Loudoun Struggles in ECNL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And with all this development Loudoun has the worst record in ECNL among Virginia clubs. At some point development must translate into wins. If it does not, development mantra is an excuse for incompetence. Loudoun' performance in ECNL shows that the only thing the club developed is the culture of losing.

"Culture" of losing cannot be defined by one or even two years. That implies a seriously long period of time which has not happened yet. As has been said by others, many of Loudoun's top players after U12 have left for other ECNL clubs in the past. Now that they have ECNL, they only real threat is some leaving for DA. On the development point, it's defined by individual players and teams getting BETTER, not necessarily winning. If skillsets and athleticism on a given team is relatively low compared to others in the same league, a team can develop and never win, but they may make 0-8 results into 0-1 or 2 results by the end of the year. That wouldn't meet your definition of development because the team wouldn't have won a game, but it is. To gauge that kind of effect over time takes several years, not one or two.

One year of losing is not a big deal, but if every single age group in ECNL has a losing record, it encompasses more than one year of development and retentioin issues. The only semi-legitimate excuse that was given is that Loudoun's top players used to leave for DA and ENCL teams from other clubs, because Loudoun played in CCL so it was harder to retain top players and the hope is that Loudoun will improve its retention rate by marketing ECNL status. i

Will you get off the what the older teams are doing, it doesn't matter. The 06 Loudoun ECNL team beat FCV 06 DA team even after FCV picked over the Loudoun roster. Not every strong player in Loudoun left for FCV ECNL either. Many went to McLean over the years. So Loudoun kids have been represented on FCV and McLean ECNL rosters for years. With ECNL being an option for Loudoun going forward Loudoun Red will no longer be losing 10 kids a year to FCV and McLean like they did in the past.

If you can't understand due to talent drain to ECNL clubs over the past 4-6 years has had an effect on those Loudoun team then you are purposely being stubborn or you are not very smart or both. Successful current ECNL and DA rosters are littered with former Loudoun players. Going forward, most of those players will simply stay at Loudoun because unlike years before, Loudoun has a true showcase platform league. Frankly, for 05 and above the Loudoun ECNL teams are basically Loudoun black and when looked at that way Loudoun is doing very well fielding essentially B teams.

And, just as a final reminder, Loudoun's 06 ECNL team beat FCV's DA team in WAGs.

In the same tournament Loudoun 06 ECNL lost to two other DA teams which FCV has previously beat. (Loudoun was lucky to be in the semfinal to face undefeated FCV despite their second place finish in their bracket, they were not so lucky in the final against another almost as good DA team). Their 4 and 4 record in ECNL places 06 Loudoun ECNL currently in 5th out of 11 in their ECNL division (the highest of any Loudoun ECNL team).

Standings are not kept for U13 DA but if they were I believe FCVs 5 wins and 1 tie would have them solidly in first in their division.

Loudoun 06 ECNL is alright, FCV 06 DA is better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the ECNL standings. McLean is higher than Loudoun on every age group until you get to the U13s. The Loudoun U13 team is clearly better than McLean. The club flipped the switch with the 06s. That same team beat FCV 06 at WAGS. They were able to retain some (but not all) of their talent. That team by the way does not have a losing record. They are 4-4.

Loudoun was awarded ECNL in March of this year after DA ID sessions were done and some players were out the door. That won't happen again.

Going into next year - Loudoun parents KNOW already that Loudoun has ECNL. They see the improvements with the U13s. This is a program on the rise. A program Loudoun parents know and trust. Friends our DDs already have.

Any parent that thinks this does not completely change the landscape is a fool. I find it interesting that parents can be so stubborn about this. The only reason I can think of for a non-Loudoun parent to be so obsessed about this issue is that this is affecting your DD and whether you stay on your current team. Don't say we didn't warn you.

The 4-4 record with -1 goal difference is nothing to brag about. VDA, which also in its first year in ECNL, has 10-1 record with +28 goal difference in the same age group. VDA also has 8-2 record with +15 goal difference in U14 age group. Loudoun U14s have 1-5 record with -8 goal difference. I am not even going to discuss Loudoun U16 team's performance here.

Then perhaps you should be looking to poach VDA kids instead? oh snap, they are happy where they are too. We are gonna see if FCV truly can develop now that they will be dependent on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

I agree with your take on the video, especially your observations regarding foot skills and sideline behavior, but the video says Jefferson Cup, which normally attracts top teams. Did Loudoun Red 07 play Clarkstown in the last Jefferson Cup?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

I agree with your take on the video, especially your observations regarding foot skills and sideline behavior, but the video says Jefferson Cup, which normally attracts top teams. Did Loudoun Red 07 play Clarkstown in the last Jefferson Cup?

It looks like they were playing in the top u11 division of last year's Jefferson Cup. I'm sure there will be more competition this year--my daughter's team will travel there this year, but the club does not send u10 or u11 teams. That would also have been last March, so maybe they have improved... But it's definitely not the style and speed of play I see from our club and the teams we play against currently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

I agree with your take on the video, especially your observations regarding foot skills and sideline behavior, but the video says Jefferson Cup, which normally attracts top teams. Did Loudoun Red 07 play Clarkstown in the last Jefferson Cup?

Well they are 07 so that makes them u11 last year when this was taken? Not sure what you are expecting, they receive the ball well and make reasonably good passes.

How does this compare to the u11 teams in your area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

I agree with your take on the video, especially your observations regarding foot skills and sideline behavior, but the video says Jefferson Cup, which normally attracts top teams. Did Loudoun Red 07 play Clarkstown in the last Jefferson Cup?

Well, I'm sure FCV looked better losing in the Third Bracket semi finals at Jeff Cup though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

I agree with your take on the video, especially your observations regarding foot skills and sideline behavior, but the video says Jefferson Cup, which normally attracts top teams. Did Loudoun Red 07 play Clarkstown in the last Jefferson Cup?

Well they are 07 so that makes them u11 last year when this was taken? Not sure what you are expecting, they receive the ball well and make reasonably good passes.

How does this compare to the u11 teams in your area?

I'm not sure I want to go down this rabbit hole, but I'd say that the top clubs in our area play more of a possession style, even last spring at U11. Kids are encouraged to dribble and take players on (when appropriate). That said--I only watched 5 min of that video, so take my comment with a grain of salt. It was just a first impression.

The main reason I even commented was the sideline coaching. If you want your child to develop, stop yelling instructions from the sidelines. You probably have no idea what the coach has told the kids to focus on for that game and you're most likely just confusing them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

The video was shot by a Clarkstown parent so the sidelines you heard were not Loudoun parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

The video was shot by a Clarkstown parent so the sidelines you heard were not Loudoun parents.

I wasn't calling out either team or their parents specifically. Just amazed that I was hearing that much from the sideline period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And with all this development Loudoun has the worst record in ECNL among Virginia clubs. At some point development must translate into wins. If it does not, development mantra is an excuse for incompetence. Loudoun' performance in ECNL shows that the only thing the club developed is the culture of losing.

"Culture" of losing cannot be defined by one or even two years. That implies a seriously long period of time which has not happened yet. As has been said by others, many of Loudoun's top players after U12 have left for other ECNL clubs in the past. Now that they have ECNL, they only real threat is some leaving for DA. On the development point, it's defined by individual players and teams getting BETTER, not necessarily winning. If skillsets and athleticism on a given team is relatively low compared to others in the same league, a team can develop and never win, but they may make 0-8 results into 0-1 or 2 results by the end of the year. That wouldn't meet your definition of development because the team wouldn't have won a game, but it is. To gauge that kind of effect over time takes several years, not one or two.

One year of losing is not a big deal, but if every single age group in ECNL has a losing record, it encompasses more than one year of development and retentioin issues. The only semi-legitimate excuse that was given is that Loudoun's top players used to leave for DA and ENCL teams from other clubs, because Loudoun played in CCL so it was harder to retain top players and the hope is that Loudoun will improve its retention rate by marketing ECNL status. i

Will you get off the what the older teams are doing, it doesn't matter. The 06 Loudoun ECNL team beat FCV 06 DA team even after FCV picked over the Loudoun roster. Not every strong player in Loudoun left for FCV ECNL either. Many went to McLean over the years. So Loudoun kids have been represented on FCV and McLean ECNL rosters for years. With ECNL being an option for Loudoun going forward Loudoun Red will no longer be losing 10 kids a year to FCV and McLean like they did in the past.

If you can't understand due to talent drain to ECNL clubs over the past 4-6 years has had an effect on those Loudoun team then you are purposely being stubborn or you are not very smart or both. Successful current ECNL and DA rosters are littered with former Loudoun players. Going forward, most of those players will simply stay at Loudoun because unlike years before, Loudoun has a true showcase platform league. Frankly, for 05 and above the Loudoun ECNL teams are basically Loudoun black and when looked at that way Loudoun is doing very well fielding essentially B teams.

And, just as a final reminder, Loudoun's 06 ECNL team beat FCV's DA team in WAGs.

In the same tournament Loudoun 06 ECNL lost to two other DA teams which FCV has previously beat. (Loudoun was lucky to be in the semfinal to face undefeated FCV despite their second place finish in their bracket, they were not so lucky in the final against another almost as good DA team). Their 4 and 4 record in ECNL places 06 Loudoun ECNL currently in 5th out of 11 in their ECNL division (the highest of any Loudoun ECNL team).

Standings are not kept for U13 DA but if they were I believe FCVs 5 wins and 1 tie would have them solidly in first in their division.

Loudoun 06 ECNL is alright, FCV 06 DA is better.

Yep - it's both. You are both stubborn and not very smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the often mentioned Loudoun 07 Red that is supposed to cure all Loudoun's development problems? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG43hvLsZ40&list=PLV6TvnXDTQv_6SJLhj2MRyBQ09fR4XwRm&index=3

First, I am not from the DC area, so I am not familiar with these teams, but that video can't possibly be those clubs' top 2007 teams. I watched about 5 minutes and didn't see a single player use foot skills of any kind.

Second, the amount of parent coaching on the sidelines is crazy. My daughter is pre-ECNL 2007 and our coaches would never tolerate that. Why are you paying a professional coach if you're just going to tell your kid what to do (sometimes the opposite of what the coach wants) from the sideline. SMH

The video was shot by a Clarkstown parent so the sidelines you heard were not Loudoun parents.

I wasn't calling out either team or their parents specifically. Just amazed that I was hearing that much from the sideline period.

Fair enough

[Anonymous]

This is what FCV ID Sessions look like in Jan and Feb -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcAJfOrYSzE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And with all this development Loudoun has the worst record in ECNL among Virginia clubs. At some point development must translate into wins. If it does not, development mantra is an excuse for incompetence. Loudoun' performance in ECNL shows that the only thing the club developed is the culture of losing.

"Culture" of losing cannot be defined by one or even two years. That implies a seriously long period of time which has not happened yet. As has been said by others, many of Loudoun's top players after U12 have left for other ECNL clubs in the past. Now that they have ECNL, they only real threat is some leaving for DA. On the development point, it's defined by individual players and teams getting BETTER, not necessarily winning. If skillsets and athleticism on a given team is relatively low compared to others in the same league, a team can develop and never win, but they may make 0-8 results into 0-1 or 2 results by the end of the year. That wouldn't meet your definition of development because the team wouldn't have won a game, but it is. To gauge that kind of effect over time takes several years, not one or two.

One year of losing is not a big deal, but if every single age group in ECNL has a losing record, it encompasses more than one year of development and retentioin issues. The only semi-legitimate excuse that was given is that Loudoun's top players used to leave for DA and ENCL teams from other clubs, because Loudoun played in CCL so it was harder to retain top players and the hope is that Loudoun will improve its retention rate by marketing ECNL status. i

Will you get off the what the older teams are doing, it doesn't matter. The 06 Loudoun ECNL team beat FCV 06 DA team even after FCV picked over the Loudoun roster. Not every strong player in Loudoun left for FCV ECNL either. Many went to McLean over the years. So Loudoun kids have been represented on FCV and McLean ECNL rosters for years. With ECNL being an option for Loudoun going forward Loudoun Red will no longer be losing 10 kids a year to FCV and McLean like they did in the past.

If you can't understand due to talent drain to ECNL clubs over the past 4-6 years has had an effect on those Loudoun team then you are purposely being stubborn or you are not very smart or both. Successful current ECNL and DA rosters are littered with former Loudoun players. Going forward, most of those players will simply stay at Loudoun because unlike years before, Loudoun has a true showcase platform league. Frankly, for 05 and above the Loudoun ECNL teams are basically Loudoun black and when looked at that way Loudoun is doing very well fielding essentially B teams.

And, just as a final reminder, Loudoun's 06 ECNL team beat FCV's DA team in WAGs.

In the same tournament Loudoun 06 ECNL lost to two other DA teams which FCV has previously beat. (Loudoun was lucky to be in the semfinal to face undefeated FCV despite their second place finish in their bracket, they were not so lucky in the final against another almost as good DA team). Their 4 and 4 record in ECNL places 06 Loudoun ECNL currently in 5th out of 11 in their ECNL division (the highest of any Loudoun ECNL team).

Standings are not kept for U13 DA but if they were I believe FCVs 5 wins and 1 tie would have them solidly in first in their division.

Loudoun 06 ECNL is alright, FCV 06 DA is better.

Except in head to head Loudoun beat FCV.

[Anonymous]

This is an honest question. Has FCV actually ever beat any Loudoun team at any level?