FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

I’m sure Lake Anne kids would love to be bussed 37 minutes (current time, not even rush hour) vs. 13 to SLHS.

Why is it that transportation cost is only a factor when it suits you?

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

If you live in western GF or Clifton or what have you, you know it’s really far “out there” and you’re going to have a drive no matter where your kids go to school. The areas on the outer edges of Fairfax Station go to Sangster and Lake Braddock because where else would they go? It’s not close to anything.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

I’m sure Lake Anne kids would love to be bussed 37 minutes (current time, not even rush hour) vs. 13 to SLHS.

Why is it that transportation cost is only a factor when it suits you?

Maybe they’d prefer that, just like some Forestville families apparently prefer the longer commute to Langley over the much shorter commute up Herndon. Or maybe they wouldn’t.

Again, I’m not arguing for these changes. I’m simply disputing the premise that Langley could never be more than about 4% FARMS due to its location and county zoning. It’s up to others to decide whether that juice (more diversity at Langley) is worth the squeeze.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

That would be great for McLean! Drop that FARMS rate!

You can’t have high McLean and Langley farms rates without busing. Sorry social engineers.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

Make it Forest Edge rather than Lake Anne and the boundaries are contiguous.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

I’m sure Lake Anne kids would love to be bussed 37 minutes (current time, not even rush hour) vs. 13 to SLHS.

Why is it that transportation cost is only a factor when it suits you?

Maybe they’d prefer that, just like some Forestville families apparently prefer the longer commute to Langley over the much shorter commute up Herndon. Or maybe they wouldn’t.

Again, I’m not arguing for these changes. I’m simply disputing the premise that Langley could never be more than about 4% FARMS due to its location and county zoning. It’s up to others to decide whether that juice (more diversity at Langley) is worth the squeeze.

I’m sure bussing farms kids always works out.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

That would be great for McLean! Drop that FARMS rate!

You can’t have high McLean and Langley farms rates without busing. Sorry social engineers.

Westgate is about 70% a Marshall feeder.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

Make it Forest Edge rather than Lake Anne and the boundaries are contiguous.

You love assuming kids are fungible. Kinda gross.

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Now get MVHS to 30-40% FARMS or whatever the target is, while keeping Hayfield, West Potomac, South County, etc. roughly where they are right now and not giving anyone a 30+ minute bus commute up Rt. 1 past Belvoir. LOLOL.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

I’m sure Lake Anne kids would love to be bussed 37 minutes (current time, not even rush hour) vs. 13 to SLHS.

Why is it that transportation cost is only a factor when it suits you?

Maybe they’d prefer that, just like some Forestville families apparently prefer the longer commute to Langley over the much shorter commute up Herndon. Or maybe they wouldn’t.

Again, I’m not arguing for these changes. I’m simply disputing the premise that Langley could never be more than about 4% FARMS due to its location and county zoning. It’s up to others to decide whether that juice (more diversity at Langley) is worth the squeeze.

I’m sure bussing farms kids always works out.

That’s a relevant consideration. If a Forestville kid even takes a bus to Langley, they might be able to drive or get driven if they miss it. FARMS kids who live further away with working parents and fewer resources may not have that luxury.

However, it’s also possible le the decision-makers might conclude there are compensating benefits. The point remains that it would feasible for Langley to have contiguous boundaries that extend further south, do not extend as far west, and increase the FARMS rate at the school - if they decide that is worth pursuing.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

Make it Forest Edge rather than Lake Anne and the boundaries are contiguous.

You love assuming kids are fungible. Kinda gross.

The Great Falls Citizens Association was more than happy to engage in similar exercises in the past.

I’m not sure how many times you need me to say I’m against any big boundary changes now, at a time when county enrollments are flat/declining. Happy to say it again.

However, if people want to make false claims about FCPS’s inability to increase the FARMS rate at Langley, McLean, etc, I’m also prepare to challenge them.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

That would be great for McLean! Drop that FARMS rate!

You can’t have high McLean and Langley farms rates without busing. Sorry social engineers.

Doesnt most of Westgate go to Marshall?

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Anonymous wrote:Now get MVHS to 30-40% FARMS or whatever the target is, while keeping Hayfield, West Potomac, South County, etc. roughly where they are right now and not giving anyone a 30+ minute bus commute up Rt. 1 past Belvoir. LOLOL.

That is tougher nut to crack. Maybe they would move Fort Hunt minus the current FH island to MV just to increase the enrollment at MV and reduce the enrollment at West Po. It would have a modest impact on the FARMS rates at MV and West Po, but it certainly wouldn’t get MV down to the 30-40% range.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we should/could attend the current high school meeting and the high school our kids may attend.

Remember the kids are watching and those minority income kids want to see their ‘white saviors” excited about moving in the middle of high school!

How exactly does the school board believe berating people into feeling bad about wanting high performing schools for their kids will help the kids?

All children deserve high-performance schools.
The board can make that happen by starting from scratch and moving enough high-performing children to schools that need them.
In the end, all the schools and the children in them will be better off.

That only works with extensive bussing which will never happen

Children already ride buses 🚌 to school.

If you are saying that transit times would drastically increase trying to distribute family incomes EQUALLY, you are correct.
That would result in ridiculously gerrymandered boundaries.

We can make things less drastically imbalanced with boundaries that decrease transit times substantially for some children, increase it insignificantly for some, and keep it the same for many others.

That's not how things work. West Potomac HS was formed by the merger of Fort Hunt HS and Groveton HS. In today's terms, Fort Hunt was like Langley and Groveton was like Annandale or Falls Church. The schools combined and, over time, West Potomac ended up looking a lot more like Groveton than Fort Hunt.

We can’t keep the status quo. It’s untenable for the disparities to be so vast in the same system.

Poverty in concentrated. Draw boundaries that take MVHS bellow 40% FARMS with out putting West Potomac and Hayfield well above 40%. Now draw boundaries that get Langley to even 15%. Neither is possible

DP. It would be possible to get Langley close to 15% FARMS by drawing contiguous boundaries that dip further south into Tysons and especially Reston, but not as far west in Great Falls.

Nope. Herndon perhaps, but those $900,000 homes in Reston aren’t going to yield any significant FARMS. Also, to get from Reston to Langley requires a LONG LONG commute, including across 7 during rush hour, and I keep hearing commute time as the only purported justification for moving Forestville (or part of Forestville) to Herndon.

Make up your mind.

Do you think there’s some magic Express Lane that gets kids to Langley from Forestville?

Assign part of Tysons, including the new all-affordable housing off Spring Hill Road, to Langley, along with a feeder like Lake Anne (about 50% FARMS), move a good chunk of Great Falls to other pyramids, and you get Langley fairly close to 15% FARMS.

I’m not even advocating for this, mind you, just disputing the false assertion that, by dint of geography and zoning, Langley can never be over 4% FARMS.

You don’t have to cherry pick a far off elementary school that doesn’t have a continuous boundary. Pick up the Spring Hill attendance island and swap Forestville for Westgate. You could potentially hit 10%

That would be great for McLean! Drop that FARMS rate!

You can’t have high McLean and Langley farms rates without busing. Sorry social engineers.

Doesnt most of Westgate go to Marshall?

Yes - about 70%.

If they wanted to increase the FARMS rate at McLean they could send the Lemon Road kids zoned to McLean to Marshall and assign more of Westgate to McLean.