Scott Galloway how to save teenage boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

Most clubs are open to all but dominated by a singular gender. There are many and it’s fine, relax.

It's all good! Nothing to see here. Make up your mind. Are boys "crumbling" or not? When you see a problem don't you want to fix it? Especially with children?

Everybody has issues … even if they have opportunity. It’s okay to want to do better for all people. Scott Galloway has decided to work on issues with boys.

You work on whatever issue sings to you,

It’s not a zero sum game.

Girls have issues with social media, so do boys but they are different issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

The White House, Congress, every tech company, every major business...just look around.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

The White House, Congress, every tech company, every major business...just look around.

Those aren't boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on

What if the boys aren't into sports?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on

What if the boys aren't into sports?

Then there are spaces that girls are still excluded through bullying/relational aggression: robotics clubs, most gyms, garages and automotive clubs. I mean seriously, just come out from under your rock and take a look around.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

Most clubs are open to all but dominated by a singular gender. There are many and it’s fine, relax.

It's all good! Nothing to see here. Make up your mind. Are boys "crumbling" or not? When you see a problem don't you want to fix it? Especially with children?

Everybody has issues … even if they have opportunity. It’s okay to want to do better for all people. Scott Galloway has decided to work on issues with boys.

You work on whatever issue sings to you,

It’s not a zero sum game.

Girls have issues with social media, so do boys but they are different issues.

That's fine, but blaming women and wanting to take away things meant to help girls is not.

[Anonymous]

We dont' need to save boys

We need parents to do their dam jobs.

Don't have kids if you don't want to teach them
About Birth Control
About empathy
About compassion
Teach them to read cognitively and how to do simple math for god's sake MAGA can not even do simple two plus two.
Teach them not to beat their wives
Teach them religion is a scam.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

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There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on

What if the boys aren't into sports?

What are they into?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Colleges limit the number of men’s athletic teams to accommodate more women’s teams because of Title IX.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Colleges limit the number of men’s athletic teams to accommodate more women’s teams because of Title IX.

Do you have a citation for that? And does that somehow translate to youth sports leagues?

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Anonymous wrote:We dont' need to save boys

We need parents to do their dam jobs.

Don't have kids if you don't want to teach them
About Birth Control
About empathy
About compassion
Teach them to read cognitively and how to do simple math for god's sake MAGA can not even do simple two plus two.
Teach them not to beat their wives
Teach them religion is a scam.

Should they also teach them not to paint with a broad brush, or spew toxic tropes?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on

What if the boys aren't into sports?

Then there are spaces that girls are still excluded through bullying/relational aggression: robotics clubs, most gyms, garages and automotive clubs. I mean seriously, just come out from under your rock and take a look around.

You haven't been to a gym in a while.

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Do you have a citation for that? And does that somehow translate to youth sports leagues?

https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/jetlaw/vol12/iss1/6/

https://repository.law.uic.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1391&context=lawreview

https://reason.com/2022/06/23/title-ix-didnt-make-college-sports-equal-it-made-them-contentious/