So what happens when the Federal government can’t issue Nov Food Stamps?

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Everyone ignore the dumb MAGA-they have no critical thinking skills.

Please provide some evidence that suggestions people that can afford to overeat to the tune of being obese somehow cannot afford anything heathy. It’s been listed all the of the heathy options that are available at local Walmart that are very cheap. People would rather spend their money on crap. That’s the truth

Fine. What solutions have the GOP put forward?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are in charge of all branches of government right now. Can't they figure out a way to have SNAP only provide poorer people with nutritious food?

Or are you saying Republicans are too stupid to do that? Or just don't care?

No Republicans just don't care

The stupid MAGAs on this thread miss that point.

Gop don't care about overeating. They don't want to fund ANY food. They don't care if kids go hungry. They co.fort themselves with the idea thst they were overweight and can live of their own body fat for a while.

There are so many things Rs could do to alleviate suffering during this shutdown

But they won't
They are using the U.S. people suffering as blackmail over the Democrats.

Because the Republicans just don't care

I.e. blocking bills that would allow all federal workers to be paid during the shutdown instead of just ICE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Are you an MD? Because yes, obese people can be both obese and malnourished. Even our produce is much less nutritious than it used to be. Thanks factory farming.

Also - special recognition to big business, who polluted the crap out of our soils and oceans so our kids can’t even safely eat rice and fish multiple days per week anymore.

I suggest that when you have no idea what you’re talking about, that you shut up.

Sure, but you can’t get to be obese without consuming too many calories. Our processed foods are all fortified. If you are consuming too many calories, you aren’t at risk for starvation. SNAP is supposed to be to provide nutritional foods so people can have better health. But all it’s doing is giving people at risk for being obese even more junk food that they already don’t need. It isn’t preventing starvation or improving nutrition

the ulta processed foods in and of themselves are the problem

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

[Anonymous]

Ignore the poster who does not understand obesity, food desserts, diabetes, or poverty in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the poster who does not understand obesity, food desserts, diabetes, or poverty in America.

I’m sorry you are so ill informed and have bought the line that poor people just can’t afford heathy food and they have no choice but to be overweight and eat processed stuff. Please look up some research on why food deserts exist and what happens when more affordable fresh foods are added into these areas (spoiler: it doesn’t change much)

https://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132076786/the-root-the-myth-of-the-food-desert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

Yep. I have been poor as well and let me tell you I was not spending my food budget on things like soda, snacks, and dessert. A large canister of oatmeal from Aldi is now about 5, back in the day it was closer to two. You can get a lot of breakfasts out of one container, dress up the oats different ways, sweet, savory etc. much cheaper than buying some crappy sugar laden cereal.

At that time I lived near a shoppers and I would hunt for those 10 for 10 deals to stock up on various things like pastas sauce and then dress up the sauce with ground beef or sausage depending on what was on sale.

And yep, frozen veggies and fruits are pretty cheap.

But no one wants to hear all that. Someone is about to pipe up like “well what about people with no arms to stir the pot of sauce”

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the poster who does not understand obesity, food desserts, diabetes, or poverty in America.

I’m sorry you are so ill informed and have bought the line that poor people just can’t afford heathy food and they have no choice but to be overweight and eat processed stuff. Please look up some research on why food deserts exist and what happens when more affordable fresh foods are added into these areas (spoiler: it doesn’t change much)

https://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132076786/the-root-the-myth-of-the-food-desert

Why do you honestly believe that these people are so different from you and so beneath you? They are acting in predictable and expected ways based on their circumstances. And you would act exactly the same way in the same circumstances. If we want different outcomes for these folks, we need to change their circumstances. No amount of shame or punishment or whatever other "solutions" conservatives want to offer are going to make a difference if you don't change the circumstances.

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Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

Sounds like excuses.

[Anonymous]

Personal responsibility and willpower are really hard. /sarcasm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Everyone ignore the dumb MAGA-they have no critical thinking skills.

Please provide some evidence that suggestions people that can afford to overeat to the tune of being obese somehow cannot afford anything heathy. It’s been listed all the of the heathy options that are available at local Walmart that are very cheap. People would rather spend their money on crap. That’s the truth

What does this have to do with SNAP?

Because something like 1 in 4 Americans are on it, the program has been expanded to include fast food (due to lobbying), and is about to stop because of the shutdown.

Since there is nothing any of us can do about the shutdown, people are talking about ways in which SNAP can be improved and ways people can stretch their food budget. Cooking at home is one way to do that and has an added bonus of being more healthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some facts that are hard to get around when you don’t have much money:

1). Fresh food doesn’t last as long as processed foods. A fruit bowl on the table would be great, but when that fruit goes bad before you can eat it, or sometimes you end up with fruit that just isn’t tasty to start (I had a hell of a time getting good peaches this summer) you turn to buying the cheap bag of family-size Cheetos that will last forever.

2). A parent with a very limited income often turns to food as treats for their kids. They can’t afford to buy them a new bike, they can’t afford the amusement park, but the half gallon of ice cream on sale they can do. Or they can manage a trip to McDonalds to celebrate a birthday.

There’s just so many factors that go into food choices.

So slice and freeze what you don’t use of the fruit and repurpose for something else. Or cook/bake something using the fruit. Homemade applesauce is pretty easy for example.

So what is the Republican Party doing to advance these preferred outcomes?