Anyone following this Candice Miller/Mama & Tata nightmare?

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Anonymous wrote:She’s a very unattractive woman. Can’t imagine the degrees of delusion it took for her to hold herself out on social media as someone with an enviable lifestyle.

I am a Tracy Anderson member and Candice and I had our children at around the same time. So many around her envied her and she had a bit of a reputation as being a mean girl but to be honest she was always nothing but nice to me.

She carried herself no differently than any other NYC power mom. I think as someone noted, this couple grew up privileged and these recent financial times could only really be expertly navigated by those with more resilience that comes from having real life problems to solve independently. It seems like Brandon never had to do that until his dad passed away.

Candice was not a power mom. She dragged her children from the UES to Water Mill to Capri buying status on the backs of otters' labor. She is a narcissistic grifter who is incapable of passing on morals to her children. All those children have learned from their parents is that your worthiness is directly related to your wealth and that keeping up appearances is more important than honesty or friendship.

Her husband's father hid money from lenders and her husband sued his own mother at one point when their agreement on how to protect the assets fell through. Both of them appear to be multiple generations removed from hard work. What an incredible waste. This is why you should not insulate your kids from failure, this is why you should teach your children that money and social status are mutable and do not confer worthiness, and why you should teach your children to work hard and live within their means. And for the love of G-d, teach your kids social media is fake and a waste of time.

I have to agree - not a “power mom.” The power moms have jobs, or at least former careers. Or at the VERY least, they know how to monetize their following. Candice has barely ever worked in her life. I doubt she can so much as scramble an egg. She only knows how to spend money. In this way, she is completely different from most of her friends! Rachel Zoe, Rebecca Cohen, etc all have jobs. Hell, even Arielle Charnas has influencer income. What does Candice do? What are her skills besides obsessive Tracy Anderson workouts and paying people to do the simplest tasks for her? She’s going to have a tough road ahead of her.

Candice’s brand was that she was “above” having to have a job. Effortless perfection was her brand.

I think at one point it was real but when the real estate market turned during Covid, her husband started having money problems. Instead of cutting back, they kept spending, probably with the idea that one big deal could get them back on track and he’d be able to pay back his friends and creditors. Sadly, that didn’t happen.

But I do think it was all real at one point prior to the pandemic. It wasn’t all smoke and mirrors.

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This is what happens when you fly too close to the sun! If it were not for her children I wouldn’t have any sympathy for her. Given they had to sell their NYC place and rent furniture she must have known that money was a problem but it didn’t slow her down. I had never heard of her until reading todays NYT.

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Anonymous wrote:As others have predicted, she will remarry into money. This is the crowd she's been running in for years. She'll be fine.

They scammed these people though...

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Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe this story. I knew who she was years before this because of her family connection to Arielle Charnas but I never followed her because her life seemed too good to be true. Truly perfect in a way that is not relatable at all. She herself is gorgeous and so skinny. 2 cute kids, a super rich and successful husband who lives to spoil her endlessly. They lived more like billionaires than any other influencers on Arielle’s level. I assumed it was all family and real estate money. I believed the fantasy 100%.

I feel so sad for her.

Gorgeous , my ass.

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I wonder how many of you status-and-wealth-obsessed fools on DCUM a year ago would have praised her to the skies for having "class" or elegance or good taste.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you status-and-wealth-obsessed fools on DCUM a year ago would have praised her to the skies for having "class" or elegance or good taste.

Who is praising an influencers for having class?!

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you status-and-wealth-obsessed fools on DCUM a year ago would have praised her to the skies for having "class" or elegance or good taste.

Who is praising an influencers for having class?!

Do you not see how this reply is not so different from the entire problem? This idea that some people are better than others because of bizarre social conceits? Whether it's "influencers" or people making less than $20M a year or whatever silly invented materialist criteria we've come up with, rather than values like kindness and compassion and the like?

Candice Miller flaunted her life very publicly because she wanted to feel superior, and she wanted people's validation that she was indeed "better" than most people because she was rich and wore beautiful clothes and blahblahblah. And lots of people bought into that. They admired her and aspired to be like her.

Your criteria might be different. Heaven forbid, admiring an "influencer!" But it's the same kind of snobbery and elitism that social media has unfortunately magnified into a worldwide epidemic of consume, consume, consume.

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Anonymous wrote:As others have predicted, she will remarry into money. This is the crowd she's been running in for years. She'll be fine.

sounds more like a personal wish of yours .

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone familiar with life insurance law chime in. If the family receives the life insurance money, won’t creditors insist the money go towards Mr. Miller’s debts?

No. Life insurance claims pass outside the estate and go directly to the beneficiary and creditors have no claim. She will get to keep. LI is meant to replace income.

Is she has creditors then they can get the life insurance

So it depends on whether she was personally liable for any of their debts. If she really didn’t know anything about their dire financial state, she probably wasn’t on those debts.

How could she not be on them? Some of it is for the furniture she used daily. And they were married. Ignorance is not an excuse unless it's a separate business account.

She didn't have an income other than maybe a trust but their assets (house, boat, potentially life insurance) are going to creditors. I imagine she will also need to pay taxes on the life insurance.

No, it’s an insurance payout not income.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe this story. I knew who she was years before this because of her family connection to Arielle Charnas but I never followed her because her life seemed too good to be true. Truly perfect in a way that is not relatable at all. She herself is gorgeous and so skinny. 2 cute kids, a super rich and successful husband who lives to spoil her endlessly. They lived more like billionaires than any other influencers on Arielle’s level. I assumed it was all family and real estate money. I believed the fantasy 100%.

I feel so sad for her.

Gorgeous , my ass.

+1. She's not attractive at all. She dresses up to mask her plainness, but she's a 4 or a 5 at best. Very basic Long Island JAP looks.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe this story. I knew who she was years before this because of her family connection to Arielle Charnas but I never followed her because her life seemed too good to be true. Truly perfect in a way that is not relatable at all. She herself is gorgeous and so skinny. 2 cute kids, a super rich and successful husband who lives to spoil her endlessly. They lived more like billionaires than any other influencers on Arielle’s level. I assumed it was all family and real estate money. I believed the fantasy 100%.

I feel so sad for her.

Gorgeous , my ass.

+1. She's not attractive at all. She dresses up to mask her plainness, but she's a 4 or a 5 at best. Very basic Long Island JAP looks.

Money doesn't buy good looks.Even with the accoutrements, she's barely a 4 by NYC standards. To think this is the woman a man didn't have the courage to talk about the true state of the family's finances is mind-boggling.

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Looks like their house is listed for $15,495,000
https://pagesix.com/2024/08/12/lifestyle/mama-tata-influencer-candice-miller-lists-debt-ridden-hamptons-mansion-for-15m/

You can see the estate YIKES
https://www.bespokerealestate.com/listing/cobb-isle-road-water-mill-ny/

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She is definitely attractive just as attractive as Arielle Charnas and much prettier than most of her circle.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you status-and-wealth-obsessed fools on DCUM a year ago would have praised her to the skies for having "class" or elegance or good taste.

Who is praising an influencers for having class?!

Do you not see how this reply is not so different from the entire problem? This idea that some people are better than others because of bizarre social conceits? Whether it's "influencers" or people making less than $20M a year or whatever silly invented materialist criteria we've come up with, rather than values like kindness and compassion and the like?

Candice Miller flaunted her life very publicly because she wanted to feel superior, and she wanted people's validation that she was indeed "better" than most people because she was rich and wore beautiful clothes and blahblahblah. And lots of people bought into that. They admired her and aspired to be like her.

Your criteria might be different. Heaven forbid, admiring an "influencer!" But it's the same kind of snobbery and elitism that social media has unfortunately magnified into a worldwide epidemic of consume, consume, consume.

100 percent

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Growing up my family was very close with a wealthy family where the husband committed suicide. His suicide note was very focused on the insurance payout. it turned out he hated his job but felt trapped because he did not want his family to have to take a lifestyle hit if he switched jobs.

It's not exactly the same situation but in both cases the money became a trap.