USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

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When people say one school is so much better than another school “academically”… what does that even mean? Especially at this level of universities? Genuine question.

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Anonymous wrote:When people say one school is so much better than another school “academically”… what does that even mean? Especially at this level of universities? Genuine question.

It means they have popular notions about a college and just assume their evidence (US NEWS ranking) to be true.

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Anonymous wrote:When people say one school is so much better than another school “academically”… what does that even mean? Especially at this level of universities? Genuine question.

It means they have popular notions about a college and just assume their evidence (US NEWS ranking) to be true.

source is their ass

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

I guess I consider different criteria than USNWR.
I guess I would put princeton a bit ahead of yale but certainly behind HMS and probably Caltech as well.
I put Princeton and yale in the same category as columbia... maybe even penn and duke

But like…why. Princeton is practically a leader in every field of study it offers and is an undergraduate based institution.

Princeton has a PA considerably higher than Duke. Its engineering school is the best in the Ivy League along with Cornell.

I will never understand the love affair with Duke. It’s supposedly a top ten school but it has very few disciplines ranked as highly as its undergraduate rating.

Mystifying to me as well.

Even in the south, Vanderbilt is often seen as the preeminent school in the region.

And I'd certainly put Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Penn, and Berkeley ahead of Duke. Because all of those schools are genuinely very good in numerous fields. Whereas Duke has ???? Basketball?

It depends on how you look at it. Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. But the kids choose to go to Duke. So which school should be called "better"?

Dubious assertion that Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. They’re on par.

With that said, the notion that the rankings reflect some sort of pure academic ranking is reductionist. Chicago crushes Hopkins academically, but last year’s ranking doesn’t reflect that, suggesting that rankings reflect factors other than pure academics alone. To that point, the fact that “the kids choose to go to Duke” must represent other factors, too.

To support your point, which is “better” can be reflected somewhat in pure academic rankings but also somewhat in where students choose to attend.

for undergrad what is duke better at? Hopkins engineering is better along with bio, chem, physics and multiple humanities programs and international relations. For duke, maybe economics and that’s it. Same argument for hopkins engineering vs chicago which doesnt even have engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

I guess I consider different criteria than USNWR.
I guess I would put princeton a bit ahead of yale but certainly behind HMS and probably Caltech as well.
I put Princeton and yale in the same category as columbia... maybe even penn and duke

But like…why. Princeton is practically a leader in every field of study it offers and is an undergraduate based institution.

Princeton has a PA considerably higher than Duke. Its engineering school is the best in the Ivy League along with Cornell.

I will never understand the love affair with Duke. It’s supposedly a top ten school but it has very few disciplines ranked as highly as its undergraduate rating.

Mystifying to me as well.

Even in the south, Vanderbilt is often seen as the preeminent school in the region.

And I'd certainly put Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Penn, and Berkeley ahead of Duke. Because all of those schools are genuinely very good in numerous fields. Whereas Duke has ???? Basketball?

It depends on how you look at it. Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. But the kids choose to go to Duke. So which school should be called "better"?

Dubious assertion that Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. They’re on par.

With that said, the notion that the rankings reflect some sort of pure academic ranking is reductionist. Chicago crushes Hopkins academically, but last year’s ranking doesn’t reflect that, suggesting that rankings reflect factors other than pure academics alone. To that point, the fact that “the kids choose to go to Duke” must represent other factors, too.

To support your point, which is “better” can be reflected somewhat in pure academic rankings but also somewhat in where students choose to attend.

for undergrad what is duke better at? Hopkins engineering is better along with bio, chem, physics and multiple humanities programs and international relations. For duke, maybe economics and that’s it. Same argument for hopkins engineering vs chicago which doesnt even have engineering

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Duke also strong in biomed engineering and biochem engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

How is UVA in-state one of the best deals in the country. It’s far more than UC in state or Michigan in-state…especially for engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

it does not in fact have top programs in the sciences or humanities relative to the others in the top 10

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

it does not in fact have top programs in the sciences or humanities relative to the others in the top 10

Is this based off the USNWR departmental rankings? I'm confused on why people are shitting on Duke's supposed lack of "top" departmental programs without data to back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

How is UVA in-state one of the best deals in the country. It’s far more than UC in state or Michigan in-state…especially for engineering.

You don't have to be THE best deal to be ONE of the best deals. I wouldn't count on UCB and UCLA holding onto their prestige forever if they remain test blind.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

it does not in fact have top programs in the sciences or humanities relative to the others in the top 10

Is this based off the USNWR departmental rankings? I'm confused on why people are shitting on Duke's supposed lack of "top" departmental programs without data to back it up.

You obviously are rating Duke highly based on its USNWR ranking. Yes that same ranking system also shows departmental strengths at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. Of course it’s not all encompassing, but then again you do see many top ten schools rank very highly in many disciplines. You don’t observe this with Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

I guess I consider different criteria than USNWR.
I guess I would put princeton a bit ahead of yale but certainly behind HMS and probably Caltech as well.
I put Princeton and yale in the same category as columbia... maybe even penn and duke

But like…why. Princeton is practically a leader in every field of study it offers and is an undergraduate based institution.

Princeton has a PA considerably higher than Duke. Its engineering school is the best in the Ivy League along with Cornell.

I will never understand the love affair with Duke. It’s supposedly a top ten school but it has very few disciplines ranked as highly as its undergraduate rating.

Mystifying to me as well.

Even in the south, Vanderbilt is often seen as the preeminent school in the region.

And I'd certainly put Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Penn, and Berkeley ahead of Duke. Because all of those schools are genuinely very good in numerous fields. Whereas Duke has ???? Basketball?

It depends on how you look at it. Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. But the kids choose to go to Duke. So which school should be called "better"?

Dubious assertion that Hopkins is stronger than Duke academically. They’re on par.

With that said, the notion that the rankings reflect some sort of pure academic ranking is reductionist. Chicago crushes Hopkins academically, but last year’s ranking doesn’t reflect that, suggesting that rankings reflect factors other than pure academics alone. To that point, the fact that “the kids choose to go to Duke” must represent other factors, too.

To support your point, which is “better” can be reflected somewhat in pure academic rankings but also somewhat in where students choose to attend.

for undergrad what is duke better at? Hopkins engineering is better along with bio, chem, physics and multiple humanities programs and international relations. For duke, maybe economics and that’s it. Same argument for hopkins engineering vs chicago which doesnt even have engineering

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Duke also strong in biomed engineering and biochem engineering.

A couple of niche areas. Not widespread.

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

How is UVA in-state one of the best deals in the country. It’s far more than UC in state or Michigan in-state…especially for engineering.

You don't have to be THE best deal to be ONE of the best deals. I wouldn't count on UCB and UCLA holding onto their prestige forever if they remain test blind.

However, it’s not one of the best deals factually. For instate engineering it’s nearly 2x the cost of UMD for in state.

Are you now going to claim it’s 2x better than UMD for engineering or in general?

To be one of the best deals shouldn’t it offer in state rates that are generally lower than most in state schools…not the highest?

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Anonymous wrote:agreed with others, duke undergrad is highly overrated. people go there due to the basketball team. now that coach k is gone, we’ll see what happens. not off to a good start losing to nc state last year

Lol. Pretty sure people go to Duke because it consistently places kids in the top jobs, grad schools, etc. Top programs in the sciences, quantum computing, humanities, etc. Clearly some very salty people regarding Duke on here, but I understand because it’s the closest “highly elite” school for placements in the DMV. My kid applied and was rejected but is happy at UVA, and I would argue UVA in-state is one of the best deals in the country.

How is UVA in-state one of the best deals in the country. It’s far more than UC in state or Michigan in-state…especially for engineering.

You don't have to be THE best deal to be ONE of the best deals. I wouldn't count on UCB and UCLA holding onto their prestige forever if they remain test blind.

I am not sure if UCB and UCLA not requiring SATs will hurt them that much in the long run. Even before TO, the SAT scores at Berkeley and UCLA were VERY low compared to their peers. For example, Berkeley's 25% SAT score was below 1300 pre-Covid, 2019-2020. It was even lower at UCLA. They don't care about having students with high SAT's. Of course, there has been a tremendous amount of data about the validity of the SAT in predicting student performance, including the UC's own studies. But politically I doubt California will ever reverse course.