NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

[Anonymous]

Taking advice from women on here who hate their husbands or are divorced is laughable. These women didn’t pick well - why take advice from them? Sure, some are happily married, but the vast majority chose wrong and hate men for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been overly attractive but before getting married I had very little trouble going on dates and meeting girls.

Maybe the real problem is that the kids all sit at home, never working from the office, popping gummies and scrolling on Instagram with a smug sense of superiority that they don’t poison themselves at happy hour and resisting ever sitting in an office?

My entire circle of friends 20 years ago were high school and college friends and friends of friends of friends and friends of friends of friends.

Have people ever considered not being social recluses and taking the lazy way out by swiping left and right? People must still have real live friends in person, right?

Sure, maybe I shouldn’t have had a few month long benders. But I sure didn’t lack for friends. Certainly never felt like I needed to go to Colombia for female attention.

Good point about getting off your ass but the reality is that it's very difficult to meet people in the US compared to other countries like Colombia. Most guys can get women here but why bother when you can do 10x better somewhere else? You should give it a shot. I've never met a guy who spent any time down there who prefers American women, but to each their own.

Right? Why bother putting in any effort when you can be lazy and put little effort getting a desperate woman.

You don't get it. Every single guy who has the option will date women from countries like Colombia or Brazil. Lots of educated and professional women of all ages. Maybe you should ask why men don't want you? But instead you're triggered lmao

Don't marry people whose background you don't really know.

OK, good advice I guess?

Oh, like you shouldn't poach narco guys girlfriends.

Makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mid 40s guy here. I'm have a great wife, kids, all that stuff.

I'm reading through this thread and all the comments just seem like from some alternate, awful, reality. Men and women jabbing at each other over weird stereotypes and generalities.

Do people in general really have it so bad in terms of finding good relationships?

Maybe I live in a bubble, but is seems like there are a lot of normal seemingly successful and happy nuclear families around.

You live in a bubble. Back when you were young, there was social infrastructure for people to go out and meet and just have fun. Women would go out and drink and sometimes be receptive to being approached. With the apps today, women already have all the men they want. Well, they have men who will pump them but not date them. The women think it's fine to chase their dream guys and then later settle. The problem is the guys with whom they would settle get bitter and leave the scene because men don't marry someone who think she's settling for him. You can't have a good marriage with that relationship as the foundation.

Back to your bubble, all the data suggest that marriage rates and fertility rates are decreasing in the US. Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, young women today are different. I encourage you to talk to young men and hear what they have to say rather than take my word for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Today the average woman wants absolutely nothing to do with the average man. If a man is not at least 6 feet tall & makes at least 6 figures he is almost completely out of the dating pool. Because a male 9 hooked up with her one night because he was drunk & bored a female 4 thinks she is owed a 9 or 10 high value man & will settle for nothing less.

Because of the combination of the IPhone dating apps, social media, the Covid/George Floyd insanity of 2020, & 3rd wave feminism we have a lost generation of women. And the show Sex & the City convinced women they could move to a big city, be boss babes & ride the cock carousel with every man they could & still think high value men would still want to date & marry them. What is going on right now is a ticking time bomb for our society & it’s not going to end well.

You talk about how women want these things, using a scale/rating system men created to objectify women. Sounds like classic "you can dish it out, but can't take it".

When women started working and no longer had to put up with men to survive, they started playing the same games men do, and men lost. Instead of leveling up (e.g. learning some emotional intelligence, how to connect with women as people, etc) men retreated to porn and bro culture and whinged about how women didn't exist solely to please them anymore. They're not wrong now; women exist to please themselves, just like men always have. They were wrong then, when they thought/expected women to cater to them and grew soft and weak while women did all the emotional labor of maintaining relationships. Now, men with atrophied emotional muscle are being tasked with actually connecting with women as humans and, well, y'all suck at it.

Work harder. Suck less.

But they don't. They whine and complain and want to regress (i.e. "make ______ great again" where "great" equals "easier for mediocre men")

You mean men should follow more ridiculous women rules?

Well, you could see it that way. You could also consider why men made such ridiculous rules for women (be a size 2! Be beautiful and quiet! Always laugh at his jokes! Spend your life in servitude and always have a smile!), and that the consequences you're experiencing now are the direct result and backlash against those rules.

And then, you can try to mend the rift by, you know, evolving. Or, you can stay as you are and get left behind. Choices!

+1 c'mon, man, you men want women to:

1. love sex and want it when you want it
2. not gain weight
3. be low maintenance and low drama
4. like to have fun

What exactly are you bringing to the relationship now that women are able to make the same, or in many cases, more than men? Wives are still doing the majority of the housechores, child care, and even elderly care, all while still working FT. What exactly is the man bringing to the relationship here?

Women today want equal partners. If you can't do that, then that could be why you are still single.

BTW, I'm 54 and been married for 20+ years. Not saying our marriage is perfect, but we have tried to be equal partners throughout our marriage. There is no way I would've married a man who did not want to be an equal partner.

So? Women want men to:

1. Be 6ft tall
2. Earn well over the average income.
3. Be well-endowed
4. Have a full head of hair
5. Be fit

ok, so cuts both ways, no? Then stop complaining, you hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:Mid 40s guy here. I'm have a great wife, kids, all that stuff.

I'm reading through this thread and all the comments just seem like from some alternate, awful, reality. Men and women jabbing at each other over weird stereotypes and generalities.

Do people in general really have it so bad in terms of finding good relationships?

Maybe I live in a bubble, but is seems like there are a lot of normal seemingly successful and happy nuclear families around.

You live in a bubble. Back when you were young, there was social infrastructure for people to go out and meet and just have fun. Women would go out and drink and sometimes be receptive to being approached. With the apps today, women already have all the men they want. Well, they have men who will pump them but not date them. The women think it's fine to chase their dream guys and then later settle. The problem is the guys with whom they would settle get bitter and leave the scene because men don't marry someone who think she's settling for him. You can't have a good marriage with that relationship as the foundation.

Back to your bubble, all the data suggest that marriage rates and fertility rates are decreasing in the US. Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, young women today are different. I encourage you to talk to young men and hear what they have to say rather than take my word for it.

I have a 20 something kid who is a geeky STEM kid and he has no problem getting girls. All non-STEM…one fromer GF is an actress who actually gets work in NYC theatre.

His argument is you need confidence and be willing to put yourself out there. I guess he is just wired a certain way as he has had GFs nearly continuously since a freshman in HS.

His current GF is an Ivy college grad…she seems completely normal. They both are left-leaning but nothing crazy. No blue hair or duck lips or tattoos or piercings.

[Anonymous]

I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been overly attractive but before getting married I had very little trouble going on dates and meeting girls.

Maybe the real problem is that the kids all sit at home, never working from the office, popping gummies and scrolling on Instagram with a smug sense of superiority that they don’t poison themselves at happy hour and resisting ever sitting in an office?

My entire circle of friends 20 years ago were high school and college friends and friends of friends of friends and friends of friends of friends.

Have people ever considered not being social recluses and taking the lazy way out by swiping left and right? People must still have real live friends in person, right?

Sure, maybe I shouldn’t have had a few month long benders. But I sure didn’t lack for friends. Certainly never felt like I needed to go to Colombia for female attention.

Good point about getting off your ass but the reality is that it's very difficult to meet people in the US compared to other countries like Colombia. Most guys can get women here but why bother when you can do 10x better somewhere else? You should give it a shot. I've never met a guy who spent any time down there who prefers American women, but to each their own.

They go to Colombia and other 3rd world countries because they can't get women here. There are plenty of conservative women who also won't give you the time of day.

So what's your excuse for why they also shun you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Uh no not really. What alternate reality are you living in

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Anonymous wrote:Mid 40s guy here. I'm have a great wife, kids, all that stuff.

I'm reading through this thread and all the comments just seem like from some alternate, awful, reality. Men and women jabbing at each other over weird stereotypes and generalities.

Do people in general really have it so bad in terms of finding good relationships?

Maybe I live in a bubble, but is seems like there are a lot of normal seemingly successful and happy nuclear families around.

You live in a bubble. Back when you were young, there was social infrastructure for people to go out and meet and just have fun. Women would go out and drink and sometimes be receptive to being approached. With the apps today, women already have all the men they want. Well, they have men who will pump them but not date them. The women think it's fine to chase their dream guys and then later settle. The problem is the guys with whom they would settle get bitter and leave the scene because men don't marry someone who think she's settling for him. You can't have a good marriage with that relationship as the foundation.

Back to your bubble, all the data suggest that marriage rates and fertility rates are decreasing in the US. Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, young women today are different. I encourage you to talk to young men and hear what they have to say rather than take my word for it.

You're the LBH aren't you

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Uh no not really. What alternate reality are you living in

+1 haha. Look at the fertility and marriage rate over the years. People are waiting longer to get married and have kids, if at all.

That's some Project 2025 Gilead wishful thinking there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

Yet...for some reason these younger men to whom you speak aren't banging or even dating anyone (again, even all the conservative women attending Charlie Kirk conferences and the equivalent).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

I guess those women aren't bangin' the incels. Do they think that if women stop bangin so many men, somehow they will have a better chance with women? LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

If a man has sex with 100s of women, he's a god. If a women does it, she's a whore.

Who said we don't still live in a misogynistic world.

FWIW, I'm 54 DW and have only had sex with one man, my DH.

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

I guess those women aren't bangin' the incels. Do they think that if women stop bangin so many men, somehow they will have a better chance with women? LOL

Eureka!