DHS Creating "Disinformation Governance Board"

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Not when they harm people.

And why is it SO DAMN IMPORTANT for you people to constantly, willfully spread vicious, harmful and destructive lies? Why do you insist on being so vile and destructive?

The problem is that the government should not be censoring information or opinions.
The other issue is that much of what has been censored has been proven true. And, it was censored at the behest of our government.
And, it wasn't JUST about Covid.

Get off your dishonest high horse. FAR more of the COVID BS was proven FALSE than was proven true. And that continues to be the case with much of what comes from toxic pundits and politicians.

The bigger problem is that we have far too many dishonest and toxic people in our society who have nothing positive to offer, so instead they try to drag everyone else down and destroy them with their lies rather than trying to be more positive, constructive and productive.

I would argue with your first statement.
But, even if it were true...... the government has NO AUTHORITY to censor the speech. NONE.

There is something to your last statement.... I remember what happened to the Covington Catholic kids a few years back when the left tried to smear them with lies. It was horrendous.

How about you stop defending lies and liars. How about you stop defending people who are destroying America.

How about you get just as outraged at the government violating the 1st amendment rights of citizens.

Yeah that wouldn't be happening if people stopped telling so many toxic lies. If you're worried about people having to face consequences for lies then maybe you should focus on the lies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

It wasn't "very few" - there were HUGE disparities in vaccination rates, directly correlated with political leanings, and the lies and conspiracy theories driving people away from vaccines found their hotbed in conservative circles. The huge disparity shows those lies were indeed effective with a large number of people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

Polling shows 70% of Republicans believe the "election was stolen" LIE.

It's a LIE. And it was directly responsible for the violence of J6. It was a violent, destructive lie that got people killed.

Stop with your LIES that "very few people believe that stuff."

Stop pretending that it's all free fair game to tell whatever lies you like no matter the consequences. You are part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

Polling shows 70% of Republicans believe the "election was stolen" LIE.

It's a LIE. And it was directly responsible for the violence of J6. It was a violent, destructive lie that got people killed.

Stop with your LIES that "very few people believe that stuff."

Stop pretending that it's all free fair game to tell whatever lies you like no matter the consequences. You are part of the problem.

So, claiming that the election was stolen or illegitimate is speech that should be censored? Is that what you are saying?

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

Polling shows 70% of Republicans believe the "election was stolen" LIE.

It's a LIE. And it was directly responsible for the violence of J6. It was a violent, destructive lie that got people killed.

Stop with your LIES that "very few people believe that stuff."

Stop pretending that it's all free fair game to tell whatever lies you like no matter the consequences. You are part of the problem.

So, claiming that the election was stolen or illegitimate is speech that should be censored? Is that what you are saying?

There was very little actual censoring even going on. The right wing freaked out over fact checks while leaving the content uncensored. Outraged over the lies being called out.

However when there is damage, destruction, loss of life caused by a lie, those central to the lie should be held accountable. IMHO Trump, Stone and others should be prosecuted as accessory to murder over J6.

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

Polling shows 70% of Republicans believe the "election was stolen" LIE.

It's a LIE. And it was directly responsible for the violence of J6. It was a violent, destructive lie that got people killed.

Stop with your LIES that "very few people believe that stuff."

Stop pretending that it's all free fair game to tell whatever lies you like no matter the consequences. You are part of the problem.

So, claiming that the election was stolen or illegitimate is speech that should be censored? Is that what you are saying?

In the case of the Big Steal lie, J6 happened and people died because of it. I think the main figures who promoted the lie should be punished, should be made to publicly retract their lies and apologize to America for them. There absolutely do need to be consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

Polling shows 70% of Republicans believe the "election was stolen" LIE.

It's a LIE. And it was directly responsible for the violence of J6. It was a violent, destructive lie that got people killed.

Stop with your LIES that "very few people believe that stuff."

Stop pretending that it's all free fair game to tell whatever lies you like no matter the consequences. You are part of the problem.

So, claiming that the election was stolen or illegitimate is speech that should be censored? Is that what you are saying?

In the case of the Big Steal lie, J6 happened and people died because of it. I think the main figures who promoted the lie should be punished, should be made to publicly retract their lies and apologize to America for them. There absolutely do need to be consequences.

So, if someone claims an election is stolen or illegitimate, and others act out because of it, it should be prosecuted.
But, if someone claims an election is stolen or illegitimate, and nobody acts on it, it is ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Covid truths" like microchips and mind control 😆

The PP who thinks she's on the righteous side of truth and justice for continually yammering on about "yabut covid came from China" sounds like a master of the obvious but an absolute idiot.

You know damn well that very few people bought into the microchips or mind control (that is a new one to me).

We do know that, among other things, Covid likely came from a lab; having the vaccine does not prevent one from spreading the virus; masks are not effective in stopping the spread of Covid; Hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower Covid mortality in a recent French study; there are side effects associated with the vaccine - myocarditis and irregular menstrual bleeding being just two; and the laptop does belong to Hunter Biden.

Many of the statements above were censored on social media - and in media in general.

All of this. It was wild to experience in real time. I was trying to get pregnant at the time and posting about the menstrual abnormalities I was experiencing and got shut down nonstop.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Not when they harm people.

And why is it SO DAMN IMPORTANT for you people to constantly, willfully spread vicious, harmful and destructive lies? Why do you insist on being so vile and destructive?

The problem is that the government should not be censoring information or opinions.
The other issue is that much of what has been censored has been proven true. And, it was censored at the behest of our government.
And, it wasn't JUST about Covid.

Get off your dishonest high horse. FAR more of the COVID BS was proven FALSE than was proven true. And that continues to be the case with much of what comes from toxic pundits and politicians.

The bigger problem is that we have far too many dishonest and toxic people in our society who have nothing positive to offer, so instead they try to drag everyone else down and destroy them with their lies rather than trying to be more positive, constructive and productive.

I would argue with your first statement.
But, even if it were true...... the government has NO AUTHORITY to censor the speech. NONE.

There is something to your last statement.... I remember what happened to the Covington Catholic kids a few years back when the left tried to smear them with lies. It was horrendous.

Sorry but that is absolutely false. You absolutely WILL be censored and even arrested for many forms of "speech" - in many forms as already described by people upthread. If you sell a product as a remedy you absolutely can be told to remove false or unproven medical claims about it, as an example. Or, Stolen Valor laws regarding wearing a military uniform when you did not serve, or military medals you did not earn. Or impersonating a police officer. You absolutely will be told to stop, and it's entirely likely you may be arrested as well. The government does indeed have such authority.

And, we are not talking about any of those. We are talking about speech and opinions on social media that the government disagrees with.

No, we're talking about proven lies and disinformation. You're the only one here trying to twist it into being about legitimate political viewpoints.

do you think the first amendment only protects “legitimate political viewpoints”?

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

Fact checking is often used to quell dissension, not check facts. Everyone knows what Silicon Valley was doing was putting their thumb on the political scale. Don't act like it's anything otherwise.

NO.

Sorry but it's not "dissention" when it's a proven lie. Your factless half assed opinions and outright lies do not carry equal weight to documented, proven facts.

Still covered by the 1A. Same with calling a biological male is woman - completely factless and verifiably false, but still legal to claim.

Not covered when the lies can be shown to cause damage. You aren't allowed to make false claims about products, you aren't allowed to falsely hold yourself out to be a physician, engineer, attorney, you aren't allowed to threaten to kill or harm someone or their property and so on. 1A is not absolute and the courts and lawmakers have NEVER considered 1A to cover harmful and destructive lies.

the extent to which “lies” can be legally prohibited is very, very narrow and absolutely would NOT extend to the highly attenuated claim that discussion of the lab leak theory led to attacks on Asians. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12180#:~:text=The%20Supreme%20Court%20has%20said,without%20violating%20the%20First%20Amendment.

But what amazes me about people like you is how you cannot see that allowing “lies” or “harmful speech” to be banned whenever the government want is absolutely going to impact your pet causes. See: Desantis.

The TL;DR of that document:

While the government has limited ability to regulate speech that is proven to cause harm, it must do so within the bounds of the First Amendment. The government cannot discriminate against speakers based on their viewpoint, but it can regulate speech in certain circumstances, such as when it poses a clear and present danger to public safety.

Some additional points here - https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/may-2022/speaking-versus-regulating-the-government-speech

and “clear and present danger” is an incredibly narrow category.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Try telling that to the J6 dopes locked up in prison over lies and conspiracy theories, babe.

god you are an absolute moron. the J6 defendents were jailed for their actions (invading the capitol) not for posting “the election was stolen” on FB.

You have got to be shitting me.

You're the absolute moron for completely missing the point. The J6 defendants actions WERE BECAUSE OF the "election was stolen" lies on FB.

maybe, but the charges were for the people who stormed the capitol. not the speech.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Not when they harm people.

And why is it SO DAMN IMPORTANT for you people to constantly, willfully spread vicious, harmful and destructive lies? Why do you insist on being so vile and destructive?

The problem is that the government should not be censoring information or opinions.
The other issue is that much of what has been censored has been proven true. And, it was censored at the behest of our government.
And, it wasn't JUST about Covid.

Get off your dishonest high horse. FAR more of the COVID BS was proven FALSE than was proven true. And that continues to be the case with much of what comes from toxic pundits and politicians.

The bigger problem is that we have far too many dishonest and toxic people in our society who have nothing positive to offer, so instead they try to drag everyone else down and destroy them with their lies rather than trying to be more positive, constructive and productive.

I would argue with your first statement.
But, even if it were true...... the government has NO AUTHORITY to censor the speech. NONE.

There is something to your last statement.... I remember what happened to the Covington Catholic kids a few years back when the left tried to smear them with lies. It was horrendous.

Sorry but that is absolutely false. You absolutely WILL be censored and even arrested for many forms of "speech" - in many forms as already described by people upthread. If you sell a product as a remedy you absolutely can be told to remove false or unproven medical claims about it, as an example. Or, Stolen Valor laws regarding wearing a military uniform when you did not serve, or military medals you did not earn. Or impersonating a police officer. You absolutely will be told to stop, and it's entirely likely you may be arrested as well. The government does indeed have such authority.

the government does not have the authority to censor what it deems “lies” on the internet. period. please cite the case law you believe supports that. ps the stolen valor law was overturned.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Not when they harm people.

And why is it SO DAMN IMPORTANT for you people to constantly, willfully spread vicious, harmful and destructive lies? Why do you insist on being so vile and destructive?

The problem is that the government should not be censoring information or opinions.
The other issue is that much of what has been censored has been proven true. And, it was censored at the behest of our government.
And, it wasn't JUST about Covid.

Get off your dishonest high horse. FAR more of the COVID BS was proven FALSE than was proven true. And that continues to be the case with much of what comes from toxic pundits and politicians.

The bigger problem is that we have far too many dishonest and toxic people in our society who have nothing positive to offer, so instead they try to drag everyone else down and destroy them with their lies rather than trying to be more positive, constructive and productive.

I would argue with your first statement.
But, even if it were true...... the government has NO AUTHORITY to censor the speech. NONE.

There is something to your last statement.... I remember what happened to the Covington Catholic kids a few years back when the left tried to smear them with lies. It was horrendous.

Sorry but that is absolutely false. You absolutely WILL be censored and even arrested for many forms of "speech" - in many forms as already described by people upthread. If you sell a product as a remedy you absolutely can be told to remove false or unproven medical claims about it, as an example. Or, Stolen Valor laws regarding wearing a military uniform when you did not serve, or military medals you did not earn. Or impersonating a police officer. You absolutely will be told to stop, and it's entirely likely you may be arrested as well. The government does indeed have such authority.

the government does not have the authority to censor what it deems “lies” on the internet. period. please cite the case law you believe supports that. ps the stolen valor law was overturned.

The government has the authority to advise a business that there are malign foreign actors flooding their business with lies. And the business has the right to choose to censor those lies.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

Fact checking is often used to quell dissension, not check facts. Everyone knows what Silicon Valley was doing was putting their thumb on the political scale. Don't act like it's anything otherwise.

NO.

Sorry but it's not "dissention" when it's a proven lie. Your factless half assed opinions and outright lies do not carry equal weight to documented, proven facts.

Still covered by the 1A. Same with calling a biological male is woman - completely factless and verifiably false, but still legal to claim.

Not covered when the lies can be shown to cause damage. You aren't allowed to make false claims about products, you aren't allowed to falsely hold yourself out to be a physician, engineer, attorney, you aren't allowed to threaten to kill or harm someone or their property and so on. 1A is not absolute and the courts and lawmakers have NEVER considered 1A to cover harmful and destructive lies.

The bolded is funny. I remember a certain president (that is currently in office btw) saying that if you get the vaccine you cannot get covid. Has he been jailed for lying about a product? Nope.

You know why the covid vaccine is still under EUA for young kids? It hasn't been shown to be effective. But this current administration is pushing for young kids to get it because it "saves lives". Provides no benefit to those U12 kids, so it that lying about a product? I would say yes. But no one has been charged with a crime because of 1A.

Also, people lie about products All. The. Time. Ever seen a TV add for a non-FDA supplement? They lie.

You know what is also covered? Certain threats that do not incite violence or are a directs threat. Chant "kill the rich!" and you won't be thrown in jail. Remember when people were calling for "burning it all down!" during the 2020 summer of love? They weren't arrested. All covered by 1A.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding how the far right has hamstrung and neutered our nation's ability to counter foreign psyops and disinfo just because they are butthurt over being fact checked online.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/gop-muzzled-quiet-coalition-fought-foreign-propaganda-rcna103373

It's a fact that COVID did not leak from a Chinese lab, right?

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

DP.
Please. The government should not be in the business of restricting the speech of others UNLESS it is threatening or dangerous. Expressing ones opinion on vaccines and the efficacy of them is NOT a reason to restrict speech.
BTW - I have believed all along that the virus originated in a lab and I don't buy into the other crap you wrote - except that the vaccine is not necessary for healthy children. RSV is much, much more dangerous to children. Covid - not so much.
I also have believed from the start that masks don't really work at containing the virus - which turns out to be true.
And, then there is that "6 feet" rule which was also a bunch of bunk.
All kinds of information has been censored by the govt which has turned out to be true. They need to stay out of the business of restricting speech since it is - you know - against the law.

Why don’t you ask all the Asian Americans who got physically assaulted if that speech was dangerous or not.

You do understand that Trump was in charge at that time. If the government could censor the media, it would have been official government policy that COVID was of Chinese origin. Any contrary opinion would have been censored as disinformation.

But covid did originate in China.

You had no evidence of a lab leak when you started pushing that conspiracy theory. Refer back to the response above:

That one falls in the "broken clock is right twice a day" category. Note that the exact same people who ran around saying COVID leaked from a Chinese lab (without evidence) also said:

- COVID is just a hoax engineered by the government to control people: FALSE

- The vaccines contain microchips: FALSE

- The vaccines alter your DNA: FALSE

- The vaccines cause severe side effects and are worse than COVID itself: FALSE, and proven instances of severe side effects were EXTREMELY rare (like one in a million, and you were 32 times more likely to end up with myocarditis if you were unvaccinated and got covid than if you were vaccinated

- The vaccines are not effective: FALSE

- We should not give the vaccines to children: FALSE - turned out that vaccinated kids were 80% less likely to end up in the ER than vaccinated kids

Don't dare get all self rightous over being accidentally right with ONE conspiracy theory out of the DOZENS that you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON.

conspiracy theories are protected by the first amendment, babe.

Try telling that to the J6 dopes locked up in prison over lies and conspiracy theories, babe.

god you are an absolute moron. the J6 defendents were jailed for their actions (invading the capitol) not for posting “the election was stolen” on FB.

You have got to be shitting me.

You're the absolute moron for completely missing the point. The J6 defendants actions WERE BECAUSE OF the "election was stolen" lies on FB.

Action is the key word here. We are talking about disinformation, which is speech. Them believing the election was stolen is still covered by the 1A.

Same when democrats claim that the supreme court is "illegitimate" It is a lie, disinformation for sure, but people are allowed to voice their opinions free from government interference .