Scott Galloway how to save teenage boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

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There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

I agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

I agree with you.

No. Scott Galloway is calling on men to help with this issue.

We can fix 2 or more issues at one time.

Walking for breast cancer research doesn’t mean we don’t care about MS nor do I expect them to walk for all illnesses.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

No. Men coach flootball, lead golf clubs, lead fishing clubs, lead 4H, etc.

I see men leading things why don’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

Most clubs are open to all but dominated by a singular gender. There are many and it’s fine, relax.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

Most clubs are open to all but dominated by a singular gender. There are many and it’s fine, relax.

It's all good! Nothing to see here. Make up your mind. Are boys "crumbling" or not? When you see a problem don't you want to fix it? Especially with children?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

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There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

NP
There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore.

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all.

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

Molestation? Or is that only religion, cubs, etc...