What is your take on the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce saga? What happened on the plane?

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Why isn’t Jolie criticized as much as Octomom? Because she’s a rich child breeder/collector instead of a poor one?

If this thread is any evidence, Jolie is criticized, but perhaps in different ways.

Octomom was a woman who, along with her wacko doctor, deliberately made a reckless medical decision and then risked her life and the life of eight fetuses (who had no choice in the matter) to carry the pregnancy to term. And then she publicized the heck out of the whole thing to support herself.

Jolie and Pitt basically shut down the country of Namibia when they had Shiloh to preserve their privacy.

Yes, talk about white colonizers. That was disgusting.

Yikes!That is bizarre.

Yes, they could easily have remained secure at a Beverly Hills estate but decided to create a circus in an impoverished African country. So gross.

And guess whose decision that was? Pretty sure it wasn't Brad's.

Yep, she was always very clear about the best tactics for whipping up frenzied media interest in their family.

Isn’t she the actress famous for handling her own PR?

Yes, though she seems to have lost her touch lately.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t Jolie criticized as much as Octomom? Because she’s a rich child breeder/collector instead of a poor one?


As a long time cog in the wheels of family court justice, I take issue with the assertion that women are ignored or disbelieved whenever they raise abuse in family court. There is some of that, but it is not SOP. The uniform best interests standard that most courts in the country follow work pretty well to protect children. (Domestic abuse where the mother is the primary target is a different issue and I won’t muddy the waters by mixing that in because it doesn’t apply here.)

Jolie made claims of abuse that were thoroughly investigated by law enforcement/child protection authorities - and dismissed as unsubstantiated. She’s had ample opportunity to make a case to the mutually agreed upon private judge ruling on their custody settlement - and failed. This is a high conflict divorce with an unstable vindictive mother who is clearly alienating her kids against their father. I’ve seen it lots of times and I know it when I see it.

For the record I’m a card carrying, Women’s Studies degree earning feminist who has worked in domestic violence advocacy for nearly two decades - and came from a home steeped in domestic violence. I’m no men's rights apologist for abusers. But I acknowledge reality, which is that some women lie like crazy in family court, up to and including false allegations of child abuse and child molestation, too. Very sad that such REAL nasty women exist to muddy the waters for the rest of us, but it is plain truth that they do.

+1. I can barely even watch Jolie in movies anymore- her actions are such a turnoff. It is so obvious that she is an unstable and vindictive mother.

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She seems to feel total rage toward him, and I doubt this is about the children. She said she felt small at the end of their relationship--I think he had a ton of resentment toward her and checked out/didn't treat her well at that time. She needs major therapy to process whatever happened between them, and her role in, and learn not to drag their kids into it.

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I worked with her briefly and had a good experience. It’s hard to reconcile these stories with the woman I worked with.

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Anonymous wrote:I worked with her briefly and had a good experience. It’s hard to reconcile these stories with the woman I worked with.

She’s a good actress.

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Anonymous wrote:I worked with her briefly and had a good experience. It’s hard to reconcile these stories with the woman I worked with.

She’s a good actress.

That hasn’t been my experience behind the scenes. They ( actors) don’t put on a show for the help, unless they are ALWAYS putting on a show. If they are always acting, then that IS who they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t Jolie criticized as much as Octomom? Because she’s a rich child breeder/collector instead of a poor one?


As a long time cog in the wheels of family court justice, I take issue with the assertion that women are ignored or disbelieved whenever they raise abuse in family court. There is some of that, but it is not SOP. The uniform best interests standard that most courts in the country follow work pretty well to protect children. (Domestic abuse where the mother is the primary target is a different issue and I won’t muddy the waters by mixing that in because it doesn’t apply here.)

Jolie made claims of abuse that were thoroughly investigated by law enforcement/child protection authorities - and dismissed as unsubstantiated. She’s had ample opportunity to make a case to the mutually agreed upon private judge ruling on their custody settlement - and failed. This is a high conflict divorce with an unstable vindictive mother who is clearly alienating her kids against their father. I’ve seen it lots of times and I know it when I see it.

For the record I’m a card carrying, Women’s Studies degree earning feminist who has worked in domestic violence advocacy for nearly two decades - and came from a home steeped in domestic violence. I’m no men's rights apologist for abusers. But I acknowledge reality, which is that some women lie like crazy in family court, up to and including false allegations of child abuse and child molestation, too. Very sad that such REAL nasty women exist to muddy the waters for the rest of us, but it is plain truth that they do.

+1. I can barely even watch Jolie in movies anymore- her actions are such a turnoff. It is so obvious that she is an unstable and vindictive mother.

Side question: what is the best thing a dad can do in this situation?

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t Jolie criticized as much as Octomom? Because she’s a rich child breeder/collector instead of a poor one?


As a long time cog in the wheels of family court justice, I take issue with the assertion that women are ignored or disbelieved whenever they raise abuse in family court. There is some of that, but it is not SOP. The uniform best interests standard that most courts in the country follow work pretty well to protect children. (Domestic abuse where the mother is the primary target is a different issue and I won’t muddy the waters by mixing that in because it doesn’t apply here.)

Jolie made claims of abuse that were thoroughly investigated by law enforcement/child protection authorities - and dismissed as unsubstantiated. She’s had ample opportunity to make a case to the mutually agreed upon private judge ruling on their custody settlement - and failed. This is a high conflict divorce with an unstable vindictive mother who is clearly alienating her kids against their father. I’ve seen it lots of times and I know it when I see it.

For the record I’m a card carrying, Women’s Studies degree earning feminist who has worked in domestic violence advocacy for nearly two decades - and came from a home steeped in domestic violence. I’m no men's rights apologist for abusers. But I acknowledge reality, which is that some women lie like crazy in family court, up to and including false allegations of child abuse and child molestation, too. Very sad that such REAL nasty women exist to muddy the waters for the rest of us, but it is plain truth that they do.

+1. I can barely even watch Jolie in movies anymore- her actions are such a turnoff. It is so obvious that she is an unstable and vindictive mother.

Side question: what is the best thing a dad can do in this situation?

Basically do what Pitt is doing: hang in there, spend as much time with the kids as permitted, go through the courts and do not speak ill of their mother.

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And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

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Anonymous wrote:And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

Does Pitt not see his children these days?

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Anonymous wrote:And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

Does Pitt not see his children these days?

He apparently sees (most of?) them but on a limited basis. The judge ordered something closer to 50-50 (exact ratio not disclosed) but Jolie doesn't want him to have that, and apparently the three oldest children are alienated from him and willing to testify on her behalf. I don't think the judge's ruling takes effect until she gets through her appeal in July.

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Anonymous wrote:And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

Does Pitt not see his children these days?

He apparently sees (most of?) them but on a limited basis. The judge ordered something closer to 50-50 (exact ratio not disclosed) but Jolie doesn't want him to have that, and apparently the three oldest children are alienated from him and willing to testify on her behalf. I don't think the judge's ruling takes effect until she gets through her appeal in July.

That is messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

Does Pitt not see his children these days?

He apparently sees (most of?) them but on a limited basis. The judge ordered something closer to 50-50 (exact ratio not disclosed) but Jolie doesn't want him to have that, and apparently the three oldest children are alienated from him and willing to testify on her behalf. I don't think the judge's ruling takes effect until she gets through her appeal in July.

That is messed up.

Yeah, poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why isn’t Jolie criticized as much as Octomom? Because she’s a rich child breeder/collector instead of a poor one?

If this thread is any evidence, Jolie is criticized, but perhaps in different ways.

Octomom was a woman who, along with her wacko doctor, deliberately made a reckless medical decision and then risked her life and the life of eight fetuses (who had no choice in the matter) to carry the pregnancy to term. And then she publicized the heck out of the whole thing to support herself.

Jolie and Pitt basically shut down the country of Namibia when they had Shiloh to preserve their privacy.

Yes, talk about white colonizers. That was disgusting.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

The Namibians were pretty happy about it - lots of attention and revenue from press coming in. They just didn't let the press near the area Jolie and Pitt were staying. Pitt actually seems like a decent guy - we were posted to S. Africa at the time and the Embassy in Windhoek, Namibia told us that Pitt himself called the consular section and asked what they were going to need to do to get a birth report for the baby. He was afraid it would be a circus. The Embassy sent someone to them to take care of it in the end.

Thanks. Yes that is the truth of it all! Colonizers. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:And she's continuing the fight, putting 3 of her kids in the middle. Parental alienation is real. The judge had plenty of evidence from objective professionals, was right not to put the kids through that.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/angelina-jolie-says-3-kids-wanted-to-testify-in-brad-pitt-case/

Does Pitt not see his children these days?

He apparently sees (most of?) them but on a limited basis. The judge ordered something closer to 50-50 (exact ratio not disclosed) but Jolie doesn't want him to have that, and apparently the three oldest children are alienated from him and willing to testify on her behalf. I don't think the judge's ruling takes effect until she gets through her appeal in July.

Their almost grown. They know what he's done and should be able to see him or not see him if they want. As they age out so will the court nonsense.
All the kids are at the age to decide imo.