DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

I think the same could be said for many clubs that recruit. And, no, I am not drinking any club's kool aid, including FCV. You are FCV bitter my friend.

How am I bitter? I've said FCV has great DA teams. I'm simply saying that in order to play DA there you do not need play your younger years there. That, just as you did, you can come in from the outside and easily make the team if you have developed well.

May I add, don’t play at FC Virginia and then leave. They will not welcome you back. They will not want your DD. Once they are done with a player, they truly are done.

LOL! Happy players don't leave. I'm not sure those who have left have bothered asking to come back.

[Anonymous]

Early Development similar to other big clubs in the area. I would say that a lot of FCV's top talent consists of players that joined vs were developed so definitely see no benefit in joining early. The question that really needs to be asked here is what is going to happen to FCV down the road. From what I understand a lot of unhappy folks left the club this year while hardly any new players tried out and switched clubs, fields are still a huge issue, no U9 or U10 age bracket....

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Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

Again, if you were "awesome" at developing talent, as is claimed, then you would believe in your own process.

Just be honest with yourself and understand that FCV collects previously developed players. Are the players good? Yes. Congratulations, your kid trained hard SOMEWHERE else and made a strong team. Your kid will play in meaningful games and is at a club where kids get recruited. Accept that for what it is but please don't bang the drum that FCV actually developed your player. They added your player to a team of kids who were already talented and assembled them on a team. That's it. It isn't bitter, it isn't jealousy, it is the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

FCV Staff member adding his five cents

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Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

FCV Staff member adding his five cents

Probably the same one who goes to other clubs tryouts to spy on which FCV players went or what outside kid attending FCVs tryouts they need to get the offer out quickly to.

Yup, if folks want to play for a club that acts like a jealous ex then by all means, sign up for that kind of professionalism.

[Anonymous]

FC Virginia is similar to the New York Yankees. They have a few kids & favorites in their farm system each year & create a great team around them. Aaron Judge comes up & they bring in Gincarlo Stanton.

Free agents or top talent kids want to be on a top team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FC Virginia is similar to the New York Yankees. They have a few kids & favorites in their farm system each year & create a great team around them. Aaron Judge comes up & they bring in Gincarlo Stanton.

Free agents or top talent kids want to be on a top team.

So then this quote would not be a accurate description of FCV:
"It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

I think the same could be said for many clubs that recruit. And, no, I am not drinking any club's kool aid, including FCV. You are FCV bitter my friend.

How am I bitter? I've said FCV has great DA teams. I'm simply saying that in order to play DA there you do not need play your younger years there. That, just as you did, you can come in from the outside and easily make the team if you have developed well.

May I add, don’t play at FC Virginia and then leave. They will not welcome you back. They will not want your DD. Once they are done with a player, they truly are done.

Yeah, that's not a weird way to treat kids at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the two clubs, Loudoun and FCV, I get the sense that FCV is more serious as it relates to girls soccer but I also get the since that the FCV culture is a bit more aggressive. I have read a few past posts about FCV but most of it appears to be from parents who are just petty. Can someone please provide insights or share experiences about FCV. It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level. I also hear from parents that say they would never take their girls there without explaing why, almost like they signed a NDA to refrain from making negative comments.

How does it seem like an amazing club...and why are the parents petty. You sound stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of the two clubs, Loudoun and FCV, I get the sense that FCV is more serious as it relates to girls soccer but I also get the since that the FCV culture is a bit more aggressive. I have read a few past posts about FCV but most of it appears to be from parents who are just petty. Can someone please provide insights or share experiences about FCV. It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level. I also hear from parents that say they would never take their girls there without explaing why, almost like they signed a NDA to refrain from making negative comments.

How does it seem like an amazing club...and why are the parents petty. You sound stupid.

They cheat. They break rules. They don’t set good examples for kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

FCV Staff member adding his five cents

What do they do with the younger kids to help them be great?

It sounds like it’s a revolving door. No player investment.

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Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

FCV Staff member adding his five cents

What do they do with the younger kids to help them be great?

It sounds like it’s a revolving door. No player investment.

So....please do tell us all of a club that has both player investment and consistent top teams?? Can’t think of one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There needs to be a pathway to the pros through USL and NASL, rather than going to college to play soccer. Set up pro/rep and tie it to MLS. And ultimately yes, the cream of the crop need to go abroad, NOT just to Europe, but to Mexico and South America.

Add PDL to the other leagues above. Also we need to educate people because I’ve seen too many posts where people have said that the older age groups are said and done and will not develop further. That is just wild and asinine.

+1. I’m not even sure what’s feeding such an ill thought out notion.

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Anonymous wrote:I thin every soccer club trying to play in high level leagues is like this. The customers demand it. I dont think any paying parent on a high level team would want the club to pass over a player of greater talent then an existing player. If the club did that, their top talent would leave to go to a club that puts the top talent on the roster. This level is for the best. Players come in that are better then your player. Happens to every single player except for the ones at the very top.

FCV Staff member adding his five cents

What do they do with the younger kids to help them be great?

It sounds like it’s a revolving door. No player investment.

So....please do tell us all of a club that has both player investment and consistent top teams?? Can’t think of one.

Then it's all a lie