Where do you consider MCPS high schools on a scale of good-bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

I’m a lower MC AA teacher mom. I’ve taught at both a W and Blair. I have one Blair grad and a son currently there. I also have a daughter at a HS magnet elsewhere. How do you pathologize my choices?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

BCC is 15% Black and Blair is 24% Black. Nearly all of the Black students at BCC live in Silver Spring and would be assigned to Blair if they lived literally in the next apartment building over. So why is it that those Black kids at BCC are doing significantly better than kids one block away?

Even this is not true. There are no buildings zoned to BCC which are next to buildings zoned to Blair. You are probably referring to the Summit Hills apartments at the eastern end of the BCC zone. Some of their buildings are zoned for BCC, and others are zoned for Einstein. None are zoned for Blair.

+1 This is one of those times when it helps to break out the map: https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BCCHS.pdf

You can see the that B-CC has kind of a weird boundary, reaching across the part to pick up the RH and RCF neighborhoods. Which....fine. But the places where you have dense housing right next to each other, some is zoned for B-CC and some is zoned for Einstein, as PP says.

There are places where a neighborhood zones for Blair and a neighborhood zoned for B-CC are close, but it's mostly buildings with few kids (near the SS Metro Station).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

BCC is 15% Black and Blair is 24% Black. Nearly all of the Black students at BCC live in Silver Spring and would be assigned to Blair if they lived literally in the next apartment building over. So why is it that those Black kids at BCC are doing significantly better than kids one block away?

Even this is not true. There are no buildings zoned to BCC which are next to buildings zoned to Blair. You are probably referring to the Summit Hills apartments at the eastern end of the BCC zone. Some of their buildings are zoned for BCC, and others are zoned for Einstein. None are zoned for Blair.

+1 This is one of those times when it helps to break out the map: https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BCCHS.pdf

You can see the that B-CC has kind of a weird boundary, reaching across the part to pick up the RH and RCF neighborhoods. Which....fine. But the places where you have dense housing right next to each other, some is zoned for B-CC and some is zoned for Einstein, as PP says.

There are places where a neighborhood zones for Blair and a neighborhood zoned for B-CC are close, but it's mostly buildings with few kids (near the SS Metro Station).

I know; it's so weird. Some high school boundaries abut other high school boundaries, as if someone had to draw a line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

I wouldn't want my kids over at those schools either. They have to many problems with minorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

BCC is 15% Black and Blair is 24% Black. Nearly all of the Black students at BCC live in Silver Spring and would be assigned to Blair if they lived literally in the next apartment building over. So why is it that those Black kids at BCC are doing significantly better than kids one block away?

Even this is not true. There are no buildings zoned to BCC which are next to buildings zoned to Blair. You are probably referring to the Summit Hills apartments at the eastern end of the BCC zone. Some of their buildings are zoned for BCC, and others are zoned for Einstein. None are zoned for Blair.

+1 This is one of those times when it helps to break out the map: https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BCCHS.pdf

You can see the that B-CC has kind of a weird boundary, reaching across the part to pick up the RH and RCF neighborhoods. Which....fine. But the places where you have dense housing right next to each other, some is zoned for B-CC and some is zoned for Einstein, as PP says.

There are places where a neighborhood zones for Blair and a neighborhood zoned for B-CC are close, but it's mostly buildings with few kids (near the SS Metro Station).

I know; it's so weird. Some high school boundaries abut other high school boundaries, as if someone had to draw a line.

And once Woodward opens it's likely to get weirder but no less weird than say Wooton where most of its students live closer to other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

Of course there was a busing plan. It started in 2018 when the BOE made demographics/di eraotty the most important factor in the boundary policy. It's even more important than geography/proximity. So it's revisionist history to pretend that SOME east county progressives (including a few on the BOE) wanted busing in the traditional sense. One even said she wanted to do this to box in all future boards of education because it was "our values.". Insane.

The adjacency argument was always BS. When you draw a map from scratch, there is no adjacency. It's all scrapped and drawn anew. The architects of MoCo busing knew this which is the reason they ordered the boundary analysis right on the heels of the boundary policy change. They thought no one would notice. Whoops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

Of course there was a busing plan. It started in 2018 when the BOE made demographics/di eraotty the most important factor in the boundary policy. It's even more important than geography/proximity. So it's revisionist history to pretend that SOME east county progressives (including a few on the BOE) wanted busing in the traditional sense. One even said she wanted to do this to box in all future boards of education because it was "our values.". Insane.

The adjacency argument was always BS. When you draw a map from scratch, there is no adjacency. It's all scrapped and drawn anew. The architects of MoCo busing knew this which is the reason they ordered the boundary analysis right on the heels of the boundary policy change. They thought no one would notice. Whoops.

I don't know why my phone corrected diversity to di eraotty but there you go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

I'm glad to know not all east county progressives favor busing. I actually realized this after I saw the boundary analysis results. But to be fair, very very few non-progressives favor busing so nearly all the support comes from your camp. I suspect it is manly from people without kids in schools because people WITH kids in the schools know how important proximity is, especially to poor families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

Where I live I don't see a need for busing, the schools are diverse, but I feel there are schools in parts of the county with a long history of racism that would benefit from greater diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

Where I live I don't see a need for busing, the schools are diverse, but I feel there are schools in parts of the county with a long history of racism that would benefit from greater diversity.

See? This person supports busing. Perhaps the east county progressive who said he/she doesn't know anyone who supports busing shoud have a chat with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread!!

1. West county snobs who are defensive their kids aren't in magnets.
2. East county hippies who are defensive their kids are in magnets.
3. Some annoyed Asian moms who just want good test scores.
4. All of the groups tying themselves into knots to explain that it isn't racism that makes them frightened of poor children. They want to say it's the gangs, but they're too frightened that will sound racist.

Seriously, after having experienced high Ses moco schools and low ses Moco schools, you couldn't pay me to send my kids to a W or Blair. It's just so toxic.

Then why are east county progressives calling for busing?

They aren't. That's just you.

I stand corrected. The DID call for busing but after 90+ percent do the county said no thanks to busing, the issue seems to have simmered down. But no one should pretend that the wokes at One Montgomery weren't actively lobbying for busing in 2018/19.

That's the problem with making blanket statements. If 90+ percent of the county doesn't want busing then all east county progressives DIDN'T call for busing. I live on the east side of the county and my politics lean progressive. I don't want my kid bused to the west side of the county and I don't know anyone else in my neighborhood or friend group that does.

There was never a plan for "bussing" in the sense of moving kids across the county. There is, however, a desperate need for boundary revisions because the current boundaries are a mish-mash of 60 years of new build, density coming to some places and leaving others, etc. The school boundaries look like gerrymandered congressional districts, and you can't fix that piecemeal - you need to go in an do a comprehensive fix. When they do so, ONE of the factors they consider will be demographics, but MCPS has been clear that only adjacent boundaries will be shifted. So, maybe you take kids from my kids' school, which is enormously overcrowded to the point that the specials teachers are all on carts, and move them to the next school over, which apparently has 5 empty classrooms. Our MS and HS feeder patterns are the same, and my kids would attend a school that isn't absolutely bursting at the seams.

Where I live I don't see a need for busing, the schools are diverse, but I feel there are schools in parts of the county with a long history of racism that would benefit from greater diversity.

By long history of racism, do you mean the bastion of redlining (Silver Spring) or the only part of MoCo that was so racist it seceded from PG County (Takoma Park)?

[Anonymous]

And yet another discussion derailed.