Where do you consider MCPS high schools on a scale of good-bad

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Not always... not too long ago, MCPS closed schools closer in as families moved out to the 'burbs for more room. Now, probably due to commute time and/or people wanting "walkability", people are wanting to move closer in. And this is why now the outer burb schools are not as crowded, too.

There was an article on this with a map showing which schools closed during the 80s/90s.

Schools closed during the 1980s because enrollment dropped, because of the baby bust.

Where are you living that you think schools in far out burbs in this area will need to close due to underenrollment? Have you heard of Clarksburg? Have you heard that they are planning on building a new HS in Gaithersburg to address overcrowding in RM, QO and Gaithersburg HS? Have you heard that they're expanding Seneca Valley HS to address overcrowding in upcounty schools? Have you heard of the newly built Hallie Wells MS? And the planned building of another new elementary school to accommodate the new families moving to the new Cabin Branch development?

Yes, when all of a sudden there are 28,000 people where there used to be 2,000 people, there need to be more schools (Clarksburg, Seneca Valley, Hallie Wells, Cabin Branch). My guess is that all of these schools will be seriously underenrolled in 20 years, but that's neither here nor there.

Other than Clarksburg - and Crown Farm, which is also a new development - where is enrollment increasing far out more than it's increasing close in?

Note also that both Clarksburg and Crown Farm are advertised, rightly or wrongly, as places where everything is right there so you don't have to drive far.

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I wouldn't call the vast number of families who live in the suburbs a small minority.

Montgomery County has urban areas. And it has close-in suburbs. And it has way-out-there suburbs. People increasingly want to live in close-in areas, which is why the close-in areas are expensive.

Exactly

Again, nothing new. Always has been the case. Andta lot of families make sacrifices that make the most sense for them, hence lots of people are still moving further out.

Not always... not too long ago, MCPS closed schools closer in as families moved out to the 'burbs for more room. Now, probably due to commute time and/or people wanting "walkability", people are wanting to move closer in. And this is why now the outer burb schools are not as crowded, too.

There was an article on this with a map showing which schools closed during the 80s/90s.

I remember the 60s and 70s too! However, there have been many more articles about the great inversion. More and more people are abandoning the burbs for more urban living. This is why the population of DC is up over 40% in recent years and the changes in demand are effecting the market now and will impact schools in the coming years.

That's what I stated.

Outer burb are over capacity but probably not nearly as much as closer in.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP20_EntireBook.pdf

Closed schools Appendix I4 - note the number of closed schools closer in
Over capacity by cluster Appendix D4 - note that the schools with the *most* over capacity are closer in -- exception is Clarksburg.

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I wouldn't call the vast number of families who live in the suburbs a small minority.

Montgomery County has urban areas. And it has close-in suburbs. And it has way-out-there suburbs. People increasingly want to live in close-in areas, which is why the close-in areas are expensive.

Exactly

Again, nothing new. Always has been the case. Andta lot of families make sacrifices that make the most sense for them, hence lots of people are still moving further out.

Not always... not too long ago, MCPS closed schools closer in as families moved out to the 'burbs for more room. Now, probably due to commute time and/or people wanting "walkability", people are wanting to move closer in. And this is why now the outer burb schools are not as crowded, too.

There was an article on this with a map showing which schools closed during the 80s/90s.

I remember the 60s and 70s too! However, there have been many more articles about the great inversion. More and more people are abandoning the burbs for more urban living. This is why the population of DC is up over 40% in recent years and the changes in demand are effecting the market now and will impact schools in the coming years.

That's what I stated.

Outer burb are over capacity but probably not nearly as much as closer in.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP20_EntireBook.pdf

Closed schools Appendix I4 - note the number of closed schools closer in
Over capacity by cluster Appendix D4 - note that the schools with the *most* over capacity are closer in -- exception is Clarksburg.

It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

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I wouldn't call the vast number of families who live in the suburbs a small minority.

Montgomery County has urban areas. And it has close-in suburbs. And it has way-out-there suburbs. People increasingly want to live in close-in areas, which is why the close-in areas are expensive.

Exactly

Again, nothing new. Always has been the case. Andta lot of families make sacrifices that make the most sense for them, hence lots of people are still moving further out.

Not always... not too long ago, MCPS closed schools closer in as families moved out to the 'burbs for more room. Now, probably due to commute time and/or people wanting "walkability", people are wanting to move closer in. And this is why now the outer burb schools are not as crowded, too.

There was an article on this with a map showing which schools closed during the 80s/90s.

I remember the 60s and 70s too! However, there have been many more articles about the great inversion. More and more people are abandoning the burbs for more urban living. This is why the population of DC is up over 40% in recent years and the changes in demand are effecting the market now and will impact schools in the coming years.

That's what I stated.

Outer burb are over capacity but probably not nearly as much as closer in.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP20_EntireBook.pdf

Closed schools Appendix I4 - note the number of closed schools closer in
Over capacity by cluster Appendix D4 - note that the schools with the *most* over capacity are closer in -- exception is Clarksburg.

It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

No one said people will stop moving out to the outer burbs. I was addressing the ^^^PP's assertion that "people have always wanted to live close in". That is not true. At one point, there were a lot of people moving to the 'burbs and that's why closer in schools were shutting down. See the appendix on the link I provided. Most of the school closures were closer in.

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No one said people will stop moving out to the outer burbs. I was addressing the ^^^PP's assertion that "people have always wanted to live close in". That is not true. At one point, there were a lot of people moving to the 'burbs and that's why closer in schools were shutting down. See the appendix on the link I provided. Most of the school closures were closer in.

The closer-in schools were closed because that's where the schools were when everybody in the US was closing schools due to declining enrollment.

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It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Are people going to stop moving further and further out? No. Do more and more people find it less and less desirable to move further and further out? Yes.

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I live in Crown (teacher, no kids) and I don’t want us to articulate to a W. I like that this isn’t really thought if as a family neighborhood. I don’t need a bunch of W soccer moms moving in.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Potomac and I'm very worried about real-estate not keeping up and its impact on the schools. These days people are abandoning the burbs for closer in areas that are quickly becoming more desirable.

You should be worried. Between Whitman's declining test scores and the neverending racial incidents at places like Churchill, it's evident this has already happened.

NP here. What a perplexing statement. How are declining test scores (which we know was done by Whitman deliberately to say F.U. to the tests) and racial incidents evidence that people are abandoning schools in the burbs? I fail to get the correlation. ARe you saying that the smart and non-racist people have left for the city or places closer in? Signed, by a non-W parent

Don't worry, that was just our friendly DCUM racist troll chiming in with jealousy and delusion. Facts don't matter to Ms. Troll.

I heard the lower scores at Kennedy were deliberate, but the scores at Whitman were a symptom of its continued slide.

This is dumb. Whitman is still one of the best counties in the high school, and it will be in the top tier for at least the next 30 years.

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I wouldn't call the vast number of families who live in the suburbs a small minority.

Montgomery County has urban areas. And it has close-in suburbs. And it has way-out-there suburbs. People increasingly want to live in close-in areas, which is why the close-in areas are expensive.

Exactly

Again, nothing new. Always has been the case. Andta lot of families make sacrifices that make the most sense for them, hence lots of people are still moving further out.

Not always... not too long ago, MCPS closed schools closer in as families moved out to the 'burbs for more room. Now, probably due to commute time and/or people wanting "walkability", people are wanting to move closer in. And this is why now the outer burb schools are not as crowded, too.

There was an article on this with a map showing which schools closed during the 80s/90s.

I remember the 60s and 70s too! However, there have been many more articles about the great inversion. More and more people are abandoning the burbs for more urban living. This is why the population of DC is up over 40% in recent years and the changes in demand are effecting the market now and will impact schools in the coming years.

That's what I stated.

Outer burb are over capacity but probably not nearly as much as closer in.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP20_EntireBook.pdf

Closed schools Appendix I4 - note the number of closed schools closer in
Over capacity by cluster Appendix D4 - note that the schools with the *most* over capacity are closer in -- exception is Clarksburg.

Honestly, a lot of the overcrowded schools in SS are due to the fact that their buildings don't handle as many kids as those schools in far out burbs. For example look at Einstein vs Northwest. Northwest which has a current capacity of 2200 kids is already overcrowded with 2508 kids. Einstein's capacity is 1612 and current enrollment is 1800. Gaithersburg has a current capacity of 2393; and they'll likely be at capacity soon despite the renovation in 2013.

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It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

It's no surprise Blair is at the top of that list. People that live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. Blair serves close-in suburbs of Takoma Park and parts of Silver Spring which are adjacent to DC.

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^ Blair has over 3000 students now and MCPS projects it will be at 3800 by 2022.

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It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

It's no surprise Blair is at the top of that list. People that live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. Blair serves close-in suburbs of Takoma Park and parts of Silver Spring which are adjacent to DC.

BCC also covers a large portion of Maryland’s border with DC (the desirable part too) and a major Urban center and only has 2200 kids?

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It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

It's no surprise Blair is at the top of that list. People that live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. Blair serves close-in suburbs of Takoma Park and parts of Silver Spring which are adjacent to DC.

BCC also covers a large portion of Maryland’s border with DC (the desirable part too) and a major Urban center and only has 2200 kids?

True the population of Bethesda has gone up about 10%, but the notion of what's desirable today is not the same as it was back in 1990. That's the point. Things are changing.

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I'm picking up a trend here where posters really lack analytical skills. In order to say that the list shows people desire close-in locations you have to ignore several of the top 5 highest population schools including the 2nd one. Its as if some posters can post any data, ignore what it does or doesn't show and see what they want. Very odd but seems to happen consistently with all things MoCo.

On another note , this is NOT a list where you want to be on the top. There are no bragging rights for your school being the educational equivalent of a mega mall.

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It is a pipe dream that people are all of a sudden going to stop moving to the outer burbs because of the walkability factor. One, developers understand the walkabality factor and hence are building new developments, even in far out ones that address this desire. Second- people are moving into this county year after year, NOT out. You don't think they're all moving to Bethesda and SS, do you? FYI-here's the most populated High Schools from largest to smallest:

Blair 3083
Northwest 2508
WJ 2475
RM 2428
Gaithersburg 2388
Clarksburg 2148
Wootton 2134
Churchill 2123
BCC 2102
Whitman 2085
QO 2031
Paintbrach 2000
Sherwood 1967
Wheaton 1958
Einstein 1803
Northwood 1731
Kennedy 1720
Blake 1624
Magruder 1617
Rockville 1476
Seneca Valley 1187

It's no surprise Blair is at the top of that list. People that live across the street from Blair are zoned for Northwood. Blair serves close-in suburbs of Takoma Park and parts of Silver Spring which are adjacent to DC.

BCC also covers a large portion of Maryland’s border with DC (the desirable part too) and a major Urban center and only has 2200 kids?

True the population of Bethesda has gone up about 10%, but the notion of what's desirable today is not the same as it was back in 1990. That's the point. Things are changing.

But note that Blair is the only school in the DCC and SS that's in the top 10 most populated. The rest of the DCC schools have pretty low numbers. All the W schools are in the top 10.