New boundary study for Churchill, Clarksburg, Damascus, Gaithersburg, RM, Northwest, Poolesville, QO, SV, WM, Wootton

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

What? Crown is being built a few miles north for hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to need people zoned to it to justify its existence. Who are you expecting to get redistricted INTO Wootton?

Wootton is under capacity, so if some of Wootton gets rezoned to crown, then some of other HS will have to be rezone to Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

Benefit how?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

What? Crown is being built a few miles north for hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to need people zoned to it to justify its existence. Who are you expecting to get redistricted INTO Wootton?

Wootton is under capacity, so if some of Wootton gets rezoned to crown, then some of other HS will have to be rezone to Wootton.

Woootton is at the northmost edge of its boundary. Many neighborhoods to its South are closer to other nearby schools. seems like families to its north in Rockville would be much closer than those near the Potomac.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

What? Crown is being built a few miles north for hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to need people zoned to it to justify its existence. Who are you expecting to get redistricted INTO Wootton?

Wootton is under capacity, so if some of Wootton gets rezoned to crown, then some of other HS will have to be rezone to Wootton.

The only thing that needs to get pulled out of Wootton is the rio area because it’s walkable to Crown. There is already an old shopping center by Wootton that is due to be razed in favor of new housing in the next few years. Mt. Prospect is just coming online as well. Wootton can also absorb some overflow from Churchill.

Everyone else is going to need to be zoned to Crown to fill its seats.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

What? Crown is being built a few miles north for hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to need people zoned to it to justify its existence. Who are you expecting to get redistricted INTO Wootton?

Wootton is under capacity, so if some of Wootton gets rezoned to crown, then some of other HS will have to be rezone to Wootton.

Woootton is at the northmost edge of its boundary. Many neighborhoods to its South are closer to other nearby schools. seems like families to its north in Rockville would be much closer than those near the Potomac.

But north in Rockville is closer to Richard Montgomery too. Walking distance of wootton, Churchill and RM have a lot of overlapping areas.

Being at the edge of its boundaries is not uncommon. Look at Gaithersburg and QO. It’s due to MCPS building high schools too close together.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

It’s not at all. Many HS are all close together. Walking distance of Wootton doesn’t have many houses.
There are a lot of people who are looking forward to this redistricting so they can benefit from being rezoned into Wootton.

What? Crown is being built a few miles north for hundreds of millions of dollars, and it's going to need people zoned to it to justify its existence. Who are you expecting to get redistricted INTO Wootton?

Wootton is under capacity, so if some of Wootton gets rezoned to crown, then some of other HS will have to be rezone to Wootton.

Woootton is at the northmost edge of its boundary. Many neighborhoods to its South are closer to other nearby schools. seems like families to its north in Rockville would be much closer than those near the Potomac.

You are completely mistaken. Wootton is at the mid-southern end of its boundary and at the eastern part of its boundary.

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Pretty much every school is not at the geographic center of its boundary. Tons of kids are closer to another school. We can make boundaries a bit less eccentric, but we'll still have kids closer to other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that these should be the MCPS priorities above anything else:

1. Health & Safety. This means addressing student and teacher safety. Ex. if a building has asbesdos or falling ceilings that's dealt with before other renovations. That also means if a school has rats or mice, that's dealt with before building a new school or re-renovating a school with artificial overcrowding that could be addressed with a boundary change. If also this means a school needs an SRO because of rising incidents, it needs an SRO.
2. Academics. This means that no teacher classroom is without basic school supplies or what they need to conduct effective instruction. This means that the Central Office provides support and assistance to teacher concerns, not the other way around. This does not mean teachers go off rails by teaching personal bias, but if it's related to the course material to supplement the module or a textbook, it's fair game. I know the CO will claim they already support teachers, but if a teacher says they're asking parents for materials to help with instruction - they're really not.
3. Fiscal Responsibility. Pet projects are not funded until 1 and 2 are addressed. Period.
4. Everything else is a "competing priority" that can be decided by MCPS leadership; subject to financial constraints.

And my kids have been in extremely overcrowded schools for years - I think that should be the first priority. Not sure what artificial overcrowding is, but the chaos at the overcrowded schools is just that: chaos. The overcrowding has lead to an extremely unsafe environment.

All schools have rats - kids leave behind food and trash, it's like a paradise for the rats

And asbestos is fine as long as its not disturbed.

I agree with you about academics, but let's fill all the teacher roles with qualified teachers, not long term subs, and not the sub of the day or no sub so they get pawned off to other classrooms.

No. Fryable asbestos sheds so there's no such thing as "as long as its not disturbed." The post I read about a janitor's account a while back indicated the asbestos was NOT encapsulated (i.e. embedded in ceramic tiles).

All schools have rats. So you're okay with looking the other way?

YOUR kids have an over crowded school? That's more of a priority than rats or asbestos? You're a real piece of work.

If you work for MCPS or the BOE, please post your name so we can petition to have you fired.

If you're a parent - I hope your kid leaves the school system - that way your kid's school won't be overcrowded anymore.

Goodbye.

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Oh and post the name of your kids school. How much to you want to bet it's adjacent a school that has more capacity?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

Same thing. House prices at areas that are bussed to high performing schools will increase value, which will then replace high farm students with low farm students over time. Stop using public schools to do social engineering. Public schools should focus on providing good quality education. Bussing students around would not help, but instead would drain resources which could be used to improve education quality.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

Same thing. House prices at areas that are bussed to high performing schools will increase value, which will then replace high farm students with low farm students over time. Stop using public schools to do social engineering. Public schools should focus on providing good quality education. Bussing students around would not help, but instead would drain resources which could be used to improve education quality.

Public schools should focus on providing good quality education, not maintaining house prices.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

Same thing. House prices at areas that are bussed to high performing schools will increase value, which will then replace high farm students with low farm students over time. Stop using public schools to do social engineering. Public schools should focus on providing good quality education. Bussing students around would not help, but instead would drain resources which could be used to improve education quality.

Public schools should focus on providing good quality education, not maintaining house prices.

Public schools don’t focus on maintaining house prices. House prices are driven by people who value education and choose to live in certain areas.