Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

+1 this was a scene where the IC would've been vital. This was lots of miscommunication between Blake,Justin, and the other writers producers on set. Blake has issues misinterpreting situations.

I fully agree that there should have been an ic to avoid situations like this. But I don’t see sexual harassment in the raw footage and, while I understand that any number of things can make someone uncomfortable, I see no evidence of sexual harassment here. That “you smell good” comment presented out of context as proof of his creepiness really hurts her narrative of events

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absurd - they are trying to pretend this is a normal workplace setting where touching is off limits and not a romcom set! https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-lively-breaks-silence-on-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us-footage/

"No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent." The whole longer statement context just makes it even more clearly out of touch with reality.

I know you'll all yell at me but I agree with what they are saying here. I do think the video shows pretty much what she described in her complaint. I don't see anything in this scene that disproves her complaint or catches her in a lie.

I think the damning thing is that the intimacy coordinator wasn't on set for the scene when he was improvising this stuff. Yes it's a romance and the movie has sex and intimacy. But that's what the IC is for, they could have avoided problems by just including her. I also think that having her on set might have resolves some of the difficulty of Baldoni directing these scenes while also being in them.

In her complaint she claimed he said she smelled good unprompted. That wasn't true. It was because she talked about her tanning lotion.

On the other hand Justin made it seem like she was intentionally being nasty to him by calling him a pyscho and made fun of his nose to hurt him. That wasn't true either.

Not really. His lawsuit was trying to get across the point that Blake Lively had double standards, claiming Baldoni made comments about her appearance even though she was talking shit about his nose. "Baldoni, rather than write down a list of grievances against Lively, brushed it off and moved on with the scene."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

+1 this was a scene where the IC would've been vital. This was lots of miscommunication between Blake,Justin, and the other writers producers on set. Blake has issues misinterpreting situations.

I fully agree that there should have been an ic to avoid situations like this. But I don’t see sexual harassment in the raw footage and, while I understand that any number of things can make someone uncomfortable, I see no evidence of sexual harassment here. That “you smell good” comment presented out of context as proof of his creepiness really hurts her narrative of events

Part of his complaint was that they had an IC but BL refused to meet with her and JB and (presumably) the other cast members in similar roles did and it wasn't part of the contract an IC be present at all times, only that one had been consulted (which they were). Idk. I don't think it looks great to blow off a meeting with an IC and then turn around and claim sexual harassment when this is your proof. It's sort of making your boundaries a non issue and then claiming they were violated despite others on the set following agreed upon channels.

I think at bare minimum it is clear BL wass running this movie and set like her own and setting a lot of the terms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

Even if all this is true. Doesn’t this just make him a bad director? I don’t see any intent here to harass or abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

+1 this was a scene where the IC would've been vital*. This was lots of miscommunication between Blake,Justin, and the other writers producers on set. Blake has issues misinterpreting situations.

Honest question - is an IC typical for this type of scene that's basically closeness/kissing? Versus nudity, s*x etc - contrasting this to an R rated scene and wondering what Hollywood norms are.

Agree as a CYA it would clearly have been best for him and under this scenario where he's the director + acting partner in it.

[Anonymous]

She refused the IC , it’s all documented.

Blake’s goose is cooked and I am here for it.

[Anonymous]

I think what will happen is that JB and Wayfair will get dinged in court for not having the IC on set at all times involving intimate scenes, and then for hiring a crisis PR team after BL complained. And JB’s lawsuits will fail. Still, most people will end up emotionally siding with JB because he didn’t harass her in the way that most people understand it. But all these details and videos won’t matter; the court will say that she says she felt uncomfortable and said so, and that’s enough. They aren’t going to want to dissect each instance as the public is. (Look how that’s working out here; we see completely different things.) At the end of the day, JB will be declared a harasser (at least on paper), and he’ll have to deal with that.

BL’s career will take a hit, but she’ll be even more insufferable and sanctimonious because she “won.” She will act the martyr and view herself as a symbol of SH and what happens to women when they speak up. RR will be fine because straight men don’t even know or care who JB or BL are, or have any awareness of this case. Those that do will think of JB as that creepy man bun guy from Deadpool.

The big winner will be this crappy movie, because now I actually want to see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

+1 this was a scene where the IC would've been vital. This was lots of miscommunication between Blake,Justin, and the other writers producers on set. Blake has issues misinterpreting situations.

I fully agree that there should have been an ic to avoid situations like this. But I don’t see sexual harassment in the raw footage and, while I understand that any number of things can make someone uncomfortable, I see no evidence of sexual harassment here. That “you smell good” comment presented out of context as proof of his creepiness really hurts her narrative of events

I don't see harrassment either. I see Baldoni doing acting looking at her and dancing with her like they are characters falling in love. It is not clear to me why Blake has such a hard time doing a scene where they are just dancing and gazing at each other. I can't tell whether she was uncomfortable with the idea of playing the romantic intimacy or whether she was actually attracted to Baldoni and did not want to go there because it was getting weird. She was smiling a lot which makes me think that she was just uncomfortable with the chemistry and did not want to play the "in love" thing. Maybe it's true what people are saying about Ryan Reynolds being controlling, snd she wss aftaid that the intimate scenes would piss Ryan off. I happened to catch Blake Lively's interview on CBS Morning Show when the movie came out. She was very nervous and seemed worried about saying the wrong thing. This was before any lawsuit was filed.

[Anonymous]

Reading a thread on Reddit where most people see an uncomfortable person trying to politely redirect a handsy director. So, I concede, there are a few ways to read this. It’s certainly an interesting case given the setting. Actors acting. He has one vision; she has another.

I think it will come down to having an IC present to avoid situations like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what will happen is that JB and Wayfair will get dinged in court for not having the IC on set at all times involving intimate scenes, and then for hiring a crisis PR team after BL complained. And JB’s lawsuits will fail. Still, most people will end up emotionally siding with JB because he didn’t harass her in the way that most people understand it. But all these details and videos won’t matter; the court will say that she says she felt uncomfortable and said so, and that’s enough. They aren’t going to want to dissect each instance as the public is. (Look how that’s working out here; we see completely different things.) At the end of the day, JB will be declared a harasser (at least on paper), and he’ll have to deal with that.

BL’s career will take a hit, but she’ll be even more insufferable and sanctimonious because she “won.” She will act the martyr and view herself as a symbol of SH and what happens to women when they speak up. RR will be fine because straight men don’t even know or care who JB or BL are, or have any awareness of this case. Those that do will think of JB as that creepy man bun guy from Deadpool.

The big winner will be this crappy movie, because now I actually want to see it.

I think you are being way too optimistic about the me to movement. Trump is president, Zuckerberg felt comfortable in a podcast saying that companies need more energy. Me too is having a blowback, and scenarios like this won’t help because it’s very very vague, very nuanced, and honestly, it seems like they are acting in a scene that called for a lot of intimacy and closeness.

I feel like I’m the one person who has seen this movie, but the scene was very important. There are not a lot of intimate scenes in this movie. It’s a PG-13 summer movie. It’s also not a limited series that has 10 episodes, it’s like a two hour movie. So they have to do a lot with a few scenes. This was the scene where Lily and Ryle are falling in love. They were slow dancing in a crowded bar, scene was shot in slow motion, with no sound, so all that they had was gazing into each other, being close, and a kiss.

I’m really confused about what Justin could’ve done differently or what an intimacy coordinator would’ve done. Do people realize there was literally no such thing as a coordinator until very recently? I think it is a great innovation and so glad that it is now mostly a standard. And if Blake wanted her onset more, it sucks that she was uncomfortable, but I’m just not sure that Justin should again lose his livelihood because of an IC wasn’t on set for this scene.

I don’t think Blake should’ve been surprised by anything in this scene. Justin seemed very professional, and I just don’t think you can even have this debate without showing that she lied about what was happening. He didn’t tell her she smelled good. He was trying to make her feel better when she was apologizing for her body spray smelling badly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m genuinely surprised she’s not getting better advice given all the resources she and her husband have access to. They need to stop putting out these statements that paint her as a junior analyst just out of college type victim. They don’t understand that metoo rhetoric works when there is a power imbalance, and that absent that, you need damning evidence. He is an idiot yes, but he doesn’t have the reputation of woody Allen or Johnny depp. All her incompetent team is doing is feeding more fuel to the social media fire around this story.

They have? I feel at this point they have to just double down.

It’s been super interesting to me that I’m not seeing any more amber tamblyms or other actresses come out with statements.

When the story first broke around Christmas there was definitely a barrage of people not necessarily even commenting directly on this, but sharing their own stories on set. That hasn’t happened since Justin presented his lawsuit. Maybe it’s early with this tape. But it will be interesting to see within the next few days if other people share stories of how they felt uncomfortable on set.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absurd - they are trying to pretend this is a normal workplace setting where touching is off limits and not a romcom set! https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-lively-breaks-silence-on-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us-footage/

"No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent." The whole longer statement context just makes it even more clearly out of touch with reality.

I know you'll all yell at me but I agree with what they are saying here. I do think the video shows pretty much what she described in her complaint. I don't see anything in this scene that disproves her complaint or catches her in a lie.

I think the damning thing is that the intimacy coordinator wasn't on set for the scene when he was improvising this stuff. Yes it's a romance and the movie has sex and intimacy. But that's what the IC is for, they could have avoided problems by just including her. I also think that having her on set might have resolves some of the difficulty of Baldoni directing these scenes while also being in them.

In her complaint she claimed he said she smelled good unprompted. That wasn't true. It was because she talked about her tanning lotion.

On the other hand Justin made it seem like she was intentionally being nasty to him by calling him a pyscho and made fun of his nose to hurt him. That wasn't true either.

Not really. His lawsuit was trying to get across the point that Blake Lively had double standards, claiming Baldoni made comments about her appearance even though she was talking shit about his nose. "Baldoni, rather than write down a list of grievances against Lively, brushed it off and moved on with the scene."

Agree, I didn’t think this was an extra detail at all. It showed that she was fine talking about his body, but she seemed to think that any reference to her body was off-limits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is absurd - they are trying to pretend this is a normal workplace setting where touching is off limits and not a romcom set! https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-lively-breaks-silence-on-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us-footage/

"No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent." The whole longer statement context just makes it even more clearly out of touch with reality.

I know you'll all yell at me but I agree with what they are saying here. I do think the video shows pretty much what she described in her complaint. I don't see anything in this scene that disproves her complaint or catches her in a lie.

I think the damning thing is that the intimacy coordinator wasn't on set for the scene when he was improvising this stuff. Yes it's a romance and the movie has sex and intimacy. But that's what the IC is for, they could have avoided problems by just including her. I also think that having her on set might have resolves some of the difficulty of Baldoni directing these scenes while also being in them.

In her complaint she claimed he said she smelled good unprompted. That wasn't true. It was because she talked about her tanning lotion.

On the other hand Justin made it seem like she was intentionally being nasty to him by calling him a pyscho and made fun of his nose to hurt him. That wasn't true either.

This, but since the burden is on her to show that he was harassing her, she loses this battle. Baldoni included lots of information in his complaint that wasn't legally relevant that made her look bad, such as those examples. He doesn't need to prove she was being nasty to him, but she does need to prove she had a credible claim of sexual harassment. I thought Baldoni's complaint began and ended a whiny mess, but did a great job where it mattered, refuting her 17 points. I've generally been supportive of Lively on the thread, and still believe that his team unleashed a reddit troll army, and my first thought reading his complaint was if he's serious about all this being on tape, then leak it. And he gets credit for backing up his claims. He needs to put the rest out before she goes for a gag order.

The nuance here, I think, is that she claims he conducted the smear campaign with paid trolls (something I still believe to be true, but which is not necessarily illegal) out of retaliation for credible sexual harassment claims (which would make it illegal). His argument would be that he wasn't retaliating, but defending himself against her ginning up a phony sexual harassment claim, and though I hate to say it, this video goes a long way in bolstering that theory.

+1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is absurd - they are trying to pretend this is a normal workplace setting where touching is off limits and not a romcom set! https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-lively-breaks-silence-on-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us-footage/

"No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent." The whole longer statement context just makes it even more clearly out of touch with reality.

I know you'll all yell at me but I agree with what they are saying here. I do think the video shows pretty much what she described in her complaint. I don't see anything in this scene that disproves her complaint or catches her in a lie.

I think the damning thing is that the intimacy coordinator wasn't on set for the scene when he was improvising this stuff. Yes it's a romance and the movie has sex and intimacy. But that's what the IC is for, they could have avoided problems by just including her. I also think that having her on set might have resolves some of the difficulty of Baldoni directing these scenes while also being in them.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She definitely looks uncomfortable and he does keep leaning in and trying to kiss her and she pulls away or speaks and he does kiss her neck a couple times.

But I don’t know enough about filming to know what actors expect and how much improvising and what is appropriate and inappropriate. I don’t get the sense he is harassing her but wants the scene to be a lot more intimate than she does. He doesn’t seem to read the cues that she is uncomfortable.

I can’t imagine a job with this much intimacy and trying to walk these fine lines. I guess that’s why they have the intimacy coordinators. I wonder if the IC was on set during this part checking in with them or if the script just said slow dance - maybe it didn’t seem like it would need her.

+1 this was a scene where the IC would've been vital. This was lots of miscommunication between Blake,Justin, and the other writers producers on set. Blake has issues misinterpreting situations.

I have a hard time believing an “intimacy coordinator” is required for a fully clothed dancing scene with a kiss?