DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

The question you should be asking is, "if she had developed her player as she claimed she could then the new player would not be "better" in the first place.

Development is not just up to the coaches...the player and the family need to buy in as well. I have a hard time understanding how some parents don't see that their child needs to commit to being an elite player too and sometimes, that isn't enough...maybe the talent just isn't there.

In those cases where the commitment doesn't match the talent the club may have simply dropped the ball on inspiring a kid to work hard away from practice.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

The question you should be asking is, "if she had developed her player as she claimed she could then the new player would not be "better" in the first place.

Development is not just up to the coaches...the player and the family need to buy in as well. I have a hard time understanding how some parents don't see that their child needs to commit to being an elite player too and sometimes, that isn't enough...maybe the talent just isn't there.

In those cases where the commitment doesn't match the talent the club may have simply dropped the ball on inspiring a kid to work hard away from practice.

So the player never carries any responsibility? Wow, you must be a joy to have on a team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

The question you should be asking is, "if she had developed her player as she claimed she could then the new player would not be "better" in the first place.

Development is not just up to the coaches...the player and the family need to buy in as well. I have a hard time understanding how some parents don't see that their child needs to commit to being an elite player too and sometimes, that isn't enough...maybe the talent just isn't there.

In those cases where the commitment doesn't match the talent the club may have simply dropped the ball on inspiring a kid to work hard away from practice.

So the player never carries any responsibility? Wow, you must be a joy to have on a team.

Not saying the player doesn't carry the responsibility, but if the coach sees the potential there and they are not trying to encourage outside work or drills then they didn't do what they could either.

If the coach did all of that and the player didn't bother, well then yes, they own 100% of it.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

[Anonymous]

Then don’t talk about development if only talent matters.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

I think the same could be said for many clubs that recruit. And, no, I am not drinking any club's kool aid, including FCV. You are FCV bitter my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

I think the same could be said for many clubs that recruit. And, no, I am not drinking any club's kool aid, including FCV. You are FCV bitter my friend.

How am I bitter? I've said FCV has great DA teams. I'm simply saying that in order to play DA there you do not need play your younger years there. That, just as you did, you can come in from the outside and easily make the team if you have developed well.

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Anonymous wrote:OK fair - how does this top coach selecting their players? Does she keep a player she is developing out of loyalty on the team and cut a new and better player that would like to join the team? i

If you are keeping lesser players for the sake of "loyalty" then you aren't running an elite program and your mentality is not elite. For roughly equal players, the tie should go to the player that has been there.

Are you suggesting that if you make the top team at U9, you should get to stay there for life?

No, but if you developed the players then a majority of kids on your eventual DA roster should have been a part of the U9-U10-U11 player pool.

Adding 55% or more outside kids at U13-U14 is not a club that developed their players.

That is assuming that the most talented kids were in your U9 - U11 pool to begin with. That is absurd to assume. At the youngest ages, most families are staying closer to home geographically. And that is just one factor.

Wait, wait, you're moving the goal posts on this. We are talking about development. What you are talking about is talent collecting. Yes, the measure of a club that DEVELOPS should have no problem getting 10 players from a pool of 20-22 kids on their own DA team after spending 2-4 years with those kids. You disagree?

We are talking about developing talent. If the young player has little talent there to develop, what would you like this superstar coaoh to do?

Exactly. Everyone's child is not equally talented no matter how many parents want to think that.

Exactly and FCV is only good at selected mature developed players no matter how many parents claim the club develops them.

At each age, they try to select that best from those interested. Clubs form teams from the players that show up.

You’re proving my point.

Your point seems to be that your daughter has been at FCV for a while and didn't get invited back and now you're using that situation to make global statements about youth soccer.

No, I'm making focused statements about FCV.

The following statement was made:
"[FCV] It seems like an amazing club that focuses on training/development and does a great job of prepareing serious players for the next level."

In truth, FCV fills over half of their eventual rosters by U14 from kids outside the club, many of whom spent less than a year at the club before U14.

Now, is that developing or recruiting?

IF FCV developed players their numbers would be the inverse.

You sound like a new parent who believes their daughter just got her dance card punched. Well, I have news for you, new kids don't always get retained either.

So, for the OP who was asking. If you wish to eventually play DA at FCV then there is zero need to spend your pre DA years at the club if your kid is being developed properly. There is a good chance your daughter will take the spot of the PP's kid when the time comes anyway.

I think the same could be said for many clubs that recruit. And, no, I am not drinking any club's kool aid, including FCV. You are FCV bitter my friend.

How am I bitter? I've said FCV has great DA teams. I'm simply saying that in order to play DA there you do not need play your younger years there. That, just as you did, you can come in from the outside and easily make the team if you have developed well.

May I add, don’t play at FC Virginia and then leave. They will not welcome you back. They will not want your DD. Once they are done with a player, they truly are done.