UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:I’m seeing a lot of idolizing of the shooter as well among Gen Z and Gen Alpha, especially online. I don’t see how this is measurably different than the kids in the 1990s who adored Che Guavara (who executed far more innocents than Mangione did) and made him into a cultural hero.

Of course the reality is repellent, but there has always been a subset of young political idiots who ignore the real-life brutality and crime in favor of creating a myth. It’s shocking to many of us but it is not uncommon.

I saw this comparison online also, apparently Che also grew up rich.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?

Why do you think they did not do so? We do not know everything. We do know his mom had reported him missing a while back.

Because the NYPD said they did not know the name of the suspect before Altoona police apprehended him, all they were going on was the photos. It wasn’t until he was arrested did they get his name. IF any of his relatives had called the tip lines, wouldn’t the police already have had his name? So no, none of his parents or siblings or 30 cousins called.

But we don’t know how many people called to say, “ that might be my[son, cousin, coworker, ex-husband, former classmate].“ They could not jump from a tip to deciding that is the shooter’s name.

The probably got tips from all over but they sure showed up quickly at that McDonald’s. How did they know that was legit?

A sighting (when he was sought) is different than someone saying, I think I know who that guy is (vs where he is). Plus they might have known the bus to Atlanta stopped there.

It’s funny how the spotters in McDonald’s thought he strongly resembled the shooter and his masked appearance but we can’t expect the family to recognize their own.

I think it’s because of the mask and head covered that they recognized him. It’s not so much that they recognized him as the vignette they saw on tv with the ski jacket and mask. That’s why if he had not had on the hat and the mask he probably would have just blended in. I certainly wouldn’t have recognized him without a mask on and I had seen the news reports.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?

Why do you think they did not do so? We do not know everything. We do know his mom had reported him missing a while back.

Because the NYPD said they did not know the name of the suspect before Altoona police apprehended him, all they were going on was the photos. It wasn’t until he was arrested did they get his name. IF any of his relatives had called the tip lines, wouldn’t the police already have had his name? So no, none of his parents or siblings or 30 cousins called.

There are thousands of people who march the images. The police probably got dozens of names. That's "not knowing his name".

Well, they did know his fake name, which happens to be the ID he came them. So dumb

He had four fake IDs? So, he was planning to take out more people? That's the only reason I can see that he would keep the murder weapon and all of the IDs. If he'd gotten rid of the evidence, kept his mask on in NYC, taken the mask and hood OFF outside of NYC, he would have gotten away with it probably.

You sound like the law enforcement bobbleheads on cable news speculating that he had other targets - despite literally no evidence to support that speculation - as a way to bolster the “no bail” argument. An unnecessary act given the fact that no judge is going to release this kid on pretrial anyway …

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You sound like the law enforcement bobbleheads on cable news speculating that he had other targets - despite literally no evidence to support that speculation - as a way to bolster the “no bail” argument. An unnecessary act given the fact that no judge is going to release this kid on pretrial anyway …

From his manifesto (the real one):

Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming

Use of plural suggests he had plans which included additional targets

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?

Why do you think they did not do so? We do not know everything. We do know his mom had reported him missing a while back.

Because the NYPD said they did not know the name of the suspect before Altoona police apprehended him, all they were going on was the photos. It wasn’t until he was arrested did they get his name. IF any of his relatives had called the tip lines, wouldn’t the police already have had his name? So no, none of his parents or siblings or 30 cousins called.

There are thousands of people who march the images. The police probably got dozens of names. That's "not knowing his name".

Well, they did know his fake name, which happens to be the ID he came them. So dumb

He had four fake IDs? So, he was planning to take out more people? That's the only reason I can see that he would keep the murder weapon and all of the IDs. If he'd gotten rid of the evidence, kept his mask on in NYC, taken the mask and hood OFF outside of NYC, he would have gotten away with it probably.

You sound like the law enforcement bobbleheads on cable news speculating that he had other targets - despite literally no evidence to support that speculation - as a way to bolster the “no bail” argument. An unnecessary act given the fact that no judge is going to release this kid on pretrial anyway …

From his manifesto (the real one):

Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming

Use of plural suggests he had plans which included additional targets

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?

Why do you think they did not do so? We do not know everything. We do know his mom had reported him missing a while back.

Because the NYPD said they did not know the name of the suspect before Altoona police apprehended him, all they were going on was the photos. It wasn’t until he was arrested did they get his name. IF any of his relatives had called the tip lines, wouldn’t the police already have had his name? So no, none of his parents or siblings or 30 cousins called.

There are thousands of people who march the images. The police probably got dozens of names. That's "not knowing his name".

Well, they did know his fake name, which happens to be the ID he came them. So dumb

He had four fake IDs? So, he was planning to take out more people? That's the only reason I can see that he would keep the murder weapon and all of the IDs. If he'd gotten rid of the evidence, kept his mask on in NYC, taken the mask and hood OFF outside of NYC, he would have gotten away with it probably.

You sound like the law enforcement bobbleheads on cable news speculating that he had other targets - despite literally no evidence to support that speculation - as a way to bolster the “no bail” argument. An unnecessary act given the fact that no judge is going to release this kid on pretrial anyway …

Kid?

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

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There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

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A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

Airway?

It's through the IV bag already set up. gawd .

It's amazing how arrogant someone can be despite total ignorance.

Yes, the anesthesia drugs enter through the IV. But one of the primary tasks of an anesthesiologist or CRNA is to monitor the patient's airway while they are under. That is, to make sure they're still breathing. JFC.

so 1:1 a paid nurse stands there watching you breathe for your entire baby delivery, or colonosopy, or wisdom tooth extraction, or open chest surgery?

Or the screen starts beeping?

What’s amazing is that those 4 procedures you randomly typed out actually utilize 3 (or 4) different types of anesthesia.

And yes, exactly. The anesthesiologist stands there and stares at you, watching you breathe, or else a screen beeps. You have summarized anesthesiology. Might as well just not use one for your next surgery. Just let the “nurse” put the “medicine in the bag” and tell the surgeon you’re good to go.

Unless you think you don’t need the surgeon either? I mean how hard can it be, just cut you open, remove the gallbladder, and sew you up. Done.

You are being unhelpfully loose.

For a vaginal baby delivery, the anesthesiologist comes in, sets up the epidural, fives the control to the patient, and leaves. He doesn't stand their for 2 to 30 hrs.

For dental surgery with laughing gas, there is no anesthesiologist.

For unconscious anesthesia there is more supervision.

I certainly didn't have an anesthesiologist when I was sedated for wisdom teeth extraction.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

Me too. (My brother who has refused treatment.)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

His descriptions of “brain fog” starting in college could be consistent with symptoms in the prodrome of schizophrenia as could the social and occupational withdrawal. To me he seems ill for sure but certainly not a slam dunk for schizophrenia based on what we’ve seen of his writing and behavior.

Interestingly, the unabomber was diagnosed w schizophrenia as that was thought to be the best fit but it definitely wasn’t a typical presentation. Just interesting to have two extremely bright people with similar (but very atypical) presentations if it does turn out to be schizophrenia.

Is a high level of intelligence consistent with schizophrenia?

No. No correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

His descriptions of “brain fog” starting in college could be consistent with symptoms in the prodrome of schizophrenia as could the social and occupational withdrawal. To me he seems ill for sure but certainly not a slam dunk for schizophrenia based on what we’ve seen of his writing and behavior.

Interestingly, the unabomber was diagnosed w schizophrenia as that was thought to be the best fit but it definitely wasn’t a typical presentation. Just interesting to have two extremely bright people with similar (but very atypical) presentations if it does turn out to be schizophrenia.

Is a high level of intelligence consistent with schizophrenia?

no

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Anonymous wrote:I’m seeing a lot of idolizing of the shooter as well among Gen Z and Gen Alpha, especially online. I don’t see how this is measurably different than the kids in the 1990s who adored Che Guavara (who executed far more innocents than Mangione did) and made him into a cultural hero.

Of course the reality is repellent, but there has always been a subset of young political idiots who ignore the real-life brutality and crime in favor of creating a myth. It’s shocking to many of us but it is not uncommon.

FWIW I don't think they are idiots, nor are they particularly political.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

His descriptions of “brain fog” starting in college could be consistent with symptoms in the prodrome of schizophrenia as could the social and occupational withdrawal. To me he seems ill for sure but certainly not a slam dunk for schizophrenia based on what we’ve seen of his writing and behavior.

Interestingly, the unabomber was diagnosed w schizophrenia as that was thought to be the best fit but it definitely wasn’t a typical presentation. Just interesting to have two extremely bright people with similar (but very atypical) presentations if it does turn out to be schizophrenia.

Is a high level of intelligence consistent with schizophrenia?

no

It certainly can be. Think about A Beautiful Mind, which is based on a true story.

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The cop who ID'd and arrested him at the Altoona McDonald's was named...wait for it...Officer Frye. This is a movie for sure.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rookie-cop-describes-harrowing-moment-he-arrested-luigi-mangione/

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a psychologist but I have a close family member with schizophrenia. His behavior seems schizophrenic to me.

Agree with above. I also had a family member (Swarthmore and Univ of Chicago grad) who was schizophrenic. The behavior is very similar.

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The young ones are also taking no crap from Josh Shapiro about this. They are very upset with him and also treating this situation as "unserious" as they say. It is interesting how the 'support' for Mangione doesn't seem based in political ideology, but rather social/power strata differences.

https://www.tiktok.com/@spacepinata/video/7446908246150974763?lang=en

https://www.tiktok.com/@dulcedeletii/video/7446569595961412906