MCPS or the individual schools keep broadening the effective definition of cohort.

The school that used to send all those kids every year happens to be the same school that has a bus that takes kids to Dr. Li's every day for prep classes. It's fine that these kids work so hard, but one goal of the new admissions process was to find gems as you say and a big part of that was to reduce the impact prep had on admissions since it made averages kids seem gifted and many gifted kids were overlooked.. A big part of this debate is the parents from those schools feel entitled. They were used to gaming the system and now rail against the changes since they can no longer assure admission by taking prep classes.

Some posts on dcum say a school is back to 40% admission as a result of success with appeals. That would particularily make sense if as others suggest more people decline admission under universal screening and people initially put on waitlist dont have the same opportunity as rejected (for cohort reasons)'folks have to add to their DC record via appeal process.

[Anonymous]

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Oh my goodness. Have you listened to yourself? What utter bald faced snobbery. I guess as a soon to be TPMS magnet parent from the East side of the county who works for a non profit my child is evidence that this magnet program is dumbed down. No matter that my kid has been an outlier since the age of three, that he’s several grade levels above his peers, that he scores 99th percentile on everything, that he’s miserable and unchallenged at school and this magnet program seems to be just what he needs. This program seems designed for a kid who was working on algebra in 3rd grade and who taught himself to read at 3. But his parents work for non profits and he never prepped for the test and doesn’t do expensive math enrichment programs (none of which I’ve ever heard of btw before this thread) so I guess he’s not worthy of the program like your Bethesda born children with all the advantages. I can’t imagine him being interested in math competitions either because he’s not obnoxiously competitive.

Welcome, fellow soon-to-be-TPMS-magnet-parent. If it makes you feel better, I work for a nonprofit AND my 'magnet kid' is being raised in a single parent home. I hope your child loves the program at TPMS, and maybe we'll meet at a back to school event and give each other a secret high sign as fellow nonprofit idiots who don't value our kids' educations.

I’ll look out for you! Hopefully the rest of the magnet parents will be like us and not like the bitter snobs on this thread who are likely slamming the program because their kids didn’t make the cut.

eh.. some of us aren't bitter snobs, but just concerned about the direction of magnets. My kid didn't bother applying to MS magnet 4 years ago, so before the peer cohort criteria. Too far. And I don't live in a W cluster.

In that case why do you care? The kid who get in are all deserving of their places and all highly gifted. There is no change in “direction”.

You need some better reading comprehension skills. I bolded "why do I care" for you. Of course there is a change in direction if the students who are being admitted on not the best and brightest in the district, but rather just in their home schools.