NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the Trump speech, my god, he is old, he is lying and he has no command of facts. I mean I get it, Joe is old, but this is off the charts bad.

Kamala would eat this up if they were to debate.

LOL!!! I love your desperation. Kamala is being swept into the dustbin of history as Trump speaks. Where she belongs.

The next Democrat president will be AOC . I’ve said it here plenty of times and it gets scoffed as trolling but she’s the baby version of Bernie Sanders . She’s already started to polish things up by hosting some sort of anti semitism public forum. She’s being groomed for 2028

Absolutely delusional.

She's popular in a very liberal subdistrict in an already very liberal city in a liberal state. AOC is so unlikeable across the entire country.

Please run AOC in 2028 Dems. At the rate you're going, you might never produce a quality candidate capable of winning until the year 2100.

Whatever you say.. I still think she’s the one to watch. Interestingly enough, she had an Instagram Live last night where she spilled some major beans to her viewers . She said the DNC is in shambles and she appeared to vouch for keeping Biden in the race. She said Biden thrives with an audience and it was a colossal mistake to ban an audience from the debate. I can see this being true because he was much better at the Detroit , NC, and Philly rally when he had a crowd . She also said private polling shows Biden down by the double digits but that her campaign’s private polling showed the same thing and she still won twice . She is upset with the Dems bowing to donors and pushing Biden out of the race. She says he is the only one who can beat Trump and he should remain until next year when things can be figured out about his resignation .

I must say she made some convincing points. I’m still not a fan of old Joe or his character and leadership but AOC may be right about the inaccuracy of polls . We saw the polls were incorrect about Hillary and about Biden and Trump in 2020. AOC brought up that Trump was leading Biden by a huge Margin during the protest summer of 2020 but that by October surprise of Trump with COVID and one of the debates , Trumps gains had dissipated and undecided voters were leaning Biden

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

We support you 100%!

Love, The GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

Thank you. These are my feelings exactly. I hope Biden gets some rest and lets these people work themselves up in a tizzy in the media. Then comes back refreshed and drops a bucket of cold water on this entire plan to railroad him out-of-office and have party elites ignore the will of the voters.

He was fantastic in his NATO news conference. Anyone thinking Trump could do that is nuts.

Exactly. Trump is the same guy who was laughter at by the UN general assembly. Embarrassing.

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Biden campaign memo says there "is no plan for an alternative nominee"

President Joe Biden’s campaign released a new memo Friday saying that there “is no plan for an alternative nominee” despite many senior White House and campaign officials believing that the president must abandon his campaign for a second term.

“Joe Biden has made it more than clear: He’s in this race and he’s in it to win it. Moreover, he’s the presumptive nominee — there is no plan for an alternative nominee. In a few short weeks, Joe Biden will be the official nominee. It is high past time we stop fighting one another. The only person who wins when we fight is Donald Trump,” Dan Kanninen, the campaign’s battleground state director, wrote in a new memo Friday.
“I will not sugarcoat the state of the race: We have our work cut out for us to win this November. We also have immense opportunity and a clear path to victory if we listen to what the voters on the ground are truly paying attention to, if we focus on the issues that matter most to the electorate in the battleground states and offer a clear choice between Joe Biden’s positive vision and Donald Trump’s extreme Project 2025 agenda,” Kanninen concludes.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-rnc-07-19-24/index.html

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Everybody please stay on topic. This thread is about Biden possibly stepping down. It is not about your feelings about the Cheneys, "extreme" Democratic policies, or immigrants. There are other threads for those topics. If you wish to bash transgender people, please find another website.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-close-to-dropping-out/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/us/politics/biden-election-drop-out.html

Dropping out "as early as this weekend."

Where can I find a good, unbiased resource that will give me the factual information on what happens with delegates and various state ballots if this happens?

It will be uncharted territory. Who knows?

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You can always look up the DNC rules regarding the nomination process for President on their website. They don’t lay out a clear path forward under the circumstances of a primary elected candidate stepping down due to poor polling results so this will be a new situation.

I’d really rethink voting in Democratic primaries going forward. What’s the point?

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I truly don’t think it matters what the D’s do. It’s over and it’s sadly been over for months. In that light, I personally don’t feel like listening to all of the legal wrangling that’s going to happen if they try to swap the nominee. Just my 2 cents.

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Anonymous wrote:My dream VP pick is Buttigieg but an all female ticket with Whitmer would be historic and such a contrast to Trump/Vance.

Historic over competent could be their campaign hook

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

I think the big mistake is only voting for someone because they are the same race as you are.

Some would call that racism.

Black voters are quite pragmatic . If Kamala isnt the choice because she’s not electable , they will understand that it’s about who can beat Trump.

Nobody’s that much of a fangirl of Kamala in the first place . She’s not an Obama (Barack or Michelle) and never will be. She’s a notoriously poor orator and the poster child of the typical politician . Whether that’s fair or unfair , that is the perception . She was thrown under the bus with this administration with the migrant crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:You can always look up the DNC rules regarding the nomination process for President on their website. They don’t lay out a clear path forward under the circumstances of a primary elected candidate stepping down due to poor polling results so this will be a new situation.

I’d really rethink voting in Democratic primaries going forward. What’s the point?

I suspect they don't have any rules specifically covering this contingency. A better question is, what does the DNC need to do to amend the rules?

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Biden’s top advisor shot this rumor down to the press this morning. Look it up yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden’s top advisor shot this rumor down to the press this morning. Look it up yourself.

So will it be this evening or tomorrow that Biden announces his withdrawal?

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Anonymous wrote:Biden’s top advisor shot this rumor down to the press this morning. Look it up yourself.

So will it be this evening or tomorrow that Biden announces his withdrawal?

No, he’s staying in the race. “Shot the rumor down” means discredited the rumor and contradicted it.