08 Girls

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

While I agree with what you said, you didn’t answer my question. My question was do these girls have good or great individual skills and able to use it in a real game when they are coached to be passers and distribute the ball?

I did answer your question. Taking kids on 1v1 is about confidence as much as it is about skill. Passing and taking kids on is a decision process and team dynamics, perceived style of play as well as team dynamics plays a role in regards to whether or not a kid actually takes a kid on or shoots. If you notice great first touch, movement and accurate passing then YES the girls have skill. The real question is how and why they decide to deploy their skill.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

While I agree with what you said, you didn’t answer my question. My question was do these girls have good or great individual skills and able to use it in a real game when they are coached to be passers and distribute the ball?

I did answer your question. Taking kids on 1v1 is about confidence as much as it is about skill. Passing and taking kids on is a decision process and team dynamics, perceived style of play as well as team dynamics plays a role in regards to whether or not a kid actually takes a kid on or shoots. If you notice great first touch, movement and accurate passing then YES the girls have skill. The real question is how and why they decide to deploy their skill.

It's not all or nothing like most American coaches teach. This is the fatal flaw.

A coach that truly understands possession style play thinks of every player in an attacking mindset. Even the Center back is encouraged to go forward, dribble into space and yes even take players on before distributing the ball---the flanks or midfield fills in behind for him/her.

The number one sign of a good player is knowing when to pass vs when to dribble. It comes with good coaching and time and natural soccer IQ. In the final- 1/3 anything should go.

My kids play at a possession Club and the players all have incredible technical ball skill---1 v 1, etc. That opportunity is enforced in the drills in practice.

I can't say if those girls have individual skill or not or a Coach that gets angry if they don't immediately distribute when they would have had plenty of time/space or are in the attacking 1/3 of the field.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

While I agree with what you said, you didn’t answer my question. My question was do these girls have good or great individual skills and able to use it in a real game when they are coached to be passers and distribute the ball?

I did answer your question. Taking kids on 1v1 is about confidence as much as it is about skill. Passing and taking kids on is a decision process and team dynamics, perceived style of play as well as team dynamics plays a role in regards to whether or not a kid actually takes a kid on or shoots. If you notice great first touch, movement and accurate passing then YES the girls have skill. The real question is how and why they decide to deploy their skill.

It's not all or nothing like most American coaches teach. This is the fatal flaw.

A coach that truly understands possession style play thinks of every player in an attacking mindset. Even the Center back is encouraged to go forward, dribble into space and yes even take players on before distributing the ball---the flanks or midfield fills in behind for him/her.

The number one sign of a good player is knowing when to pass vs when to dribble. It comes with good coaching and time and natural soccer IQ. In the final- 1/3 anything should go.

My kids play at a possession Club and the players all have incredible technical ball skill---1 v 1, etc. That opportunity is enforced in the drills in practice.

I can't say if those girls have individual skill or not or a Coach that gets angry if they don't immediately distribute when they would have had plenty of time/space or are in the attacking 1/3 of the field.

Why is the concept of flat out confidence being a necessity of risk taking alluding you? Yes, the kids are skilled but they lack the confidence to take a perceived risk. They are coached to value possession but at 11 years and younger they are less inclined to be creative at the expense of doing what they believe to be what the coach wants. Unless the opportunity is wide open, to many girls the pass is the better play. They are often more afraid of missing the shot than they are excited about possibly scoring.

There are likely many reasons per individual kid but lacking confidence to take risks will be among the top reasons with younger girls. Girls are more open to passing at younger ages because they value cooperative play and sharing as more important. Boys simply take much longer to develop cooperative play and believe they can dribble through an entire team at any given moment.

I'm quite certain that coaches would be happy with kids scoring goals so it is unlikely discouraged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

I really do not see that on the girls teams I have seen play. Most dribble(way too much) and take bad shots ignore wide open player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

I really do not see that on the girls teams I have seen play. Most dribble(way too much) and take bad shots ignore wide open player.

And yet the topic of girls passing to much was brought up. I have seen girls over dribble and take bad shots too. But the point of the OP was discussing skilled players. I would not consider a player who over dribbles to the point of losing the ball or taking poor shots repeatedly a skilled player in any sense. They likely lack any vision and certainly lack game IQ and spatial awareness. Confidence and tunnel vision are not skill traits.

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All I know about 08 girls is that McLean Green is pretty solid; however, the coach is a d-bag and I would never leave my daughter play for him.

[Anonymous]

+1000 ono both point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

While I agree with what you said, you didn’t answer my question. My question was do these girls have good or great individual skills and able to use it in a real game when they are coached to be passers and distribute the ball?

I did answer your question. Taking kids on 1v1 is about confidence as much as it is about skill. Passing and taking kids on is a decision process and team dynamics, perceived style of play as well as team dynamics plays a role in regards to whether or not a kid actually takes a kid on or shoots. If you notice great first touch, movement and accurate passing then YES the girls have skill. The real question is how and why they decide to deploy their skill.

It's not all or nothing like most American coaches teach. This is the fatal flaw.

A coach that truly understands possession style play thinks of every player in an attacking mindset. Even the Center back is encouraged to go forward, dribble into space and yes even take players on before distributing the ball---the flanks or midfield fills in behind for him/her.

The number one sign of a good player is knowing when to pass vs when to dribble. It comes with good coaching and time and natural soccer IQ. In the final- 1/3 anything should go.

My kids play at a possession Club and the players all have incredible technical ball skill---1 v 1, etc. That opportunity is enforced in the drills in practice.

I can't say if those girls have individual skill or not or a Coach that gets angry if they don't immediately distribute when they would have had plenty of time/space or are in the attacking 1/3 of the field.

Why is the concept of flat out confidence being a necessity of risk taking alluding you? Yes, the kids are skilled but they lack the confidence to take a perceived risk. They are coached to value possession but at 11 years and younger they are less inclined to be creative at the expense of doing what they believe to be what the coach wants. Unless the opportunity is wide open, to many girls the pass is the better play. They are often more afraid of missing the shot than they are excited about possibly scoring.

There are likely many reasons per individual kid but lacking confidence to take risks will be among the top reasons with younger girls. Girls are more open to passing at younger ages because they value cooperative play and sharing as more important. Boys simply take much longer to develop cooperative play and believe they can dribble through an entire team at any given moment.

I'm quite certain that coaches would be happy with kids scoring goals so it is unlikely discouraged.

In a perfect world, confidence should solve the problem. Trying to fit in is a real problem and it exists. I’ve seen it when the team is stacked with royalty lol , when you’re the new girl, or when kids are worried about moving down. Did I make a mistake? Oh no.. I hope the coach didn’t see that. Then you have kids that are afraid to make a mistake because of possible embarrassment from team mates. It happens The best teams are the ones with no ‘social hierarchy’ and where kids can fail over and over and learn from mistakes.

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Mclean 08 is not doing WAGS? BRYC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

I really do not see that on the girls teams I have seen play. Most dribble(way too much) and take bad shots ignore wide open player.

And yet the topic of girls passing to much was brought up. I have seen girls over dribble and take bad shots too. But the point of the OP was discussing skilled players. I would not consider a player who over dribbles to the point of losing the ball or taking poor shots repeatedly a skilled player in any sense. They likely lack any vision and certainly lack game IQ and spatial awareness. Confidence and tunnel vision are not skill traits.

But they are on the top team of a big club....so you must be wrong.

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^ I assume this is sarcasm. We all know the traits most big clubs go after....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

I really do not see that on the girls teams I have seen play. Most dribble(way too much) and take bad shots ignore wide open player.

And yet the topic of girls passing to much was brought up. I have seen girls over dribble and take bad shots too. But the point of the OP was discussing skilled players. I would not consider a player who over dribbles to the point of losing the ball or taking poor shots repeatedly a skilled player in any sense. They likely lack any vision and certainly lack game IQ and spatial awareness. Confidence and tunnel vision are not skill traits.

But they are on the top team of a big club....so you must be wrong.

Exactly what is your point?

I am simply claiming that skilled girls who pass may simply lack the confidence to shoot or take people on. Kids with and without skill can take kids on but the decision to do so usually comes from confidence to do so.

[Anonymous]

McLean and BRYC doing Discovery cup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that lots of good 2008G teams are great at passing, first touch and overall high possession. But I also noticed that they typically look for a pass rather than doing 1V1 and using individual skill moves to shoot, etc. near the opposing team’s third area of the field.

Do these girls possess great individual skill moves? Is the style of play dictated by their coach stymied their individual dribbling, creativity, take calculated risk near the opposing goal, etc?

Girls in general are loath to be selfish and will tend to pass and look like a good teammate versus shoot and look selfish. Boys have the opposite problem.

wow this is deep.
So is there a way to tell a girl or person pretending to be unselfish or she actually is unselfish?

You for sure are watching a different game that is not soccer.

I don't know man but when girls are in the box, have an open shot and choose to pass you tell me whats going on. Because that is what I see with girls all the time. A girls social hierarchy is based on fitting in and getting along. Boys hierarchy is based on alpha. Girls tend to defer and if you have a group of betas you will get comical sequences of "no, you take the ball and shoot, no, you take it and shoot I might miss etc...." Defense then recovers the ball and proceeds to kick it out for a throw in, a throw in that will proceed to take no less than five minutes of indecision only to be hurled at a teammate 3 feet away as hard as they can throw to immediately bounce out of bounds for the other team to throw in and the viscous cycle repeats.

I really do not see that on the girls teams I have seen play. Most dribble(way too much) and take bad shots ignore wide open player.

And yet the topic of girls passing to much was brought up. I have seen girls over dribble and take bad shots too. But the point of the OP was discussing skilled players. I would not consider a player who over dribbles to the point of losing the ball or taking poor shots repeatedly a skilled player in any sense. They likely lack any vision and certainly lack game IQ and spatial awareness. Confidence and tunnel vision are not skill traits.

But they are on the top team of a big club....so you must be wrong.

Exactly what is your point?

I am simply claiming that skilled girls who pass may simply lack the confidence to shoot or take p

eople on. Kids with and without skill can take kids on but the decision to do so usually comes from confidence to do so.