New boundary study for Churchill, Clarksburg, Damascus, Gaithersburg, RM, Northwest, Poolesville, QO, SV, WM, Wootton

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

PP is saying that high schools with lots of students from affluent families have more resources than high schools with lots of students from poor families. I also assume you already know that. But if my assumption is wrong, and you didn't -- now you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

On average, yes it is true

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

On average, yes it is true

Very true. Not sure why PP is acting like there isn’t data to back this up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

On average, yes it is true

Very true. Not sure why PP is acting like there isn’t data to back this up.

Which data backs this up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

On average, yes it is true

Very true. Not sure why PP is acting like there isn’t data to back this up.

Which data backs this up?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OLO/Resour...OLOReport2019-14.pdf

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

PP is saying that high schools with lots of students from affluent families have more resources than high schools with lots of students from poor families. I also assume you already know that. But if my assumption is wrong, and you didn't -- now you do.

The schools themselves have more resources or the kids that attend those schools do? One set of resources is provided by MCPS and I’d be surprised that the BOE and MCPS staff would permit the flow of resources to these schools in a way that discriminates based on the race or ses status of the students. The other set of resources is provided by student families and it makes sense that those would not be equal across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

PP is saying that high schools with lots of students from affluent families have more resources than high schools with lots of students from poor families. I also assume you already know that. But if my assumption is wrong, and you didn't -- now you do.

The schools themselves have more resources or the kids that attend those schools do? One set of resources is provided by MCPS and I’d be surprised that the BOE and MCPS staff would permit the flow of resources to these schools in a way that discriminates based on the race or ses status of the students. The other set of resources is provided by student families and it makes sense that those would not be equal across the board.

It makes sense that the BOE would want to establish school boundaries so there aren't schools with lots of students from poor families next to schools with lots of students from affluent families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

PP is saying that high schools with lots of students from affluent families have more resources than high schools with lots of students from poor families. I also assume you already know that. But if my assumption is wrong, and you didn't -- now you do.

The schools themselves have more resources or the kids that attend those schools do? One set of resources is provided by MCPS and I’d be surprised that the BOE and MCPS staff would permit the flow of resources to these schools in a way that discriminates based on the race or ses status of the students. The other set of resources is provided by student families and it makes sense that those would not be equal across the board.

Guess we know that you'll be fighting tooth and nail against the Boundary Analysis.

[Anonymous]

My kid is at Churchill and trust me, they have their share of horrible teachers. It’s a myth that all the teachers at W schools are fantastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

This is not true at all. I have one kid who attends a "rich white" school and another one attends a program at a majority minority, high FARMS HS that most of you would stick your nose up on. The latter definitely has more and better resources. MCPS clearly spends more money in this HS than the other one. The other school has wealthier parents, so they do have a larger, well-funded PTA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Churchill and trust me, they have their share of horrible teachers. It’s a myth that all the teachers at W schools are fantastic.

No one went with the absolute "all." We said the majority. Stop being obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Churchill and trust me, they have their share of horrible teachers. It’s a myth that all the teachers at W schools are fantastic.

The claim was “experienced teachers.” That is easier to measure objectively.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

DP. Yes, they probably do. Richer high schools have more experienced teachers, who get paid more. Personnel is the biggest cost. Also, the resources of the student body matter. Tutors, parent education, access to food, all of those resources matter too.

On the other hand the low income schools do have some special programs like the High School Wellness Centers so not sure how that affects the balance. And of course more kids get free meals so that is a resource as well.

Not necessarily true.

Last year I saw this list of $$/student at various HS and W's consistently were at the top of that list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow - apparently saying that being redistricted to Gaithersburg to reduce FARMS is reportable?

I definitely would expect the redistricting to seek to better balance out the FARMS populations across schools. Which is a good thing, because without restricting right now, we've basically created segregated schools where poor Black and Hispanic kids go and then the other well-resourced schools where the white and Asian kids go.

Now they need to do this redistricting in a way that accounts for distance from home and school as busing kids across county is also harmful and not desirable.

But I fully expect rich, white and Asian MoCo families to protest and be up in arms about this.

What do you mean by “well-resourced” schools? Don’t Title I schools - those with the highest FARMS rates - receive more funding that those with the lowest FARMS rates?

The simplest answer to your question is that there are no Title I high schools in MCPS.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/

Ok, so how do some high schools end up as well-resourced while others don’t? Is PP saying that MCPS spends more money for high schools in rich white areas than they do in poorer more diverse areas?

This is not true at all. I have one kid who attends a "rich white" school and another one attends a program at a majority minority, high FARMS HS that most of you would stick your nose up on. The latter definitely has more and better resources. MCPS clearly spends more money in this HS than the other one. The other school has wealthier parents, so they do have a larger, well-funded PTA.

I know it might seem that way but the actual data paints another picture.