US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

In synopsis I glanced, the Court summarized affirmative action is stereotypical, something to that effect, assuming all race thinks alike, are similar, etc. I guess affirmative action assumes certain people are just naturally challenged intellectually. This is a great day for URM, as they will no longer be assumed to be inferior. Those who make it will be presumed to be qualified. Finally, URMs will receive equal treatment under the law. It's a great day in America when all people, whites, brown, and blacks are judged by the content of their character.

Are student-athletes assumed to be inferior?

Are third-generation alumni students assumed to be inferior?

Yes, and yes

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very emotional today even though I knew this was coming. I am asian and my child is asian and white, and yet I still felt overcome with sadness when I heard the opinion today. In particular, Chief Justice Roberts carving out an exception to allow affirmative action for military academies only and Justice Brown's dissent calling out the hypocrisy of the majority opinion wanting people of color to be recruited in "the bunkers but not the board room" was especially strong. And don't get me started on the irony of Justice Thomas' personal narrative arguing against it.

I’m so sick of this argument - suggesting Justice Thomas would not have succeeded without admissions standards being lowered to let him in to school. THIS IS THE STIGMA. What were his scores? Does anyone even know? His position is not ironic. Yours is.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopeful people can now stop blaming black and Latinos for not getting in now.

They will find someone else to blame.

ALDC

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Footnote #22 of the majority opinion authored by Chief Justice Roberts notes that this ruling does NOT apply to the US military academies.

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Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

Yes, this. The white population will increase at elite schools and all other races will decline. This organization lost when a white person was the face of the lawsuit so they found Asians to be the front. Worked like a charm.

They lost challenging geography the first time around and they won challenging race the second. White rural parents with smart kids should be popping champaign

You mean Miller High Life, the Champagne of beers.

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Affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. And yes, Asians were definitely discriminated if you know anything about the true history of these great United States.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Sadly, this is not true. My tween recognized racism while we're were at our vacation home which is in a MAGA area. I was a part of a lawsuit based on unfair financial discrimination only because I am Black. My brother and husband have been pulled over and harassed for driving expensive vehicles. We have plenty of experiences to share and write about and our essay coaches will make sure they are well written.

A Black family that can afford a vacation home asking for special treatment over Asian families that don't even own a primary home! Interesting.. I get the racism part but that shouldn't be offset by priority over others for college admission.

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Anonymous wrote:The best school option for any white kid in DC will be Banneker high school.
it's an application high school that is about 95% black.
Go there, do well---BAM. Ivy admit.
I know a few white kids there now. They are golden--beyond golden.

Which colleges have recent (2021-2023) white Banneker grads attended? Please list them, along with the number of Banneker grads attending from those years.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

(OP here): I agree with the above post.

The decision means that race can still be used as a subjective factor in considering an individual's application for admission, but race cannot b used as an objective factor.

I don't think subjective/objective are the right words. The court did not invalidate considering race in the context of an individual's specific application and the applicant's qualities, so long as it is not making stereotypical generalizations about the individual based solely on their race. It's discussion of an individual applicant's race wasn't about objective/subjective; rather about generalized/stereotyped/assumed versus specific/individualized/expressed.

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Anonymous wrote:What made Blacks have more barrier than Asians?????????????????

Ok, Asians. Let's imagine: 80% of your fathers will be jailed tomorrow (maybe for driving their car, mowing their own lawn or studying in their college dorm common area ). And because they are now that your father is in the jail system, economists will tell you that the chance you will be arrested just increased by 30-40%. Meanwhile, your friend just got shot and killed. You are angry, it's hard to study or even think. You go to school but cannot concentrate. People are telling you that you amount to nothing. The expectations for your life are low. Now, if that was the case, do you think the college numbers would be as high????????????????????

I seriously doubt colleges actually like this kind of victim mentally.

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

In synopsis I glanced, the Court summarized affirmative action is stereotypical, something to that effect, assuming all race thinks alike, are similar, etc. I guess affirmative action assumes certain people are just naturally challenged intellectually. This is a great day for URM, as they will no longer be assumed to be inferior. Those who make it will be presumed to be qualified. Finally, URMs will receive equal treatment under the law. It's a great day in America when all people, whites, brown, and blacks are judged by the content of their character.

Are student-athletes assumed to be inferior?

Are third-generation alumni students assumed to be inferior?

Yes, and yes

Thank you for your honest answers. But, as of today, it is still permissible to discriminate in their favor.

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Whitey strikes again. Every Trump supporter is on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm new to the United States. What is the discrimination against Asians? Is it that they're proportionately more qualified than others so less get in? And is it a win for whites because they are the majority so they presumably get in less when other races get into these schools? For white people -- could it just be that everyone just can't get into the school b/c of the limited amount of seats, no matter what? As for Asians, the same thing? What happens when Harvard is, like, 50% Asian? Will there be an issue then?

Oh please. "What is the discrimination?" There was evidence in the record that admissions committees were giving Asians lower "personality" ratings after the interviewers who actually met them scored them on par with everyone else. Harvard never explained this. There are a lot of statements by these schools quoted in the opinion. The intent was clear. The question was whether it crossed the line into being unconstitutional and the court said yes.

How could we prove that a number of Asians were Chinese nationals who were college educated adults posing as 18 year olds?

I have no idea what this means except that it is a shining example of the racist tropes against Asians.

The vast majority of the Asian college admits to Harvard etc are US citizens. Maybe you don't consider them to be real Americans though.

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Anonymous wrote:Note that the Supreme Court did not ban gender consciousness in college admissions. Nor did it ban legacy consciousness, wealth consciousness, geographic consciousness, or athletic consciousness. Race, and only race, is the thing the conservatives don’t want colleges and universities to look at. Because race is the card white people use that never gets declined. It is their most powerful characteristic, the one through which all else is possible.

White males continue to have a preference in admissions as colleges seek to balance the gender scale.

No, it’s because we have laws prohibiting racial discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Sadly, this is not true. My tween recognized racism while we're were at our vacation home which is in a MAGA area. I was a part of a lawsuit based on unfair financial discrimination only because I am Black. My brother and husband have been pulled over and harassed for driving expensive vehicles. We have plenty of experiences to share and write about and our essay coaches will make sure they are well written.

A Black family that can afford a vacation home asking for special treatment over Asian families that don't even own a primary home! Interesting.. I get the racism part but that shouldn't be offset by priority over others for college admission.

Luckily, some highly selective colleges disagree with you. And the Supreme Court said that, for admissions purposes, these colleges can consider this information in the essays.