War with Iran Part II

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Iran is a state. It is not a terrorist group by definition. You people are f’ing crazy.

Iran is a terrorist state, very much so.

Well, Iran is in good terrorist state company with the USA. Both countries blow unarmed, defenseless boats out of the water with their missiles.

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Anonymous wrote:Any public appearances by the two pilots we rescued?

Heard any names?

Good question.

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Iran is a state. It is not a terrorist group by definition. You people are f’ing crazy.

Iran is a terrorist state, very much so.

Nope. Israel is the terrorist state.

They both are. That much is obvious to the majority of peoples in the world, who don't have any bias in this fight.

Yeo, which is why I would like my tax dollars to go to neither of them.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have lost the war, and have to negotiate terms of surrender? Is this really happening?

Yes it happened a month ago.

Why can’t we just “walk away”?

Iran wants reparations.

I get that, but would the US have to pay if we just leave and drop it? They could close the Strait but they can do that even if we do pay.

Yes. We have to pay. We attacked them unprovoked, committed heinous war crimes, and now we must pay.

I agree with the part in bold, but don’t quite see why the US would pay have to pay reparations if we just left. Ethically, we probably should, but that’s not my question.

Because Iran then would close the SOH leading to pandemonium. That economic and political pain would be much worse than working out an agreement. Leading up to the MOU Trump was desperate for a deal and was too weak to push back to Iran's demands that included reparations.

What would guarantee that they wouldn’t just close it again? “We want another $100b, Strait is closed”.

You are correct that Iran could threaten again. In that scenario, other countries with better ties to Iran (China, Russia?) could tell them to cool it.

The JCPOA had other countries on board (including China and Russia) to collectively restrain Iran.

I got that.
I still don’t see what we gain by giving them $300b+.

Why should we gain anything? This war was unjustified. We're the ones who blew up a girls' school.

I don’t think we should gain anything. We lost and it was stupid on Trump’s part to even pull us out of Obama’s deal let alone attack Iran, but I also don’t see why we would pay $300b if we just left.

You have to negotiate to leave.
US have military bases and business interests all around the Middle East.
You can’t just blow up things and experiment with your new weapon system for few months and say I am done and am going home.

No, we don't. Just order the naval ships home.

Many of the bases have already been destroyed.

Bahrain was in the US last week discussing the rebuild. The US is considering moving some of the buildings and equipment underground. Also there was a report released last week to relocate some of the bases and missions to ME countries that Iran cannot reach, such as Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have lost the war, and have to negotiate terms of surrender? Is this really happening?

Yes it happened a month ago.

Why can’t we just “walk away”?

Iran wants reparations.

I get that, but would the US have to pay if we just leave and drop it? They could close the Strait but they can do that even if we do pay.

Yes. We have to pay. We attacked them unprovoked, committed heinous war crimes, and now we must pay.

I agree with the part in bold, but don’t quite see why the US would pay have to pay reparations if we just left. Ethically, we probably should, but that’s not my question.

Because Iran then would close the SOH leading to pandemonium. That economic and political pain would be much worse than working out an agreement. Leading up to the MOU Trump was desperate for a deal and was too weak to push back to Iran's demands that included reparations.

What would guarantee that they wouldn’t just close it again? “We want another $100b, Strait is closed”.

You are correct that Iran could threaten again. In that scenario, other countries with better ties to Iran (China, Russia?) could tell them to cool it.

The JCPOA had other countries on board (including China and Russia) to collectively restrain Iran.

I got that.
I still don’t see what we gain by giving them $300b+.

Why should we gain anything? This war was unjustified. We're the ones who blew up a girls' school.

I don’t think we should gain anything. We lost and it was stupid on Trump’s part to even pull us out of Obama’s deal let alone attack Iran, but I also don’t see why we would pay $300b if we just left.

You have to negotiate to leave.
US have military bases and business interests all around the Middle East.
You can’t just blow up things and experiment with your new weapon system for few months and say I am done and am going home.

No, we don't. Just order the naval ships home.

Many of the bases have already been destroyed.

What about US high tech companies regional headquarter and business interests in the UAE and Saudi Arabia?
Those are military targets now.

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Let me explain. The U.S. is a superpower. As such, the U.S. secures its political, economic, and military supremacy worldwide by any means. It can cloud actions in democracy, but if you believe that, I can't help you. You need to go to school and learn more.

In addition, without the U.S. presence in Qatar, Qatar would not exist; Saudi Arabia sees it as its own territory. The UAE and Iran might be in open conflict over disputed islands.
Saudi Arabia fights with Qatar for media and political influence. The UAE has an economic rivalry, etc.
Qatar backs Islamist groups as it is tiny and needs to be seen as a powerful player to keep existing as a country.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE see the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups as a major source of instability in the region and are fully against Qatar's actions. They are angry at Qatar.

While the U.S. actions right now have destabilized the markets, this is nothing compared to what would happen if the U.S. withdrew completely from GCC countries.

Iran becomes a major regional power.
What the U.S. really controls is:
maritime security
deterrence against disruptions
crisis response capacity
That influence is enormous.

Certainly, right now, we have done damage for nothing. Apart from preventing some oil access to China for a while, which is huge in geopolitical games.

I am not disagreeing that the U.S. actions have caused mayhem, bcs right now our government is incompetent, and you can't fire all your five-star generals and not think things through before you act.

Leaving GCC completely would be insane for the U.S. as a superpower. I, personally, prefer to be a citizen of a superpower, rather than of some small country that has no influence anywhere.
Only a fool would say, "leave GCC." Or a foreign actor. Iran has them everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain. The U.S. is a superpower. As such, the U.S. secures its political, economic, and military supremacy worldwide by any means. It can cloud actions in democracy, but if you believe that, I can't help you. You need to go to school and learn more.

In addition, without the U.S. presence in Qatar, Qatar would not exist; Saudi Arabia sees it as its own territory. The UAE and Iran might be in open conflict over disputed islands.
Saudi Arabia fights with Qatar for media and political influence. The UAE has an economic rivalry, etc.
Qatar backs Islamist groups as it is tiny and needs to be seen as a powerful player to keep existing as a country.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE see the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups as a major source of instability in the region and are fully against Qatar's actions. They are angry at Qatar.

While the U.S. actions right now have destabilized the markets, this is nothing compared to what would happen if the U.S. withdrew completely from GCC countries.

Iran becomes a major regional power.
What the U.S. really controls is:
maritime security
deterrence against disruptions
crisis response capacity
That influence is enormous.

Certainly, right now, we have done damage for nothing. Apart from preventing some oil access to China for a while, which is huge in geopolitical games.

I am not disagreeing that the U.S. actions have caused mayhem, bcs right now our government is incompetent, and you can't fire all your five-star generals and not think things through before you act.

Leaving GCC completely would be insane for the U.S. as a superpower. I, personally, prefer to be a citizen of a superpower, rather than of some small country that has no influence anywhere.
Only a fool would say, "leave GCC." Or a foreign actor. Iran has them everywhere.

The US was a super power but nothing lasts forever.
The tariff war with China and the war in Iran shows the US is a regional power.
Here I come Cuba.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have lost the war, and have to negotiate terms of surrender? Is this really happening?

Yes it happened a month ago.

Why can’t we just “walk away”?

Iran wants reparations.

I get that, but would the US have to pay if we just leave and drop it? They could close the Strait but they can do that even if we do pay.

Yes. We have to pay. We attacked them unprovoked, committed heinous war crimes, and now we must pay.

I agree with the part in bold, but don’t quite see why the US would pay have to pay reparations if we just left. Ethically, we probably should, but that’s not my question.

Because Iran then would close the SOH leading to pandemonium. That economic and political pain would be much worse than working out an agreement. Leading up to the MOU Trump was desperate for a deal and was too weak to push back to Iran's demands that included reparations.

What would guarantee that they wouldn’t just close it again? “We want another $100b, Strait is closed”.

You are correct that Iran could threaten again. In that scenario, other countries with better ties to Iran (China, Russia?) could tell them to cool it.

The JCPOA had other countries on board (including China and Russia) to collectively restrain Iran.

I got that.
I still don’t see what we gain by giving them $300b+.

Why should we gain anything? This war was unjustified. We're the ones who blew up a girls' school.

I don’t think we should gain anything. We lost and it was stupid on Trump’s part to even pull us out of Obama’s deal let alone attack Iran, but I also don’t see why we would pay $300b if we just left.

You have to negotiate to leave.
US have military bases and business interests all around the Middle East.
You can’t just blow up things and experiment with your new weapon system for few months and say I am done and am going home.

No, we don't. Just order the naval ships home.

Many of the bases have already been destroyed.

Bahrain was in the US last week discussing the rebuild. The US is considering moving some of the buildings and equipment underground. Also there was a report released last week to relocate some of the bases and missions to ME countries that Iran cannot reach, such as Israel.

Oh Israel can be reached by Iranian drones/missiles and Israel does not allow US basing on its soil.

Now let’s look at what you posted. The US will abandon the Gulf States for Israel. Wonder how that will sit with Bahrain. Bet they will be happy that the US is leaving them high and dry well sparing no cost for Israel. What would you do if you were Bahrain or another Gulf state?

You would cut your ties with the US and Israel. China is already in the gulf making dealings.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain. The U.S. is a superpower. As such, the U.S. secures its political, economic, and military supremacy worldwide by any means. It can cloud actions in democracy, but if you believe that, I can't help you. You need to go to school and learn more.

In addition, without the U.S. presence in Qatar, Qatar would not exist; Saudi Arabia sees it as its own territory. The UAE and Iran might be in open conflict over disputed islands.
Saudi Arabia fights with Qatar for media and political influence. The UAE has an economic rivalry, etc.
Qatar backs Islamist groups as it is tiny and needs to be seen as a powerful player to keep existing as a country.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE see the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups as a major source of instability in the region and are fully against Qatar's actions. They are angry at Qatar.

While the U.S. actions right now have destabilized the markets, this is nothing compared to what would happen if the U.S. withdrew completely from GCC countries.

Iran becomes a major regional power.
What the U.S. really controls is:
maritime security
deterrence against disruptions
crisis response capacity
That influence is enormous.

Certainly, right now, we have done damage for nothing. Apart from preventing some oil access to China for a while, which is huge in geopolitical games.

I am not disagreeing that the U.S. actions have caused mayhem, bcs right now our government is incompetent, and you can't fire all your five-star generals and not think things through before you act.

Leaving GCC completely would be insane for the U.S. as a superpower. I, personally, prefer to be a citizen of a superpower, rather than of some small country that has no influence anywhere.
Only a fool would say, "leave GCC." Or a foreign actor. Iran has them everywhere.

The US is only in the region to protect Israel. When the US leaves the region will be more stable because the US will no longer be imposing idiotic things like the Abraham accords and its constant attacks/oppression of Iran. The US has suppressed Iran for 50 years while propping up Israel and the gulf kingdoms. That is all over now.

The truth is the US has restricted the free market flow of oil in the region for years while wasting billions on defense spending. The US leaving will be great for the region and oil production.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain. The U.S. is a superpower. As such, the U.S. secures its political, economic, and military supremacy worldwide by any means. It can cloud actions in democracy, but if you believe that, I can't help you. You need to go to school and learn more.

In addition, without the U.S. presence in Qatar, Qatar would not exist; Saudi Arabia sees it as its own territory. The UAE and Iran might be in open conflict over disputed islands.
Saudi Arabia fights with Qatar for media and political influence. The UAE has an economic rivalry, etc.
Qatar backs Islamist groups as it is tiny and needs to be seen as a powerful player to keep existing as a country.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE see the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups as a major source of instability in the region and are fully against Qatar's actions. They are angry at Qatar.

While the U.S. actions right now have destabilized the markets, this is nothing compared to what would happen if the U.S. withdrew completely from GCC countries.

Iran becomes a major regional power.
What the U.S. really controls is:
maritime security
deterrence against disruptions
crisis response capacity
That influence is enormous.

Certainly, right now, we have done damage for nothing. Apart from preventing some oil access to China for a while, which is huge in geopolitical games.

I am not disagreeing that the U.S. actions have caused mayhem, bcs right now our government is incompetent, and you can't fire all your five-star generals and not think things through before you act.

Leaving GCC completely would be insane for the U.S. as a superpower. I, personally, prefer to be a citizen of a superpower, rather than of some small country that has no influence anywhere.
Only a fool would say, "leave GCC." Or a foreign actor. Iran has them everywhere.

The US is only in the region to protect Israel. When the US leaves the region will be more stable because the US will no longer be imposing idiotic things like the Abraham accords and its constant attacks/oppression of Iran. The US has suppressed Iran for 50 years while propping up Israel and the gulf kingdoms. That is all over now.

The truth is the US has restricted the free market flow of oil in the region for years while wasting billions on defense spending. The US leaving will be great for the region and oil production.

Are you an Iranian puppet?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain. The U.S. is a superpower. As such, the U.S. secures its political, economic, and military supremacy worldwide by any means. It can cloud actions in democracy, but if you believe that, I can't help you. You need to go to school and learn more.

In addition, without the U.S. presence in Qatar, Qatar would not exist; Saudi Arabia sees it as its own territory. The UAE and Iran might be in open conflict over disputed islands.
Saudi Arabia fights with Qatar for media and political influence. The UAE has an economic rivalry, etc.
Qatar backs Islamist groups as it is tiny and needs to be seen as a powerful player to keep existing as a country.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE see the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups as a major source of instability in the region and are fully against Qatar's actions. They are angry at Qatar.

While the U.S. actions right now have destabilized the markets, this is nothing compared to what would happen if the U.S. withdrew completely from GCC countries.

Iran becomes a major regional power.
What the U.S. really controls is:
maritime security
deterrence against disruptions
crisis response capacity
That influence is enormous.

Certainly, right now, we have done damage for nothing. Apart from preventing some oil access to China for a while, which is huge in geopolitical games.

I am not disagreeing that the U.S. actions have caused mayhem, bcs right now our government is incompetent, and you can't fire all your five-star generals and not think things through before you act.

Leaving GCC completely would be insane for the U.S. as a superpower. I, personally, prefer to be a citizen of a superpower, rather than of some small country that has no influence anywhere.
Only a fool would say, "leave GCC." Or a foreign actor. Iran has them everywhere.

The US was a superpower, but isn't any longer.
iran is now the king of the Middle East, thanks to Trump.
Russia benefits from this.

All of the gulf states that threw in with Trump are the losers now.

ETTD.

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Really loving this “peace deal” where Trump gives Iran billions in sanctions relief, but doesn’t reign in Israel so the war continues. What a deal maker!

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Anonymous wrote:So we have lost the war, and have to negotiate terms of surrender? Is this really happening?

Yes it happened a month ago.

Why can’t we just “walk away”?

Iran wants reparations.

I get that, but would the US have to pay if we just leave and drop it? They could close the Strait but they can do that even if we do pay.

Yes. We have to pay. We attacked them unprovoked, committed heinous war crimes, and now we must pay.

I agree with the part in bold, but don’t quite see why the US would pay have to pay reparations if we just left. Ethically, we probably should, but that’s not my question.

Because Iran then would close the SOH leading to pandemonium. That economic and political pain would be much worse than working out an agreement. Leading up to the MOU Trump was desperate for a deal and was too weak to push back to Iran's demands that included reparations.

What would guarantee that they wouldn’t just close it again? “We want another $100b, Strait is closed”.

You are correct that Iran could threaten again. In that scenario, other countries with better ties to Iran (China, Russia?) could tell them to cool it.

The JCPOA had other countries on board (including China and Russia) to collectively restrain Iran.

I got that.
I still don’t see what we gain by giving them $300b+.

Why should we gain anything? This war was unjustified. We're the ones who blew up a girls' school.

I don’t think we should gain anything. We lost and it was stupid on Trump’s part to even pull us out of Obama’s deal let alone attack Iran, but I also don’t see why we would pay $300b if we just left.

You have to negotiate to leave.
US have military bases and business interests all around the Middle East.
You can’t just blow up things and experiment with your new weapon system for few months and say I am done and am going home.

No, we don't. Just order the naval ships home.

Many of the bases have already been destroyed.

Bahrain was in the US last week discussing the rebuild. The US is considering moving some of the buildings and equipment underground. Also there was a report released last week to relocate some of the bases and missions to ME countries that Iran cannot reach, such as Israel.

Oh Israel can be reached by Iranian drones/missiles and Israel does not allow US basing on its soil.

Now let’s look at what you posted. The US will abandon the Gulf States for Israel. Wonder how that will sit with Bahrain. Bet they will be happy that the US is leaving them high and dry well sparing no cost for Israel. What would you do if you were Bahrain or another Gulf state?

You would cut your ties with the US and Israel. China is already in the gulf making dealings.

The bolded is not a true statement. Negev Desert Air Defense Base is an official, permanent U.S. military base located within the Israeli Air Force's Mashabim Air Base. It is primarily operated by the U.S. Air Force and has hosted an AN/TPY-2 early-warning missile radar station since 2017. The US Embassies in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv also have a permanent contingency of US Marines.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have lost the war, and have to negotiate terms of surrender? Is this really happening?

Yes it happened a month ago.

Why can’t we just “walk away”?

Iran wants reparations.

I get that, but would the US have to pay if we just leave and drop it? They could close the Strait but they can do that even if we do pay.

Yes. We have to pay. We attacked them unprovoked, committed heinous war crimes, and now we must pay.

I agree with the part in bold, but don’t quite see why the US would pay have to pay reparations if we just left. Ethically, we probably should, but that’s not my question.

Because Iran then would close the SOH leading to pandemonium. That economic and political pain would be much worse than working out an agreement. Leading up to the MOU Trump was desperate for a deal and was too weak to push back to Iran's demands that included reparations.

What would guarantee that they wouldn’t just close it again? “We want another $100b, Strait is closed”.

You are correct that Iran could threaten again. In that scenario, other countries with better ties to Iran (China, Russia?) could tell them to cool it.

The JCPOA had other countries on board (including China and Russia) to collectively restrain Iran.

I got that.
I still don’t see what we gain by giving them $300b+.

Why should we gain anything? This war was unjustified. We're the ones who blew up a girls' school.

I don’t think we should gain anything. We lost and it was stupid on Trump’s part to even pull us out of Obama’s deal let alone attack Iran, but I also don’t see why we would pay $300b if we just left.

You have to negotiate to leave.
US have military bases and business interests all around the Middle East.
You can’t just blow up things and experiment with your new weapon system for few months and say I am done and am going home.

No, we don't. Just order the naval ships home.

Many of the bases have already been destroyed.

Bahrain was in the US last week discussing the rebuild. The US is considering moving some of the buildings and equipment underground. Also there was a report released last week to relocate some of the bases and missions to ME countries that Iran cannot reach, such as Israel.

Oh Israel can be reached by Iranian drones/missiles and Israel does not allow US basing on its soil.

Now let’s look at what you posted. The US will abandon the Gulf States for Israel. Wonder how that will sit with Bahrain. Bet they will be happy that the US is leaving them high and dry well sparing no cost for Israel. What would you do if you were Bahrain or another Gulf state?

You would cut your ties with the US and Israel. China is already in the gulf making dealings.

WTAF are you spewing now? Please go back and read what I wrote and stop with the gotcha nonsense. I specifically stated that Bahrain was in the US to discuss the rebuilding of the bases in Bahrain and that the US was considering moving some of the buildings and equipment destroyed to the underground.