N word at Whitman

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




I was told that people of color was PC, but this was a few years ago. African American is always fine. Colored and negro are NEVER fine. And my friends call themselves black. So I assume it's fine.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.


There is 'United Negro College Fund' still operating - https://www.uncf.org/dmv Can you explain why that is ok if it is offensive? It is also being used by Black people. Why not change it?

What about the historical Boyds Negro School? The sign is proudly displayed and if it was so offensive, why not rename it? It could be called the Boyds Historical Black School (formally known as Boyd's Negro School)?


I have been told by Blacks to not call them African-American because they were from Caribbean or Africa. They want to be called Black. However, when someone refers to another as a Black person, it is said that they have been reduced to the color of their skin. Sometimes I have heard them being referred to POC (people of color) but then they take offence if other non-Whites (Asians, Hispanics) are also included in the POC category. Also, if someone calls 'People of Color' as 'Colored people' that is offensive too (thanks, DCUM), Why?

Why is it ok for AA boys to call each other 'N-word' that ends in an 'r'. Why is that ok? Why don't the parents stop them from calling each other that word? If they will not use it themselves, people will stop using it. One day that word will disappear because no one will find it ok to use. They can lose that hateful word through disuse.
Anonymous
Black is fine
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black is fine


How do you know?

I personally think the only people who can be called African-Americans are those whose ancestors were brought here as slaves. The rest of black people need to be called something else. That still leaves us with the issue of what to call the whole community as a whole and that is acceptable to the African Americans as well as the new immigrants from different parts of the world.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP "gender charged words" - the main one is the C word.


Or the P word...as in the thingymajiggy that gets grabbed by little hands.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A lot of these problems stem from the fact that many of these W feeders are segregated.


I also believe if these schools were better integrated there would be greater empathy for others.


Yes there is no W high school with more than single digits of AA’s. This in a county that is closer to a quarter AA. Of course, that is the whole reason white peoples move to W schools. “For the schools” = “for the test scores” = “as few AA’s as possible.” It may not be their intention (or in some cases it may be) but this is the effect.


Let me know what the acceptable min number of black people for any given area, should I then infer there is a maximum number because clearly there is a level with too many white ones? I guess real estate prices and test scores bear that out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A lot of these problems stem from the fact that many of these W feeders are segregated.


I also believe if these schools were better integrated there would be greater empathy for others.


Yes there is no W high school with more than single digits of AA’s. This in a county that is closer to a quarter AA. Of course, that is the whole reason white peoples move to W schools. “For the schools” = “for the test scores” = “as few AA’s as possible.” It may not be their intention (or in some cases it may be) but this is the effect.


Let me know what the acceptable min number of black people for any given area, should I then infer there is a maximum number because clearly there is a level with too many white ones? I guess real estate prices and test scores bear that out.


I suppose this is a facetious question but you’ll get a real answer. Yes, in my view greater than single digits of AA’s are necessary for white children not to grow up with stereotyped, negative impressions of black people. But you are definitely right that having fewer black people around is better for real estate prices. I’ve got to give you that one.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A lot of these problems stem from the fact that many of these W feeders are segregated.


I also believe if these schools were better integrated there would be greater empathy for others.


Yes there is no W high school with more than single digits of AA’s. This in a county that is closer to a quarter AA. Of course, that is the whole reason white peoples move to W schools. “For the schools” = “for the test scores” = “as few AA’s as possible.” It may not be their intention (or in some cases it may be) but this is the effect.


Let me know what the acceptable min number of black people for any given area, should I then infer there is a maximum number because clearly there is a level with too many white ones? I guess real estate prices and test scores bear that out.


I suppose this is a facetious question but you’ll get a real answer. Yes, in my view greater than single digits of AA’s are necessary for white children not to grow up with stereotyped, negative impressions of black people. But you are definitely right that having fewer black people around is better for real estate prices. I’ve got to give you that one.


It's sad that 50 years after civil rights and we're still addressing this crap.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.


There is 'United Negro College Fund' still operating - https://www.uncf.org/dmv Can you explain why that is ok if it is offensive? It is also being used by Black people. Why not change it?

What about the historical Boyds Negro School? The sign is proudly displayed and if it was so offensive, why not rename it? It could be called the Boyds Historical Black School (formally known as Boyd's Negro School)?


I have been told by Blacks to not call them African-American because they were from Caribbean or Africa. They want to be called Black. However, when someone refers to another as a Black person, it is said that they have been reduced to the color of their skin. Sometimes I have heard them being referred to POC (people of color) but then they take offence if other non-Whites (Asians, Hispanics) are also included in the POC category. Also, if someone calls 'People of Color' as 'Colored people' that is offensive too (thanks, DCUM), Why?

Why is it ok for AA boys to call each other 'N-word' that ends in an 'r'. Why is that ok? Why don't the parents stop them from calling each other that word? If they will not use it themselves, people will stop using it. One day that word will disappear because no one will find it ok to use. They can lose that hateful word through disuse.

The Washington football team is called the Redskins. That is what the team has historically been called. Many people would like to change the name, but even those who don't want to change the name are unlikely to think it's appropriate to call actual native American people "redskins." When people see negro in UNCF or for the school, they understand it is a historical reference. What is so hard to understand about that?
And guess what? 15 year old boys say and do lots of inappropriate things. Are you really dying to speak and act like a teenage boy? Teenaged white boys do and say lots of inappropriate things too. I don't assume they do it because their parents haven't taught them any better. I assume they do it because they are teenaged boys.
Anonymous
This really is sad.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.


There is 'United Negro College Fund' still operating - https://www.uncf.org/dmv Can you explain why that is ok if it is offensive? It is also being used by Black people. Why not change it?

What about the historical Boyds Negro School? The sign is proudly displayed and if it was so offensive, why not rename it? It could be called the Boyds Historical Black School (formally known as Boyd's Negro School)?


I have been told by Blacks to not call them African-American because they were from Caribbean or Africa. They want to be called Black. However, when someone refers to another as a Black person, it is said that they have been reduced to the color of their skin. Sometimes I have heard them being referred to POC (people of color) but then they take offence if other non-Whites (Asians, Hispanics) are also included in the POC category. Also, if someone calls 'People of Color' as 'Colored people' that is offensive too (thanks, DCUM), Why?

Why is it ok for AA boys to call each other 'N-word' that ends in an 'r'. Why is that ok? Why don't the parents stop them from calling each other that word? If they will not use it themselves, people will stop using it. One day that word will disappear because no one will find it ok to use. They can lose that hateful word through disuse.

The Washington football team is called the Redskins. That is what the team has historically been called. Many people would like to change the name, but even those who don't want to change the name are unlikely to think it's appropriate to call actual native American people "redskins." When people see negro in UNCF or for the school, they understand it is a historical reference. What is so hard to understand about that?
And guess what? 15 year old boys say and do lots of inappropriate things. Are you really dying to speak and act like a teenage boy? Teenaged white boys do and say lots of inappropriate things too. I don't assume they do it because their parents haven't taught them any better. I assume they do it because they are teenaged boys.


It is historical for only those whose ancestors were part of this history - both the oppressors and the oppressed. For recent immigrants like me, we are still deciphering what is right or wrong based on the cues we are getting from Black and White folks in this country. The message is thus confusing.

Even the composition of Blacks is confusing because the recent African and Caribbean immigrants that we know in our middle class circle did not face the kind of institutional racism of US in their country of origin. They have intact and functional families for generations, they are white collar families, educated and driven. They differentiate themselves from African Americans and feel that they face the stereotypes that does not apply to them.

No. It is not obvious to recent legal immigrants what may be ingrained in the psyche of Blacks and Whites in this country. We can only see what is in front of our eyes and we react to that. For example, we can see that many AA students are disinterested in school and are disruptive in the classroom or that many young and promising Black men are targeted by the police and vigilantes and their lives are over prematurely because they are Black. Both are disturbing to us and we can react to the both. Of course then we are either called racists or ignorent. Neither is true - we are actually the people who are not burdened with the racist history and see things as they exist today. In fact, we judge people not be the color of their skins but by the content of their character. If I can teach my children from the time that they were young and now as teenagers that they cannot use the "N" word because it is abusive and racist. then there is no reason that Blacks and Whites cannot do that with their own children.

And yes, it is a failure of parents to not instill it in their children. Shame on them, because they should know better. These 15 year old boys will grow up into adults who will think it a-OK to call or be called the N-word. It is not funny, it is not appropriate and it has to stop.
Anonymous
People will always call each other names that is intended to put the other in their place. Outlaw specific words but actions will remain constant. There is something to if you wan't people to stop using it, then stop using it your self. I get premises of taking the power out of it by nationalizing it but it seems to have as much power as ever. Even if white people stop using it, does that really change the underclass stigma of melanin projected & protected by the the power class? Winning the battle and not even fighting the war comes to mind here
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the rules. Black kid to Black Kid ok. The rest don't say it


"Black", "Negro", "People of Color", "Colored people" and "African Americans" - I have been told not to use these terms at one time or another. And yet I see this being used all the time everywhere. We are Asian immigrants and it is all very confusing.

What is the correct word/phrase?




When in doubt, ‘African American’ is probably best but ‘black’ is fine for most situations. Never ever use ‘colored’ or ‘negro’. Those were considered politie a long, long time ago but not today.


There is 'United Negro College Fund' still operating - https://www.uncf.org/dmv Can you explain why that is ok if it is offensive? It is also being used by Black people. Why not change it?

What about the historical Boyds Negro School? The sign is proudly displayed and if it was so offensive, why not rename it? It could be called the Boyds Historical Black School (formally known as Boyd's Negro School)?


I have been told by Blacks to not call them African-American because they were from Caribbean or Africa. They want to be called Black. However, when someone refers to another as a Black person, it is said that they have been reduced to the color of their skin. Sometimes I have heard them being referred to POC (people of color) but then they take offence if other non-Whites (Asians, Hispanics) are also included in the POC category. Also, if someone calls 'People of Color' as 'Colored people' that is offensive too (thanks, DCUM), Why?

Why is it ok for AA boys to call each other 'N-word' that ends in an 'r'. Why is that ok? Why don't the parents stop them from calling each other that word? If they will not use it themselves, people will stop using it. One day that word will disappear because no one will find it ok to use. They can lose that hateful word through disuse.

The Washington football team is called the Redskins. That is what the team has historically been called. Many people would like to change the name, but even those who don't want to change the name are unlikely to think it's appropriate to call actual native American people "redskins." When people see negro in UNCF or for the school, they understand it is a historical reference. What is so hard to understand about that?
And guess what? 15 year old boys say and do lots of inappropriate things. Are you really dying to speak and act like a teenage boy? Teenaged white boys do and say lots of inappropriate things too. I don't assume they do it because their parents haven't taught them any better. I assume they do it because they are teenaged boys.


It is historical for only those whose ancestors were part of this history - both the oppressors and the oppressed. For recent immigrants like me, we are still deciphering what is right or wrong based on the cues we are getting from Black and White folks in this country. The message is thus confusing.

Even the composition of Blacks is confusing because the recent African and Caribbean immigrants that we know in our middle class circle did not face the kind of institutional racism of US in their country of origin. They have intact and functional families for generations, they are white collar families, educated and driven. They differentiate themselves from African Americans and feel that they face the stereotypes that does not apply to them.

No. It is not obvious to recent legal immigrants what may be ingrained in the psyche of Blacks and Whites in this country. We can only see what is in front of our eyes and we react to that. For example, we can see that many AA students are disinterested in school and are disruptive in the classroom or that many young and promising Black men are targeted by the police and vigilantes and their lives are over prematurely because they are Black. Both are disturbing to us and we can react to the both. Of course then we are either called racists or ignorent. Neither is true - we are actually the people who are not burdened with the racist history and see things as they exist today. In fact, we judge people not be the color of their skins but by the content of their character. If I can teach my children from the time that they were young and now as teenagers that they cannot use the "N" word because it is abusive and racist. then there is no reason that Blacks and Whites cannot do that with their own children.

And yes, it is a failure of parents to not instill it in their children. Shame on them, because they should know better. These 15 year old boys will grow up into adults who will think it a-OK to call or be called the N-word. It is not funny, it is not appropriate and it has to stop.


As a middle class AA from generations of intact families, and who is a white collar professional, I suggest that you are adding to the stereotypes.
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