Official Abortion Thread
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Anonymous
Don't worry, these clever legislators have thought of everything - in some of these laws, if you travel to another state to have an abortion, you STILL can be prosecuted. |
Anonymous
Religion has no place in this argument, separation of church and state. I am an atheist, I equate your god with Santa Claus. I do not require you to live by my morals and I should not have to live by yours. I do not believe that a bunch of cells is more important than my life and my goals for my life. Why don't we worry about all of the children in the foster care system, all of the children being raised in poverty and the children being detained at the border before there is any concern about abortion. Let's show more concern about the children and mothers that are already here. And if I don't have complete sovereignty over my body, I have no freedom at all. My body, my choice!!!! |
Anonymous
This is huge, actually. If you aren’t a kid of the 80s or older, may I introduce someone instrumental in forming the religious right. And he has decent political sense (although I really dislike him). Practically, this is a loser for Republicans. It is so facially unconstitutional, and affects birth control like IUDs, that it will be stayed and never heard from again. But, it changed the conversion. Fact is 70% of Americans support RvW and 80% of Americans believe there should be abortion in some cases besides saving the mother— like rape and incest. Ralph Northam (who has been a huge distraction as VA’s governor and needs to not run again, says the VA resident) and NY managed to make the Dem position on abortion about the extremes. Many democrats, including myself, are not there for third trimester abortions unless the mothers health or life is at risk or the baby has serious disabilities. And arguing otherwise I’d out of step with where most of America is. Before the GA and AL bans, the discussion was Democrats would let you abort a healthy baby who just be born instead and live outside the womb. It’s not a popular position. Alabama and Georgia changed the conservations to— Republicans would make tweens carry a rapists baby. Also, very distasteful. Alabama and Georia’s mistake was changing the conversation. Because now the outrage cycle has moved from what monsters Dems are to what monsters Rs are. And they are tilting at windmills. John Roberts deeply cares about the legitimacy of the Court. Enough to save the ACA. For now, they are going to erode incrementally and pile on restrictions and make it functionally, but not legally, impossible to get an abortion in these states. Plus, suburban white women swung the House flip in 2018. Not letting their tweens who have been raped get an abortion? Only in the state where the Republicans political instincts gave us Roy Moore. Because we are 6 seconds away from some viral Twitter meme about how Roy Moore has finally found a way to make young girls have his babies. SMH |
Anonymous
PP from directly above, I forgot to add that birth control should be free and available to all!! |
Anonymous
Just wow.  Stupid and proud, I guess. Next line: I don’t understand why all those educated libtards thing they know so much more than me.
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Anonymous
It's obviously not that simple. None of us have complete sovereignty over our bodies: we can't take certain drugs without prescriptions, for example. Moreover, and more importantly for this discussion, we can't use our bodies to physically harm another person. My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins. The whole debate comes down to whether and to what extent a fetus should be considered a "person" vs. a bundle of cells no different (legally) than a fingernail or an appendix. It's not an easy question and I think that those who pretend otherwise (on both sides of the debate) do a disservice to us all. |
Anonymous
| Why is it that there is no punishment for men who get women pregnant? If women lose control over their bodies for the nine months of pregnancy, perhaps the men should be imprisoned for the same length of time? |
Anonymous
Castration. |
Anonymous
Not a "person" until born. |
Anonymous
But it IS an easy question. It’s as easy as answering whether a parent should be required by the State to donate their blood/organs to their child if it would save their life. Pretending that it is complicated and difficult is why we are in this position. The State can either force you to sacrifice your body to save another or it can’t. |
Anonymous
Which is apparently the goal of MAGA. |
Anonymous
I understand that it's easy for you (and, ironically, for those who disagree with you), but for me it's a very, very difficult question indeed. I'd suggest that the level of disagreement about this issue is an indicator of it's complexity. Your example is interesting, and one I've not heard before. FWIW, I'd think that a parent SHOULD be required to donate blood to save a child's life. But an organ or anything life-threatening to parent? I'm not sure. |
Anonymous
+1 Even Scalia did not want to get into this "personhood" issue because of all the lawsuits that would stem from that. Once you say this bundle of cells is a "person", then the "person" is entitled to all kinds of things as a "person" under the law. And there are a lot of things that can be litigated . . . . |
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure and I'm a parent. I'm pretty sure I don't want the government deciding whether or not I have to give my life for my child's life and donate that organ. There's a reason you put on your own oxygen mask first on the airplane before helping your child. Maybe the government should change the airline regs on that? |
Anonymous
I wonder how many women will be killed because of this new ban? The stat now is that more than half of all women murdered are killed by a spouse or romantic partner. And now this is one more reason - the man doesn’t want to be burdened with a baby, so he kills the pregnant mom. |