Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

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+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

+1

+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Understand the roots of the problem.

Asians compete with other Asians because many think that there are invisible quotas for them in college admissions and beyond.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-affirmative-action-and-asian-americans

Top schools like Harvard and Yale are in legal battles around this. Asians have to score 140 more points on the SATs than Whites to get in. You have to be better than the "other" Asian. Wouldn't this incentivize you to work hard? Similar thing happened to Jews. Probably to other races and religions (Catholics) in U.S. history that were up and coming. Jews, nowadays, make up only 2% of U.S. population, but is overrepresented in many faucets of life - from mass media, academia (look at the directory of professors at top Unis), and politics.

Jews are considered smart and intelligent.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028960600033X

Asians are considered cheaters and preppers.

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Anonymous wrote:Really, could someone provide an average study guide for an average Chinese student? No one seems to want to provide that information.

They go to Chinese school to learn Chinese on the weekend. May have a couple of extracurricular activities. May do some extra work, either with parents, in groups, or go to learning centers. If English is bad, may also have someone help there too.

Could my nonAsian kid sign up for Chinese school?

Yes.

Yes, I know of a Chinese school that has a track for non Chinese speaking parents. The kid and the parents attend at the same time.

That way, the parents can more readily help with the homework and practice. Once the kid advances to a certain level they can continue on their own.

Most Chinese schools have easy introductory course for kids with no Chinese backgrounds.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

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+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Why does it need to be independent to be considered "working hard"? Don't athletes have coaches, facilities, etc.. to help them prep?

Have you ever gone to a prep class? What do you think they do there? Do you think they have some secret access to the actual test? No, they don't. They use the materials that are out there. You could do the same. It's just paying someone else to go over the prep books vs you doing it. Personally, I don't want to do it, and if I wanted my kids to prep, I'd pay someone else to do it. I have bought my kids a cogat book from Amazon. Most people have the means to also buy a cogat book from amazon. I just let them take the practice test and provided no further guidance because it wasn't that important to me. But, I get it's important to other parents, so they send their kids to prep classes. More power to them.

One of my kids made it to magnet; the other didn't. Such is life, and I don't blame other kids for working harder. I told this DC, if you really want something, you have to work hard for it. That's the way life works, yes, even for kids. It's a life long lesson. Maybe stop blaming others for working harder than you, whether that's spending hours in a prep class or outside on a track field, and tell your kids that this is the way life works -- if you want something that badly you have to be willing to put in the effort, and someone else will always be willing to put in more effort than you.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

+1

+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Why does it need to be independent to be considered "working hard"? Don't athletes have coaches, facilities, etc.. to help them prep?

Have you ever gone to a prep class? What do you think they do there? Do you think they have some secret access to the actual test? No, they don't. They use the materials that are out there. You could do the same. It's just paying someone else to go over the prep books vs you doing it. Personally, I don't want to do it, and if I wanted my kids to prep, I'd pay someone else to do it. I have bought my kids a cogat book from Amazon. Most people have the means to also buy a cogat book from amazon. I just let them take the practice test and provided no further guidance because it wasn't that important to me. But, I get it's important to other parents, so they send their kids to prep classes. More power to them.

One of my kids made it to magnet; the other didn't. Such is life, and I don't blame other kids for working harder. I told this DC, if you really want something, you have to work hard for it. That's the way life works, yes, even for kids. It's a life long lesson. Maybe stop blaming others for working harder than you, whether that's spending hours in a prep class or outside on a track field, and tell your kids that this is the way life works -- if you want something that badly you have to be willing to put in the effort, and someone else will always be willing to put in more effort than you.

One prep company did. And they got 28% of the Class of 2024 and 70% of the group from Loudoun County because of it.

And they're indirectly responsible, because I promise you that this issue is part of why the exam was eliminated and the lottery instituted, for thousands of Indian families having limited access to TJ over the next several years. I am furious with them for what they did.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

+1

+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Why does it need to be independent to be considered "working hard"? Don't athletes have coaches, facilities, etc.. to help them prep?

Have you ever gone to a prep class? What do you think they do there? Do you think they have some secret access to the actual test? No, they don't. They use the materials that are out there. You could do the same. It's just paying someone else to go over the prep books vs you doing it. Personally, I don't want to do it, and if I wanted my kids to prep, I'd pay someone else to do it. I have bought my kids a cogat book from Amazon. Most people have the means to also buy a cogat book from amazon. I just let them take the practice test and provided no further guidance because it wasn't that important to me. But, I get it's important to other parents, so they send their kids to prep classes. More power to them.

One of my kids made it to magnet; the other didn't. Such is life, and I don't blame other kids for working harder. I told this DC, if you really want something, you have to work hard for it. That's the way life works, yes, even for kids. It's a life long lesson. Maybe stop blaming others for working harder than you, whether that's spending hours in a prep class or outside on a track field, and tell your kids that this is the way life works -- if you want something that badly you have to be willing to put in the effort, and someone else will always be willing to put in more effort than you.

One prep company did. And they got 28% of the Class of 2024 and 70% of the group from Loudoun County because of it.

And they're indirectly responsible, because I promise you that this issue is part of why the exam was eliminated and the lottery instituted, for thousands of Indian families having limited access to TJ over the next several years. I am furious with them for what they did.

Do you have a link to the story? And this is one out of how many prep classes? There are cheaters everywhere, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

+1

+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Why does it need to be independent to be considered "working hard"? Don't athletes have coaches, facilities, etc.. to help them prep?

Have you ever gone to a prep class? What do you think they do there? Do you think they have some secret access to the actual test? No, they don't. They use the materials that are out there. You could do the same. It's just paying someone else to go over the prep books vs you doing it. Personally, I don't want to do it, and if I wanted my kids to prep, I'd pay someone else to do it. I have bought my kids a cogat book from Amazon. Most people have the means to also buy a cogat book from amazon. I just let them take the practice test and provided no further guidance because it wasn't that important to me. But, I get it's important to other parents, so they send their kids to prep classes. More power to them.

One of my kids made it to magnet; the other didn't. Such is life, and I don't blame other kids for working harder. I told this DC, if you really want something, you have to work hard for it. That's the way life works, yes, even for kids. It's a life long lesson. Maybe stop blaming others for working harder than you, whether that's spending hours in a prep class or outside on a track field, and tell your kids that this is the way life works -- if you want something that badly you have to be willing to put in the effort, and someone else will always be willing to put in more effort than you.

One prep company did. And they got 28% of the Class of 2024 and 70% of the group from Loudoun County because of it.

And they're indirectly responsible, because I promise you that this issue is part of why the exam was eliminated and the lottery instituted, for thousands of Indian families having limited access to TJ over the next several years. I am furious with them for what they did.

Do you have a link to the story? And this is one out of how many prep classes? There are cheaters everywhere, btw.

Well, if there are cheaters everywhere, shouldn’t we first begin to tackle the obvious ones?

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Not everywhere is cheating deprecated.

[Anonymous]

Ask any Asian and they will condemn cheating too.

Curie is a case that revealed that the test could be created/administered a lot better.

There are a lot of Asians upset/angry because their kids could not get in, believe me.

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I have one kid got in, the other didn’t. Both are smart kids, but the one who ‘s in has much better resilience and work ethic and is more likely to succeed academically. The result is fair to me. We are Asians and no outside prep but we did help them go over materials whenever they feel challenged. Our help may have given them advantages over others who don’t get much support from family. I have no problem if the county offer free tutoring to those in need but won’t apologize for or stop helping them. I don’t understand why that would bother others.

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Anonymous wrote:Really, could someone provide an average study guide for an average Chinese student? No one seems to want to provide that information.

They go to Chinese school to learn Chinese on the weekend. May have a couple of extracurricular activities. May do some extra work, either with parents, in groups, or go to learning centers. If English is bad, may also have someone help there too.

Serious question here: So, after all of that studying and learning, are the kids considered a failure if they don't excel at school and get into TJ or another top high school...and then a top college? Is there a lot of competition within the Asian community to brag about where your child is going to school? Any shame among the community when the kid only gets into a "regular" school? I'd really like to understand this. Thanks.

Gosh, get to know some Asian families in real life.

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One prep company did. And they got 28% of the Class of 2024 and 70% of the group from Loudoun County because of it.

And they're indirectly responsible, because I promise you that this issue is part of why the exam was eliminated and the lottery instituted, for thousands of Indian families having limited access to TJ over the next several years. I am furious with them for what they did.

Ultimately cheaters (although in this case, still a gray area) will be exposed and their reputation will get a hit for it. Think about Curie's reputation now.

You learn from the mistakes. TJ was at fault too, for repeating questions on the exam. Then you devise a plan to make it more fair.

If URM representation is also a "mistake," you learn from that too. Devise a plan that solves the roots of the problem; have them more involved at an earlier age; create more opportunities for URMs to excel in math and science. The AA population is far greater in Alexandria, for example. Get the city of Alexandria to contribute and join in on the opportunity. You need to create an environment where opportunities are more inclusive, but at the same time, not shutting down more than half of a segment of the population who are current stakeholders and is passionate about STEM.

The lottery is a stop-gap measure. It increases animosity across different racial divides and negatively affects Asians the most (and it is not even close); whether it is falling house prices or a decrease in the student body. And there is no guarantee that it will achieve the desired outcome (since everything is by chance). The long term consequences are more obvious - TJ will not have its allure as a school. Some people are fine with that, but it is literally rolling the die to see what happens! In these cases, the most privileged class usually wins, no matter what!

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Anonymous wrote:Really, could someone provide an average study guide for an average Chinese student? No one seems to want to provide that information.

They go to Chinese school to learn Chinese on the weekend. May have a couple of extracurricular activities. May do some extra work, either with parents, in groups, or go to learning centers. If English is bad, may also have someone help there too.

Serious question here: So, after all of that studying and learning, are the kids considered a failure if they don't excel at school and get into TJ or another top high school...and then a top college? Is there a lot of competition within the Asian community to brag about where your child is going to school? Any shame among the community when the kid only gets into a "regular" school? I'd really like to understand this. Thanks.

Gosh, get to know some Asian families in real life.

Agree. I think not enough know enough Asian families. Hence all the misconceptions and the stereotyping.

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Anonymous wrote:How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

None because they don't study as hard as the locals. Perhaps real Americans should study harder. Just a thought.

No. Many Americans don't value spending all of our time studying. We want to live and enjoy a diverse life. There's more to life than studying and getting a high score on a test. What does that give you? You get to sit at a desk and write code for 100 hrs. per week until you retire? Is that the goal? When you're on your death bed, nobody is going to ask you how much money you made or what you scored on the SAT.

The assumption that all or most Asians are like this is absurd. Believe it or not, a lot of Asians are here for their children to have a more balanced life than their children would have had in their home countries.

It is all relative. I can see my kids work hard. But it is nothing compared to how I worked as a kid back in Asia. Most Asians would agree.

+1

+1 Americans think the amount of effort these Asian kids are putting in here are really high. This is nothing. You should see how many hours kids in Asia actually study. Academics in the US is a lot easier than in Asia.

Now, one could argue that if they don't want that kind of competitiveness, then why are they bringing it here. The problem is one of escalation. It's not unlike athletes. If a runner beats another by 1 sec, the second place runner will practice just that extra more to get two seconds off the time. Then the other runner practices even more to get two seconds of their time. And so and so forth.

It's all relative, and it can easily escalate. When is it enough? shrug.. it's all relative.

The US is supposed to be all about merit and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Some people are trying to do that, but others who don't want to work as hard call foul on others working hard. Seems that attitude is antithetical to the US culture of "if you work hard here you can succeed".

But working hard independently is way different than attending prep courses and hiring tutors to gain an advantage. All prepping does is skew results on true knowledge.

Why does it need to be independent to be considered "working hard"? Don't athletes have coaches, facilities, etc.. to help them prep?

Have you ever gone to a prep class? What do you think they do there? Do you think they have some secret access to the actual test? No, they don't. They use the materials that are out there. You could do the same. It's just paying someone else to go over the prep books vs you doing it. Personally, I don't want to do it, and if I wanted my kids to prep, I'd pay someone else to do it. I have bought my kids a cogat book from Amazon. Most people have the means to also buy a cogat book from amazon. I just let them take the practice test and provided no further guidance because it wasn't that important to me. But, I get it's important to other parents, so they send their kids to prep classes. More power to them.

One of my kids made it to magnet; the other didn't. Such is life, and I don't blame other kids for working harder. I told this DC, if you really want something, you have to work hard for it. That's the way life works, yes, even for kids. It's a life long lesson. Maybe stop blaming others for working harder than you, whether that's spending hours in a prep class or outside on a track field, and tell your kids that this is the way life works -- if you want something that badly you have to be willing to put in the effort, and someone else will always be willing to put in more effort than you.

One prep company did. And they got 28% of the Class of 2024 and 70% of the group from Loudoun County because of it.

And they're indirectly responsible, because I promise you that this issue is part of why the exam was eliminated and the lottery instituted, for thousands of Indian families having limited access to TJ over the next several years. I am furious with them for what they did.

Do you have a link to the story? And this is one out of how many prep classes? There are cheaters everywhere, btw.

Well, if there are cheaters everywhere, shouldn’t we first begin to tackle the obvious ones?

Sure, shutdown that prep class.

There are some real estate developers who are cheaters (ahem). Should we shutdown all real estate developers because of a few bad apples?

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Anonymous wrote:Really, could someone provide an average study guide for an average Chinese student? No one seems to want to provide that information.

They go to Chinese school to learn Chinese on the weekend. May have a couple of extracurricular activities. May do some extra work, either with parents, in groups, or go to learning centers. If English is bad, may also have someone help there too.

Serious question here: So, after all of that studying and learning, are the kids considered a failure if they don't excel at school and get into TJ or another top high school...and then a top college? Is there a lot of competition within the Asian community to brag about where your child is going to school? Any shame among the community when the kid only gets into a "regular" school? I'd really like to understand this. Thanks.

Why do you need to understand this? Is there shame in white families if their kids don't get a sports scholarship after spending thousands of dollars on travel sports and private coaches? Are they considered "failures". What about black kids who fail to get into a good university even after affirmative action? Are they considered failures?

See how that works?