School residency cheaters investigated

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Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts:

1. All the woman discussed in today's article needs to do is email some proof of DC residency to the Daily Caller, and I'm sure she'll get a very satisfying retraction.

2. I'm betting there are some other residency fraud cheats at DCPS who are getting kind of nervous right now about the rest of the articles in the series!

What could she email to them that's any different than what she provided DCPS? She's obviously using another address and likely has utility bills.

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Anonymous wrote:How can DC possibly confine such blatant by residency cheaters? And, really, so what if it takes Time, energy and effort to prove your residency? It takes all of the other DC citizens time energy and effort to earn the money they are paying in taxes to provide education to all of these non-DC children. Parents who have their kids in the public school system receive an enormous benefit by having their children educated for free. The idea that they might, in the seemingly worst case scenario, need to collect a bit of documentation, and even take a portion of a day off work, seems perfectly reasonable in terms of an investment in fraud protection. Do people really think that everyone else should squander their hard earned money paying taxes toward something that is wholly unnecessary, paying for the schooling of non-DC kids, because if they don't feel like getting their documentation in order and it showing up to register with their kid if necessary. Are people really that entitled?

Are you really this stupid? Is this really what you believe happens, or are you interning at the daily caller for the price of a metro smart card and it's almost happy hour?

Please explain what I stated that is incorrect. I am a DC taxpayer. Do my taxes not go toward the DC public schools? Is it the right of the DC school system to decide to spend my tax dollars educating non-DC students? Is there any reasonable circumstance that would prohibit someone from providing proof of residence after using minimal to moderate diligence? Please, tell me what I said that was incorrect?

A few things. First off, you're no DC taxpayer. And I won't believe you are... unless you prove it. Everything I've found in the fifteen minutes I've spent investigating you indicates you live in Alexandria, VA. Which is not DC. Also, not a big shock, because I can't see someone with as many rage issues as your Twitter feed suggests against the lazy government employees living among them.

I thought the part where you said this was the longest you had ever researched anything to be especially funny. To work this hard on an article and get so many facts so vaguely ill-defined and not all that factual! I wouldn't put it in with your clips.

Parents with children in public school are "not receiving an enormous benefit." They are getting something their taxes pay for. I am entirely against residency fraud. I don't mind the current system at all. And I, unlike you, am a real DC taxpayer, with children who go to a DC school. In DC. In a car. With DC plates.

But you're witch hunting, and not doing a very good job of it. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure you've been trolling these boards for a while now, using that and asking people on Twitter , where you should get your facts. It is all laughable, except for the part where you may have actually screwed with someone else's life because you "think" they are a "criminal."

Um, I'm the poster you're responding to. I am not the author of the article and have nothing to do with her organization. I am a DC resident and taxpayer. I don't want my tax money spent on educating non-DC children. I would prefer that that money go toward improving the education of children who are actually residents here, toward providing better services and other areas to DC residents, or that it remain in my own pocketbook rather then assisting Maryland counties with providing education for their residents. I don't see how assuming that DC should take reasonable efforts to prevent fraud that results in the theft of a lot of taxpayer money is that all controversial. And I don't see why people who get the benefit of having their children educated for free cannot be expected to comply with basic anti-fraud protection efforts. And if you prefer to call it tax payer funded, rather than free, that's true. Let's just say that it is highly, highly subsidized by your fellow taxpayers who are not receiving the enormous benefit of having their children educated by taxpayer dollars. People without children pay taxes, people with grown children pay taxes, people with kids not yet in school pay taxes, and people with kids in independent schools pay taxes. I personally don't want my taxes, or their taxes, used to pay for an obligation that is not mine. We have more than enough issues here in DC that we need to work on.

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Anonymous wrote:How can DC possibly confine such blatant by residency cheaters? And, really, so what if it takes Time, energy and effort to prove your residency? It takes all of the other DC citizens time energy and effort to earn the money they are paying in taxes to provide education to all of these non-DC children. Parents who have their kids in the public school system receive an enormous benefit by having their children educated for free. The idea that they might, in the seemingly worst case scenario, need to collect a bit of documentation, and even take a portion of a day off work, seems perfectly reasonable in terms of an investment in fraud protection. Do people really think that everyone else should squander their hard earned money paying taxes toward something that is wholly unnecessary, paying for the schooling of non-DC kids, because if they don't feel like getting their documentation in order and it showing up to register with their kid if necessary. Are people really that entitled?

I agree. My child got enrolled into Mann Elementary. I was asked to prove my DC residency using a pay stub which provided 2 pieces of information--my DC address and DC taxes being deducted from my check. I printed it off, and e-mailed it to the school administrator, in 1 minute. Consider how much could be saved if there was a 100% residency audit conducted in a similar manner. Those who had exceptions would be duly noted.

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Criminal surveillance should be performed by trained and qualified law enforcement, certainly not vigilante "journalists"

Then the criminals would just cry that the police are 'targeting our communities' and all surveillance would stop. Then what?

sorry -- this woman was doing nothing more than stalking these potential fraudsters. It's not what investigative journalists do. It seems like a lot of effort but it's intellectually lazy. Documenting facts, interviewing people on and off the record, demonstrating a verifiable paper trail - that would qualify as rigor. This is just pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:The DC/VA license plate thing is not full blown proof. I have a neighbor who has owned his DC home for 20+ years and he has some sort of Uber/type business with cars registered in VA. Then I have another neighbor who either rents or lives in his father's home and he has MD plates. There are parents who are taxi drivers who drop their kids off.

Your first neighbor is breaking the law. You don't get VA plates to drive for uber. He has a friend in VA and is cheating for cheaper insurance. To operate uber in VA you keep your DC plate and pay a VA tax for that yellow and black sticker that goes on your rear window.

One cannot have some sort of limo business registered in VA?

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

Are all dc residents this angry and against stopping fraud?

I'm with this woman. I want to know who Watson and Taylor are. Not that hard to find out.

It has nothing to do with fraud. It has to do with the kind of people who stall children, all in the name of their "cause." Perfectly acceptable, one assumes, to have their own children stalked. After all, I'm sure their parents have done "something" wrong, and if not... why would they mind?

These people are being investigated because they're criminals. It really is that simple. How would you propose anyone catches these criminals if basic (legal) investigation methods such as following them home constitute "stalking"? Everyone always cries racism when faced with facts.

Here are the facts I'm facing:

If my AA kid is in a school/classroom that I've worked my ass off to get him into, he is likely to be subject to a "reporter" standing outside his school demanding his address, taking photographs and/or video footage of him outside of his school and posting it online with no legal justification. WITH NO LEGAL PROOF of wrongdoing on the part of this kid or his parents. It's then my obligation and hardship to PROVE that this publication of my kid's photo and the details of my residence, employment, and tax records should not be open for public discussion - after they have been published for open discussion.

If you accept that your society will allow unsubstantiated claims to serve as judgement on any person, than you're accepting that the same can and should be served against you - suffering all the repercussions, no matter how law abiding you are.

I find this abhorrent and baffled that I don't live in a society where others don't feel the same.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if white parents are held to a tougher standard and/or if the residency rules are enforced in the same way.

[Anonymous]

After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

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Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

"Isn't a priority"

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

Are all dc residents this angry and against stopping fraud?

I'm with this woman. I want to know who Watson and Taylor are. Not that hard to find out.

It has nothing to do with fraud. It has to do with the kind of people who stall children, all in the name of their "cause." Perfectly acceptable, one assumes, to have their own children stalked. After all, I'm sure their parents have done "something" wrong, and if not... why would they mind?

These people are being investigated because they're criminals. It really is that simple. How would you propose anyone catches these criminals if basic (legal) investigation methods such as following them home constitute "stalking"? Everyone always cries racism when faced with facts.

Here are the facts I'm facing:

If my AA kid is in a school/classroom that I've worked my ass off to get him into, he is likely to be subject to a "reporter" standing outside his school demanding his address, taking photographs and/or video footage of him outside of his school and posting it online with no legal justification. WITH NO LEGAL PROOF of wrongdoing on the part of this kid or his parents. It's then my obligation and hardship to PROVE that this publication of my kid's photo and the details of my residence, employment, and tax records should not be open for public discussion - after they have been published for open discussion.

If you accept that your society will allow unsubstantiated claims to serve as judgement on any person, than you're accepting that the same can and should be served against you - suffering all the repercussions, no matter how law abiding you are.

I find this abhorrent and baffled that I don't live in a society where others don't feel the same.

If you don't drive your kid to school every day in a car with MD or VA plates, then you and your kid should have no problem. If you are driving an out of state car, what's your excuse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

There are non blacks that fit into #1. In fact, prob more white than black. I am black and I am all about tougher residency requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

First, well played.

Second, I'm dutch and white and in favor of residency requirements but not in favor of stalking of children.

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Anonymous wrote:How can DC possibly confine such blatant by residency cheaters? And, really, so what if it takes Time, energy and effort to prove your residency? It takes all of the other DC citizens time energy and effort to earn the money they are paying in taxes to provide education to all of these non-DC children. Parents who have their kids in the public school system receive an enormous benefit by having their children educated for free. The idea that they might, in the seemingly worst case scenario, need to collect a bit of documentation, and even take a portion of a day off work, seems perfectly reasonable in terms of an investment in fraud protection. Do people really think that everyone else should squander their hard earned money paying taxes toward something that is wholly unnecessary, paying for the schooling of non-DC kids, because if they don't feel like getting their documentation in order and it showing up to register with their kid if necessary. Are people really that entitled?

Are you really this stupid? Is this really what you believe happens, or are you interning at the daily caller for the price of a metro smart card and it's almost happy hour?

Please explain what I stated that is incorrect. I am a DC taxpayer. Do my taxes not go toward the DC public schools? Is it the right of the DC school system to decide to spend my tax dollars educating non-DC students? Is there any reasonable circumstance that would prohibit someone from providing proof of residence after using minimal to moderate diligence? Please, tell me what I said that was incorrect?

A few things. First off, you're no DC taxpayer. And I won't believe you are... unless you prove it. Everything I've found in the fifteen minutes I've spent investigating you indicates you live in Alexandria, VA. Which is not DC. Also, not a big shock, because I can't see someone with as many rage issues as your Twitter feed suggests against the lazy government employees living among them.

I thought the part where you said this was the longest you had ever researched anything to be especially funny. To work this hard on an article and get so many facts so vaguely ill-defined and not all that factual! I wouldn't put it in with your clips.

Parents with children in public school are "not receiving an enormous benefit." They are getting something their taxes pay for. I am entirely against residency fraud. I don't mind the current system at all. And I, unlike you, am a real DC taxpayer, with children who go to a DC school. In DC. In a car. With DC plates.

But you're witch hunting, and not doing a very good job of it. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure you've been trolling these boards for a while now, using that and asking people on Twitter , where you should get your facts. It is all laughable, except for the part where you may have actually screwed with someone else's life because you "think" they are a "criminal."

Um, I'm the poster you're responding to. I am not the author of the article and have nothing to do with her organization. I am a DC resident and taxpayer. I don't want my tax money spent on educating non-DC children. I would prefer that that money go toward improving the education of children who are actually residents here, toward providing better services and other areas to DC residents, or that it remain in my own pocketbook rather then assisting Maryland counties with providing education for their residents. I don't see how assuming that DC should take reasonable efforts to prevent fraud that results in the theft of a lot of taxpayer money is that all controversial. And I don't see why people who get the benefit of having their children educated for free cannot be expected to comply with basic anti-fraud protection efforts. And if you prefer to call it tax payer funded, rather than free, that's true. Let's just say that it is highly, highly subsidized by your fellow taxpayers who are not receiving the enormous benefit of having their children educated by taxpayer dollars. People without children pay taxes, people with grown children pay taxes, people with kids not yet in school pay taxes, and people with kids in independent schools pay taxes. I personally don't want my taxes, or their taxes, used to pay for an obligation that is not mine. We have more than enough issues here in DC that we need to work on.

So you're a DC resident with no kids, and you want a pat on the back for paying your taxes. Why are you in this thread at all?

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Not hard to show where you live. Come to my house. I'll show you my messy house, all my clothes, paperwork, ask the neighbors if I live here and so on.
Never seen people put up such a fuss and fight if they are not cheating.

This is how I feel. It's not hard to prove your residency. So report if you know of someone, and they can put to rest any confusion or questions. It shouldn't be a big deal to prove.

Actually, it is hard to prove residency. When I met my husband, he owned the house we lived in and had all the utilities in his name. Though we filed joint taxes as a married couple and my drivers license and registration carried my name and address, it was insufficient for registering my child. Very insufficient. We're three years in to public schooling in DC and each year, the schools we've attended have been hard core about seeing the person whose claiming guardianship and residency IN PERSON when they register a child.

If it's fair to resort to stereotypes - and it seems the "articles" and thousands of DCUM posts on the subject make stereotypes very fair - then I have to believe that the people with means to skirt this system are more likely well-off white people taking advantage of highly-regarded charter schools and DCPS west of the park. Yet these "reporters" couldn't be bothered with JKLM or Creative Minds, where there are certainly affluent white people "scamming our schools." Not to mention principals and parent teacher organizations looking the other way. These people are just not being followed home or having their government documentation researched and posted online.

Show of hands/posts, how many here are irked by their wait list number for Eagle Academy or Ludlow-Taylor?

I mean, if you don't see this sham excuse for journalism as a bigger problem in the interest of our kids, then I'm just frankly worried for our kids. I have resided and paid taxes in the District of Columbia for close to 30 years. But thinking about some nutcase vigilante targeting my kid for "investigation" because he's a brown kid getting out of the car of my MD-residing SIL who sometimes helps with childcare makes my blood boil.

And you go, Oh! If you're following the law you have nothing to worry about. Just answer the questions imposed on you and you're good to go! But the blatant racial bias expressed here and in the articles means I have a hell of a lot to worry about. Some fucking kook stalking kids outside of their school, taking photographs and posting them online? How is it that THAT fact doesn't disturb people?

I play the cards dealt. The racist vigilante stalking my kids outside their school dealt first.

Again - if there's anyone who can post pictures of these lowlifes that I can share with my kid's school, I'll be most grateful. We're longtime DC residents and taxpayers, but I'll be damned if I will accept this kind of harassment. It is far more egregious to me than people trying to do what's best for their kids - all the nonsense about "concerned and involved parents" is obviously a bucket of donkey shit.

Are all dc residents this angry and against stopping fraud?

I'm with this woman. I want to know who Watson and Taylor are. Not that hard to find out.

It has nothing to do with fraud. It has to do with the kind of people who stall children, all in the name of their "cause." Perfectly acceptable, one assumes, to have their own children stalked. After all, I'm sure their parents have done "something" wrong, and if not... why would they mind?

These people are being investigated because they're criminals. It really is that simple. How would you propose anyone catches these criminals if basic (legal) investigation methods such as following them home constitute "stalking"? Everyone always cries racism when faced with facts.

Here are the facts I'm facing:

If my AA kid is in a school/classroom that I've worked my ass off to get him into, he is likely to be subject to a "reporter" standing outside his school demanding his address, taking photographs and/or video footage of him outside of his school and posting it online with no legal justification. WITH NO LEGAL PROOF of wrongdoing on the part of this kid or his parents. It's then my obligation and hardship to PROVE that this publication of my kid's photo and the details of my residence, employment, and tax records should not be open for public discussion - after they have been published for open discussion.

If you accept that your society will allow unsubstantiated claims to serve as judgement on any person, than you're accepting that the same can and should be served against you - suffering all the repercussions, no matter how law abiding you are.

I find this abhorrent and baffled that I don't live in a society where others don't feel the same.

Your starting premise is wrong. The reporter standing outside the school is not looking for AA kids. He or she is looking at the license plates. So your child would draw zero unwanted attention if your car has DC plates or if you walked to school. If by any chance your child was dropped off multiple days in a car with MD tags, it sounds like they might have followed it. If it dropped your child at a DC address, boom, nothing to see here. If the driver and the kid gets out at a house in MD, then they start running the plate and chasing down the tax information. Then they might call you and say, hey, we see your child goes to XYZ charter but we can't find any record of you living in DC for the past 19 years, do you have an explanation for that?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

There are non blacks that fit into #1. In fact, prob more white than black. I am black and I am all about tougher residency requirements.

Maybe the AA from this popville post could weigh in? http://www.popville.com/2016/06/well-this-is-depressing/