FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


You first.


I already graduated from a decently performing school, so you can put a ✅ next to your statement.
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


Even kids at the lesser performing HS in Fairfax have a better experience and are more well prepared for college than kids who come from a small rural HS or from most inner city schools in DC/Baltimore/Hampton Roads etc.
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


You won’t eliminate disparities except by driving wealthier families and high-achieving kids out of FCPS. Classic race to the bottom.
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


“White Saviors”? Very telling. You do realize there are high SES minority families who will also be impacted right?



Of course I do. But FCPS will mostly leave schools with high performing minorities where they are. They will move schools and populations with a higher percentage of white kids to change the diversity levels of highly impacted schools. That is how the game is played. Hence, white saviors.
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I’ll add that since the schoo, board members took parents to task for not wanting to be in high minority schools, THEY are the ones saying poor minority kids need saviors AND having been in education for years, I virtually guarantee that they will try to get more white kids moved than high performing brown. The kids are chess pieces to all admins.

This is also why the seem evil - because the school board wasn’t thinking about individual children (and grandfathering) and are thinking about the optics of schools and performance data over what is best for kids and social outcomes.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


Nice try there board people. It isn’t true because (and I will continue to say this until I see what your plan turns into for grandfathering) when you consider disturbing children’s high school experience, you are not taking the best interest of the individual child to heart. Education is about relationships and children (especially teens) need to build trust in their environment. To distrust high school experiences for hundreds/thousands of kids ford a nebulous ‘for the good of all eventually” is to pit parent interest (a their kid) against the greater good for 2 YEARS. It is far more distrust I’ve to have to start over with a new friend group, get to know new teachers, date, try out for sports teams etc while also worrying about colleges and applications than it is to go to school in a trailer for 2 years. I

The idea that this is your argument is ridiculous. Ricardo Anderson said it best in the general meeting when she took the board to task and said that all of you are making this much much harder and oppositional than it needs to be. By not guaranteeing grandfathering, you showed that you are putting data before children. That isn’t a poor excuse for a school system.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible


DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible


DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.


Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


You won’t eliminate disparities except by driving wealthier families and high-achieving kids out of FCPS. Classic race to the bottom.


+1. I’ve been saying this for a while. The only “rich” people who are going to get soaked by this are the middle class families who stretched themselves thin trying to get their kids in a desired school pyramid. Everyone else will just move or go private (and push for vouchers!)
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


Nice try there board people. It isn’t true because (and I will continue to say this until I see what your plan turns into for grandfathering) when you consider disturbing children’s high school experience, you are not taking the best interest of the individual child to heart. Education is about relationships and children (especially teens) need to build trust in their environment. To distrust high school experiences for hundreds/thousands of kids ford a nebulous ‘for the good of all eventually” is to pit parent interest (a their kid) against the greater good for 2 YEARS. It is far more distrust I’ve to have to start over with a new friend group, get to know new teachers, date, try out for sports teams etc while also worrying about colleges and applications than it is to go to school in a trailer for 2 years. I

The idea that this is your argument is ridiculous. Ricardo Anderson said it best in the general meeting when she took the board to task and said that all of you are making this much much harder and oppositional than it needs to be. By not guaranteeing grandfathering, you showed that you are putting data before children. That isn’t a poor excuse for a school system.


In a school system of close to 200,000 the school board has to operate by the data.
If you want evaluation of each child move to a rural system with a single high school of 300 kids. It would take awhile but a school board could feasibly evaluate changes for their impact on each child.
You could also homeschool.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


Nice try there board people. It isn’t true because (and I will continue to say this until I see what your plan turns into for grandfathering) when you consider disturbing children’s high school experience, you are not taking the best interest of the individual child to heart. Education is about relationships and children (especially teens) need to build trust in their environment. To distrust high school experiences for hundreds/thousands of kids ford a nebulous ‘for the good of all eventually” is to pit parent interest (a their kid) against the greater good for 2 YEARS. It is far more distrust I’ve to have to start over with a new friend group, get to know new teachers, date, try out for sports teams etc while also worrying about colleges and applications than it is to go to school in a trailer for 2 years. I

The idea that this is your argument is ridiculous. Ricardo Anderson said it best in the general meeting when she took the board to task and said that all of you are making this much much harder and oppositional than it needs to be. By not guaranteeing grandfathering, you showed that you are putting data before children. That isn’t a poor excuse for a school system.


In a school system of close to 200,000 the school board has to operate by the data.
If you want evaluation of each child move to a rural system with a single high school of 300 kids. It would take awhile but a school board could feasibly evaluate changes for their impact on each child.
You could also homeschool.


What data exactly? I keep hearing that their projections don’t even include any developments and I haven’t heard of any reliable data sources. All I’ve heard is that specific board members are seeking to move certain zip codes, just because.

Doesn’t seem too data driven to me, quite the opposite in fact. It’s agenda driven.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


Nice try there board people. It isn’t true because (and I will continue to say this until I see what your plan turns into for grandfathering) when you consider disturbing children’s high school experience, you are not taking the best interest of the individual child to heart. Education is about relationships and children (especially teens) need to build trust in their environment. To distrust high school experiences for hundreds/thousands of kids ford a nebulous ‘for the good of all eventually” is to pit parent interest (a their kid) against the greater good for 2 YEARS. It is far more distrust I’ve to have to start over with a new friend group, get to know new teachers, date, try out for sports teams etc while also worrying about colleges and applications than it is to go to school in a trailer for 2 years. I

The idea that this is your argument is ridiculous. Ricardo Anderson said it best in the general meeting when she took the board to task and said that all of you are making this much much harder and oppositional than it needs to be. By not guaranteeing grandfathering, you showed that you are putting data before children. That isn’t a poor excuse for a school system.


In a school system of close to 200,000 the school board has to operate by the data.
If you want evaluation of each child move to a rural system with a single high school of 300 kids. It would take awhile but a school board could feasibly evaluate changes for their impact on each child.
You could also homeschool.


No that is what you tell yourself. Stop talking about mental health and stop talking about the importance of building relationships as the antidote to attendance issues, school shootings etc. dr Reid drones in about how important relationships are and then wants to break up many of them.

The worst part is how you have bullied teachers out of teaching trying to tell them to bring up test scores for high impact groups. They were giving kids low expectations or not working hard enough and not believing in the kids. For years.

And the second it comes to roost at the boards door step you are ready to transfer kids to make the data better. Because now with the new state standards you are feeling more accountable and you can’t pawn it all off on the non existent teaching force. Accountability is an interesting thing and you are shirking your very real responsibility to all children by manipulating student populations to make data better without improving student outcomes. And I find it reprehensible.

You don’t really want people to start using homeschooling or online school. You need the data.
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen


Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.



That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.


We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.


Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible


DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.


Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.


Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?


All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.


Nice try there board people. It isn’t true because (and I will continue to say this until I see what your plan turns into for grandfathering) when you consider disturbing children’s high school experience, you are not taking the best interest of the individual child to heart. Education is about relationships and children (especially teens) need to build trust in their environment. To distrust high school experiences for hundreds/thousands of kids ford a nebulous ‘for the good of all eventually” is to pit parent interest (a their kid) against the greater good for 2 YEARS. It is far more distrust I’ve to have to start over with a new friend group, get to know new teachers, date, try out for sports teams etc while also worrying about colleges and applications than it is to go to school in a trailer for 2 years. I

The idea that this is your argument is ridiculous. Ricardo Anderson said it best in the general meeting when she took the board to task and said that all of you are making this much much harder and oppositional than it needs to be. By not guaranteeing grandfathering, you showed that you are putting data before children. That isn’t a poor excuse for a school system.


In a school system of close to 200,000 the school board has to operate by the data.
If you want evaluation of each child move to a rural system with a single high school of 300 kids. It would take awhile but a school board could feasibly evaluate changes for their impact on each child.
You could also homeschool.


The data would show enrollment in FCPS is stable and even slightly down. So the conditions are quite different now that existed when county-wide adjustments were last being made in the 70s and 80s (rapid growth followed by a rapid decline in enrollment). Any truly necessary changes can be done through one-off studies.

The desire for a county-wide study now is not data-driven, but instead a reflection of just how politically motivated School Board positions have become, with folks like Karl Frisch who want to avoid personal accountability now in office and hoping they can insulate themselves from criticism by claiming to farm out responsibility to third-party consultants.
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