Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:Dude. Whoever you are doubling down on "hysterical" - you're either a troll, or very nicely demonstrating why actual feminists are impatient with this wing of trans activism.

Are those the anti-trans feminists? TERFs?

I'm not a TERF, unless you define that as wanting to be able to discuss women and motherhood in general, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights in women's rights? I welcome anyone of any gender who wants to fight for women's rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dude. Whoever you are doubling down on "hysterical" - you're either a troll, or very nicely demonstrating why actual feminists are impatient with this wing of trans activism.

Are those the anti-trans feminists? TERFs?

I'm not a TERF, unless you define that as wanting to be able to discuss women and motherhood in general, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights in women's rights? I welcome anyone of any gender who wants to fight for women's rights.

Do you think the rights of trans people impose on women’s rights?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

[Anonymous]

#1 Stupid of PG to announce this. Really, what was the point?
#2 Anyone offended with the packaging could pick from several other competitor products.
#3 We live in a country where we are terrified of offending or looking to be offended. We are not all equal. We will all be discriminated against at some point. We have a lot of options so if you don't like it, move on to the next.

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Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

Say what you want to say. That's under your control. People will react however they react - that's not under your control. If you believe that the reproductive system is the defining characteristic of women, and we have to somehow refer to the female reproductive system every time we talk about being a woman, then say those things. Nobody is stopping you.

Of course they aren't. So I'll keep saying what I think. And you can keep reacting how you react. I'm not the poster calling you Lisa BTW.

You are conflating posters.

-PP called "Lisa"

I'm the one who called you "Lisa". You're not responding to me in this post.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

Say what you want to say. That's under your control. People will react however they react - that's not under your control. If you believe that the reproductive system is the defining characteristic of women, and we have to somehow refer to the female reproductive system every time we talk about being a woman, then say those things. Nobody is stopping you.

Of course they aren't. So I'll keep saying what I think. And you can keep reacting how you react. I'm not the poster calling you Lisa BTW.

You are conflating posters.

-PP called "Lisa"

I'm the one who called you "Lisa". You're not responding to me in this post.

I think we figured that out when PP said “I'm not the poster calling you Lisa BTW.”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

What hyperbolic scenarios are being pushed? For the record I have not once in this thread complained about bathrooms or sports issues. I do think sports issues are complicated but I haven't talked about them here.

If you are talking about the idea that the word 'woman' could become a bad one that happened because someone literally invoked the word 'f*g' as a comparable term.

Women being denied educations because of their periods is not hyperbolic, that is something that is actually happening.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

What hyperbolic scenarios are being pushed? For the record I have not once in this thread complained about bathrooms or sports issues. I do think sports issues are complicated but I haven't talked about them here.

If you are talking about the idea that the word 'woman' could become a bad one that happened because someone literally invoked the word 'f*g' as a comparable term.

Women being denied educations because of their periods is not hyperbolic, that is something that is actually happening.

Going from a minor change in pad packaging in the US to girls being denied an education abroad is certainly hyperbolic. As is “women” becoming a “bad” word.

Fearmongering 101.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Dude. Whoever you are doubling down on "hysterical" - you're either a troll, or very nicely demonstrating why actual feminists are impatient with this wing of trans activism.

Are those the anti-trans feminists? TERFs?

I'm not a TERF, unless you define that as wanting to be able to discuss women and motherhood in general, and the pre-eminence of reproductive rights in women's rights? I welcome anyone of any gender who wants to fight for women's rights.

Do you think the rights of trans people impose on women’s rights?

Well?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

What hyperbolic scenarios are being pushed? For the record I have not once in this thread complained about bathrooms or sports issues. I do think sports issues are complicated but I haven't talked about them here.

If you are talking about the idea that the word 'woman' could become a bad one that happened because someone literally invoked the word 'f*g' as a comparable term.

Women being denied educations because of their periods is not hyperbolic, that is something that is actually happening.

Going from a minor change in pad packaging in the US to girls being denied an education abroad is certainly hyperbolic. As is “women” becoming a “bad” word.

Fearmongering 101.

And I posted repeatedly here that this one package doesn't matter. But that clearly the thread has evolved into a more global conversation about the issue. Personally I won't even think about this the next time I buy tampons, I will just buy whatever cheap organic tampons are on the shelf. No plans to boycott.

Acting like people are still talking about the packaging after 20+ pages of an evolving discussion is willfully ignoring what people are trying to spend time communicating. Calling them hysterical and invoking anti woman language makes you sound like a troll. Asking people if they work in a certain northern virginia village over and over again and just calling people who express concern over this transphobic makes you sound like a troll. Refusing to give any opinions whatsoever about your thoughts on women's rights makes you seem like a troll.

If you really care about trans rights you are doing a pretty poor job defending them as you seem far more focused on silencing women who ARE supportive of trans rights than actually saying anything of substance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for minority rights, if the minority is big enough!

Wait, what?

Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

What hyperbolic scenarios are being pushed? For the record I have not once in this thread complained about bathrooms or sports issues. I do think sports issues are complicated but I haven't talked about them here.

If you are talking about the idea that the word 'woman' could become a bad one that happened because someone literally invoked the word 'f*g' as a comparable term.

Women being denied educations because of their periods is not hyperbolic, that is something that is actually happening.

Going from a minor change in pad packaging in the US to girls being denied an education abroad is certainly hyperbolic. As is “women” becoming a “bad” word.

Fearmongering 101.

And I posted repeatedly here that this one package doesn't matter. But that clearly the thread has evolved into a more global conversation about the issue. Personally I won't even think about this the next time I buy tampons, I will just buy whatever cheap organic tampons are on the shelf. No plans to boycott.

Acting like people are still talking about the packaging after 20+ pages of an evolving discussion is willfully ignoring what people are trying to spend time communicating. Calling them hysterical and invoking anti woman language makes you sound like a troll. Asking people if they work in a certain northern virginia village over and over again and just calling people who express concern over this transphobic makes you sound like a troll. Refusing to give any opinions whatsoever about your thoughts on women's rights makes you seem like a troll.

If you really care about trans rights you are doing a pretty poor job defending them as you seem far more focused on silencing women who ARE supportive of trans rights than actually saying anything of substance.

I answered 3x already. GMAFB.

Do you think the rights of trans people impose on women’s rights?

You are trying to force the conversation to jump from pad packaging to a “global” conversation in a disproportionate manner. Extrapolating the removal of Venus to the word “woman” becoming a “bad” word and girls prevented from getting an education? If anyone is a troll here, it’s you.

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Cute!

But...not everything is a right. Some things are non-issue nonsense. And turning everything into a crusade is exhausting.

Plus, there is no universally designated spokesperson for the trans people. In fact, there’s a great deal of subjective disagreement among them. Ya know, because they are individuals with their own unique perspective and opinion.

Yes the RWNJ CRUSADE against trans people is getting exhausting.

Attaching cancel culture to absurd language use policing is basically falling right into the hands of the RWNJ crusade. Focus on actual injustice and power, and you'll find many more allies.

Yes, so let's not get all HYSTERICAL over a minor change to pad packaging.

Likewise, let’s not get HYSTERICAL (not to mention repetitive) about not removing this minor, meaningless little sign from pad packaging.

No one cares about the packaging. There are bigger issues for your "concern".

Most of us arguing the other side here ALSO don't think the packaging is a big deal. It is all about the larger ramifications and you know it, because that's what both of us are arguing about.

Oh - just a little bit of fearmongering then? Oh OK.

Hey answer the questions if you don't want us fear mongering.

1) Are you truly in support of replacing the word woman with the word person?
2) Do you believe 'woman' is equivalent to a slur that should be condemned to the scrap pile of history
3) Do you think the word 'man' is equally as offensive?

I don't think anyone should engage with you anymore until you are clear about what you are saying and answer these questions.

LOL. I will not succumb to the fearmongering. Go start a new thread if you are so "concerned" about women's rights.

I'm sure your RWNJ bosses will pay for the extra time for you to start a new thread. Be sure to throw in some comments about bathrooms and sports.

Yeah exactly. You don't want to throw out anything concrete because your purpose is not to have a discussion but to spread divisiveness. You don't care about anyone other than your own enjoyment of setting people off against each other.

LOL. You are projecting - who has caused the divisiveness here by spinning up hyperbolic scenarios? You.

I am calling you out on exactly that.

Tell me what you actually believe. I'm not responding to any of your taunts until I believe that you actually have something to say.

I believe you have anti-trans motives for spinning up hyperbolic scenarios and trying to spread fear à la RWNJ propaganda.

And I have repeatedly explained that I don't and what my thoughts are, and you never respond to the substance you just disregard me. I have no problem with transgendered people living their life as freely as possible.

Tell me what you think about women's rights, feminism, reproductive rights, the terms "feminism" and "women's rights" and if you feel like gendered male language needs to change in the same way that gendered women's language is changing.

I don’t trust your intentions.

I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive. It does not affect me or my experiences.

You continue to be more intent on attacking me and my theoretical motives rather than saying anything of actual substance. You're a pot stirrer trying to avoid being boxed in.

Says the pot stirrer.

I shared my thoughts above. Again, I’m open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

I'm not a pot stirrer. I have posted at length about concerns about the importance of being able to label women's issues women's issues. I've brought up the importance of periods remaining a woman/girl's issue because of how it literally still holds WOMEN back in other countries.

You never respond to any of that. You just call me names. Again, you refuse to say what you think about feminism and the terms 'women' and 'women's rights' despite being fine throwing out inflammatory comments vaguely linking those terms to slurs.

Again, for the third time, I am open to language evolving to be more inclusive.

Why are pushing these hyperbolic scenarios?

What hyperbolic scenarios are being pushed? For the record I have not once in this thread complained about bathrooms or sports issues. I do think sports issues are complicated but I haven't talked about them here.

If you are talking about the idea that the word 'woman' could become a bad one that happened because someone literally invoked the word 'f*g' as a comparable term.

Women being denied educations because of their periods is not hyperbolic, that is something that is actually happening.

Going from a minor change in pad packaging in the US to girls being denied an education abroad is certainly hyperbolic. As is “women” becoming a “bad” word.

Fearmongering 101.

And I posted repeatedly here that this one package doesn't matter. But that clearly the thread has evolved into a more global conversation about the issue. Personally I won't even think about this the next time I buy tampons, I will just buy whatever cheap organic tampons are on the shelf. No plans to boycott.

Acting like people are still talking about the packaging after 20+ pages of an evolving discussion is willfully ignoring what people are trying to spend time communicating. Calling them hysterical and invoking anti woman language makes you sound like a troll. Asking people if they work in a certain northern virginia village over and over again and just calling people who express concern over this transphobic makes you sound like a troll. Refusing to give any opinions whatsoever about your thoughts on women's rights makes you seem like a troll.

If you really care about trans rights you are doing a pretty poor job defending them as you seem far more focused on silencing women who ARE supportive of trans rights than actually saying anything of substance.

I answered 3x already. GMAFB.

Do you think the rights of trans people impose on women’s rights?

You are trying to force the conversation to jump from pad packaging to a “global” conversation in a disproportionate manner. Extrapolating the removal of Venus to the word “woman” becoming a “bad” word and girls prevented from getting an education? If anyone is a troll here, it’s you.

Saying, "I believe language should be more inclusive" does not answer any of that. I am not ignoring your response. But to me it is evasive as it does not actually answer any of the questions I asked. I think someone that invokes f_g as equivalent to 'woman' needs to give an actual answer about how they feel about the word woman.

The question is, should language about menstruation become more inclusive. It isn't about a specific package of pads, who cares about a specific package of pads. Not me and not others here. I do care very much about language around menstruation losing woman focused language BECAUSE of reasons like I cited.

Once again you try to ignore what I'm actually saying, point to me being a lunatic about a pack of pads that I don't care about and avoid answering actual questions so you can appear to have the moral high ground.

I've been extremely clear and forthcoming about my position, I am not a troll. You just want to believe that anyone who thinks something like this must be some super christian anti trans mouthpiece when I am entirely the opposite. There are a spectrum of viewpoints on this.

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Guys, start a new post instead of responding to umpteen posts. While the endless nesting of comments is actually kind of pretty as I scroll through it, it's taking up waaaaaayyy too much space.