Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

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Anonymous wrote:We have someone in our workplace who was a SAHM for 10 years before joining us.

She answers the phones and makes copies. She's been with us for two years and I don't really see her career going any further unless she makes a real effort to catch up with technology. She can barely use Outlook. Would have being in the workforce for the past decade made her smarter? Maybe not, but at least she'd be more experienced.

In short, if you stay at home for a long time, you're going to have to go out of your way to get current. And that will take more than a week or two. Make sure you bake that into your plans.

Wow, you're a real charmer, aren't you? I feel sorry for the woman you described, but only because she has to work around people like you. I'm sure you drip with condescension every time you deign to speak to her.

Hah! The "bake" was really not meant as a jab at SAHMs. I love to bake. How about "make sure you include that in your plans".

I probably do drip with condescension, but it's only because she can't remember from week to week that Excel has tabs and that different tabs can have different stuff in them.

Bitch, I can out-Excel you any day. LOL.

Seriously - you're talking about MS Office products as if they are difficult to use?!

Huh? I agree that Excel isn't difficult to use at all, which is why this admin annoys me with her complete inability to use it for the simplest things. Where did your Excel skill vs mine come into it?

And now you're upset and calling me a bitch... why?

Very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Truth - Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you. The way you allocate your time reflects your priorities.

You spend the most time on the things that matter most to you.

What does your husband's allocate?

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Anonymous wrote:We have someone in our workplace who was a SAHM for 10 years before joining us.

She answers the phones and makes copies. She's been with us for two years and I don't really see her career going any further unless she makes a real effort to catch up with technology. She can barely use Outlook. Would have being in the workforce for the past decade made her smarter? Maybe not, but at least she'd be more experienced.

In short, if you stay at home for a long time, you're going to have to go out of your way to get current. And that will take more than a week or two. Make sure you bake that into your plans.

Wow, you're a real charmer, aren't you? I feel sorry for the woman you described, but only because she has to work around people like you. I'm sure you drip with condescension every time you deign to speak to her.

Hah! The "bake" was really not meant as a jab at SAHMs. I love to bake. How about "make sure you include that in your plans".

I probably do drip with condescension, but it's only because she can't remember from week to week that Excel has tabs and that different tabs can have different stuff in them.

Bitch, I can out-Excel you any day. LOL.

Seriously - you're talking about MS Office products as if they are difficult to use?!

Huh? I agree that Excel isn't difficult to use at all, which is why this admin annoys me with her complete inability to use it for the simplest things. Where did your Excel skill vs mine come into it?

And now you're upset and calling me a bitch... why?

Very odd.

Yup. Umm - SAHM, you fail all over.

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Anonymous wrote:We have someone in our workplace who was a SAHM for 10 years before joining us.

She answers the phones and makes copies. She's been with us for two years and I don't really see her career going any further unless she makes a real effort to catch up with technology. She can barely use Outlook. Would have being in the workforce for the past decade made her smarter? Maybe not, but at least she'd be more experienced.

In short, if you stay at home for a long time, you're going to have to go out of your way to get current. And that will take more than a week or two. Make sure you bake that into your plans.

Wow, you're a real charmer, aren't you? I feel sorry for the woman you described, but only because she has to work around people like you. I'm sure you drip with condescension every time you deign to speak to her.

Hah! The "bake" was really not meant as a jab at SAHMs. I love to bake. How about "make sure you include that in your plans".

I probably do drip with condescension, but it's only because she can't remember from week to week that Excel has tabs and that different tabs can have different stuff in them.

Bitch, I can out-Excel you any day. LOL.

Seriously - you're talking about MS Office products as if they are difficult to use?!

Huh? I agree that Excel isn't difficult to use at all, which is why this admin annoys me with her complete inability to use it for the simplest things. Where did your Excel skill vs mine come into it?

And now you're upset and calling me a bitch... why?

Very odd.

Ha ha - my bad! ILs are pouring stiff drinks and I just skimmed. Thought you were making a generic statement that SAHMs didn't know about excel tabs. You've never heard the "bitch" reference before. Very odd.

Anyway, I'll refrain from further posting until I'm sober.

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Anonymous wrote:We have someone in our workplace who was a SAHM for 10 years before joining us.

She answers the phones and makes copies. She's been with us for two years and I don't really see her career going any further unless she makes a real effort to catch up with technology. She can barely use Outlook. Would have being in the workforce for the past decade made her smarter? Maybe not, but at least she'd be more experienced.

In short, if you stay at home for a long time, you're going to have to go out of your way to get current. And that will take more than a week or two. Make sure you bake that into your plans.

Wow, you're a real charmer, aren't you? I feel sorry for the woman you described, but only because she has to work around people like you. I'm sure you drip with condescension every time you deign to speak to her.

Hah! The "bake" was really not meant as a jab at SAHMs. I love to bake. How about "make sure you include that in your plans".

I probably do drip with condescension, but it's only because she can't remember from week to week that Excel has tabs and that different tabs can have different stuff in them.

Bitch, I can out-Excel you any day. LOL.

Seriously - you're talking about MS Office products as if they are difficult to use?!

Huh? I agree that Excel isn't difficult to use at all, which is why this admin annoys me with her complete inability to use it for the simplest things. Where did your Excel skill vs mine come into it?

And now you're upset and calling me a bitch... why?

Very odd.

Not the PP, but I do believe she was kidding.

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Anonymous wrote:We have someone in our workplace who was a SAHM for 10 years before joining us.

She answers the phones and makes copies. She's been with us for two years and I don't really see her career going any further unless she makes a real effort to catch up with technology. She can barely use Outlook. Would have being in the workforce for the past decade made her smarter? Maybe not, but at least she'd be more experienced.

In short, if you stay at home for a long time, you're going to have to go out of your way to get current. And that will take more than a week or two. Make sure you bake that into your plans.

Wow, you're a real charmer, aren't you? I feel sorry for the woman you described, but only because she has to work around people like you. I'm sure you drip with condescension every time you deign to speak to her.

Hah! The "bake" was really not meant as a jab at SAHMs. I love to bake. How about "make sure you include that in your plans".

I probably do drip with condescension, but it's only because she can't remember from week to week that Excel has tabs and that different tabs can have different stuff in them.

Bitch, I can out-Excel you any day. LOL.

Seriously - you're talking about MS Office products as if they are difficult to use?!

Huh? I agree that Excel isn't difficult to use at all, which is why this admin annoys me with her complete inability to use it for the simplest things. Where did your Excel skill vs mine come into it?

And now you're upset and calling me a bitch... why?

Very odd.

Ha ha - my bad! ILs are pouring stiff drinks and I just skimmed. Thought you were making a generic statement that SAHMs didn't know about excel tabs. You've never heard the "bitch" reference before. Very odd.

Anyway, I'll refrain from further posting until I'm sober.

No words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Truth - Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you. The way you allocate your time reflects your priorities.

You spend the most time on the things that matter most to you.

What does your husband's allocate?

This.

I really hope Ms. "Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you" answers this, because it'll be a pretty piece of insight into the SAHM-uber-alles mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:The saddest part about this thread is that some of the SAHMs who are so intent on making WOHM feel bad about themselves have daughters of their own, and will teach these daughters that they cannot both have a fulfilling career and be a good mom. Such a false choice. And when some of these daughters do try to maintain careers they've worked their entire lives for and also have children, these women will do their best make them feel awful about it.

See, I've had exactly the opposite thought. When the daughters of all gheae these WOHMs grow up, they're not even going to consider SAH with their kids because their mothers will have ingrained in them, from Day 1, that successful women simply don't stay home with their kids. Instead, they pay other women (lesser beings, in their books), to do the actual childcare. And that is so sad, that these women will never have the support of their own mothers to raise their kids the way they choose, if that way includes staying home with them.

As a SAHM, I'm planning on supporting my daughter in any way I can, whether she chooses to be a WOHM or a SAHM, or any combination of the two. But I'll absolutely be teaching (and showing) her the value and importance of having a SAHP.

Do you actually know any WOHMs really well? You talk about them as if they are a different species that you haven't studied well. Most of the ones I know don't sit around judging other women for their choices. And they certainly don't fit this fantasy nit-SAHM picture you paint. All I want for my daughter is for her to know that she has choices and one is to SAH and one is to WOH. And I want her to be happy with her choice.

Agree, but I hope that by the time she is planning on having kids, that there will be enough change in govt policy and the workplace so that she won't have to make a hard choice. I am grateful that I work in an environment where I received at tremendous amount of time off, paid, and have a flexible schedule (university professor), so that I have been able to have children AND pursue a fulfilling career. Yes, my husband and I need a nanny--not just me, as he needs childcare so that he can go to work, too--and she is wonderful. But, she does not have a PhD, loves working as a nanny, and is well compensated for her work. We don't consider her a lesser being, and we are so thankful to have had her in our lives for several years now. I think that many professional women feel the way I do. I do wonder sometimes if women who choose to SAH have "given up" without pursuing alternative options, and I wish that they would have petitioned their own businesses before quitting for better options for working families, but I don't look down on the choices they've made.

When it comes to SAHPs, you seem to be missing the point. Parents choose to stay home with their kids because this is how they want to raise them - not because they were somehow out of options. Having a SAHP is the option of choice in families that choose to have one.

No, I am not missing the point. You OTOH seem to be ignoring a huge block of well-educated professional women in cities like DC who had to make a hard choice between a career they loved but that required hours or travel incompatible with having a balanced family life once they had children. There are some women out there who gave up their careers because they wanted to SAH, but for many women who went to top colleges, graduate programs, and did well in their early careers, they make the choice with some reluctance. The choice for many is not so starkly black and white as you paint it.

Well, let's see. As one of those well-educated (yes, top college and grad school) women who did very well in my career, I happily chose to SAH once my husband and I had children. It was a choice we were fortunate to have and I am grateful every single day to have this time with our kids. Interestingly, every SAHM I know comes from a similar background (well-educated, prior-professional) and also easily made the choice to stay home - so rather than "ignoring a huge block" of women like myself, I'm actually speaking as one of these women, and I'm surrounded by them every day. My neighborhood and children's schools are full of highly educated SAHMs. At some point, many of us will return to work, but for this time in our children's lives, the choice was indeed simple enough: did we want to continue on the fast-track with our careers and rarely see our children? Or "lean out" in order to "lean in" to our families? While I know some women do find this a difficult decision to make, and often choose to continue working, the SAHMs I know aren't staying home as some sort of "consolation prize" or "last resort." It's a very fortunate situation we find ourselves in and we're absolutely making the most of it.

It seems you equate being highly educated and having a high-level career to be incompatible with enthusiastically choosing to SAH with one's children. Among the women I know, this just isn't the case.

I WOH and I would never characterize my situation as "rarely seeing my children." That's the kind of shit that SAHPs say that just pisses me off. I have never once come on and here and throw shit at SAHPs. I believe everyone should do what works for them. And I certainly don't take pot shots buried in a post.

How about you should do what works best for your kid?

"Them" meaning the entire family. What a piece of crap you are.

Because your ultimate priority should be optimizing your child's development?

Somehow they managed to develop just fine, and my daughter was recently placed in advanced classes in school. Does that work for you? I know it pains you to admit it, but kids of working parents actually thrive and develop just like kids with stay at home parents do. Sorry to break that to you. You don't "win" parenting just because you stayed home. Kids with parents who love them win. Period.

No one "wins" at parenting just because of their primary location, be it away at the office, or at the family home.

It's just a bit harder to love your kid from behind your downtown office desk five full days a week. After all, loving your kid takes a lot more than that warm and fuzzy feeling you may have, as you glance at your family photo on the wall.

I'll give you a hint. It's not hard at all to love your kid from anywhere. If your kid has to be in front of you to love him/her, the problem is you. How sad for both you and your children. You are beyond nasty, so I can't fathom you referring to anything as a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'm sure you read about that somewhere, but you certainly don't know what it is.

I'll share a fact. Your kid needs to FEEL loved. GL with that if we aren't much there.

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This thread is hilarious. If someone had told me a week ago that there are actually a substantial number of SAHMs who think I love my kid less than they do because I work full time, I would have called her insane and told her that there's no way so many people are that judgmental and sanctimonious. I guess you really do learn something new every day!

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Anonymous wrote:Truth - Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you. The way you allocate your time reflects your priorities.

You spend the most time on the things that matter most to you.

What does your husband's allocate?

This.

I really hope Ms. "Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you" answers this, because it'll be a pretty piece of insight into the SAHM-uber-alles mentality.

First, I'm not a SAHM. I went back to work part-time when my youngest started kindergarten and full time when he started high school. I'm still home by 4pm every day at the very latest.

Second, no matter how much you may want it to be true, a father is never going to be the same as a mother. My DH didn't carry our child in his body for nine months. His body was not designed to provide nourishment to a baby. There is nothing natural about pumping milk from your body and giving it to your baby from a plastic nipple. We don't even take puppies away from their mothers until they are weaned.

I'm not anti working mom. I work. I do find it unbelievable that a "mother" would leave an infant or young child for 8+ hours a day. I would have sold our home and everything in it and moved to an apartment in a lower cost of living area before I would have left an infant in daycare or with a nanny.

My DH has a flexible, well paying job. I know we are fortunate. He was able to spend a ton of time with our kids. How primary job, however was to provide for his family financially. His schedule would reflect that because he knew our children were being cared for by someone who loved them more than anything in the world, he could relax and do his job. Once they were older and in school, that of course changed.

There are seasons to life. Moms and babies belong together. Most of the world has figured that out.

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I'll give you a hint. It's not hard at all to love your kid from anywhere. If your kid has to be in front of you to love him/her, the problem is you. How sad for both you and your children. You are beyond nasty, so I can't fathom you referring to anything as a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'm sure you read about that somewhere, but you certainly don't know what it is.

I'll share a fact. Your kid needs to FEEL loved. GL with that if we aren't much there.

But love isn't this warm and fuzzy feeling. Love isn't about FEELING. Isn't that what you keep spewing? You seriously think that kids don't feel loved because their parents work?? You are a true piece of shit. This is why there is a "war" between SAHMs and WOHMs. Because of you. But I use the word "mom" with you very, very loosely. I don't care what crap you post after this, I won't respond because, while it may have taken me a while, I finally realize I'm arguing with someone who is mentally ill. Please get help.

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Anonymous wrote:Truth - Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you. The way you allocate your time reflects your priorities.

You spend the most time on the things that matter most to you.

What does your husband's allocate?

This.

I really hope Ms. "Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you" answers this, because it'll be a pretty piece of insight into the SAHM-uber-alles mentality.

First, I'm not a SAHM. I went back to work part-time when my youngest started kindergarten and full time when he started high school. I'm still home by 4pm every day at the very latest.

Second, no matter how much you may want it to be true, a father is never going to be the same as a mother. My DH didn't carry our child in his body for nine months. His body was not designed to provide nourishment to a baby. There is nothing natural about pumping milk from your body and giving it to your baby from a plastic nipple. We don't even take puppies away from their mothers until they are weaned.

I'm not anti working mom. I work. I do find it unbelievable that a "mother" would leave an infant or young child for 8+ hours a day. I would have sold our home and everything in it and moved to an apartment in a lower cost of living area before I would have left an infant in daycare or with a nanny.

My DH has a flexible, well paying job. I know we are fortunate. He was able to spend a ton of time with our kids. How primary job, however was to provide for his family financially. His schedule would reflect that because he knew our children were being cared for by someone who loved them more than anything in the world, he could relax and do his job. Once they were older and in school, that of course changed.

There are seasons to life. Moms and babies belong together. Most of the world has figured that out.

So you are in favor of paid maternity leave for a year?

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Anonymous wrote:Truth - Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you. The way you allocate your time reflects your priorities.

You spend the most time on the things that matter most to you.

What does your husband's allocate?

This.

I really hope Ms. "Show me your day planner and I'll tell you what is most important to you" answers this, because it'll be a pretty piece of insight into the SAHM-uber-alles mentality.

First, I'm not a SAHM. I went back to work part-time when my youngest started kindergarten and full time when he started high school. I'm still home by 4pm every day at the very latest.

Second, no matter how much you may want it to be true, a father is never going to be the same as a mother. My DH didn't carry our child in his body for nine months. His body was not designed to provide nourishment to a baby. There is nothing natural about pumping milk from your body and giving it to your baby from a plastic nipple. We don't even take puppies away from their mothers until they are weaned.

I'm not anti working mom. I work. I do find it unbelievable that a "mother" would leave an infant or young child for 8+ hours a day. I would have sold our home and everything in it and moved to an apartment in a lower cost of living area before I would have left an infant in daycare or with a nanny.

My DH has a flexible, well paying job. I know we are fortunate. He was able to spend a ton of time with our kids. How primary job, however was to provide for his family financially. His schedule would reflect that because he knew our children were being cared for by someone who loved them more than anything in the world, he could relax and do his job. Once they were older and in school, that of course changed.

There are seasons to life. Moms and babies belong together. Most of the world has figured that out.

LOL. I knew there was a "magic uterus" theory behind your world view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. If someone had told me a week ago that there are actually a substantial number of SAHMs who think I love my kid less than they do because I work full time, I would have called her insane and told her that there's no way so many people are that judgmental and sanctimonious. I guess you really do learn something new every day!

I don't question if you love your kid.

The problem is:
How does your kid FEEL loved?
"My mommy can buy me more toys"?

Most SMART kids quickly see through that.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. If someone had told me a week ago that there are actually a substantial number of SAHMs who think I love my kid less than they do because I work full time, I would have called her insane and told her that there's no way so many people are that judgmental and sanctimonious. I guess you really do learn something new every day!

And if you think the most aggressive PPs on this thread represent the opinions of e substantial number of either SAHM or WOHMS, either you aren't very intelligent or you need a little DCUM break.