New boundary study for Churchill, Clarksburg, Damascus, Gaithersburg, RM, Northwest, Poolesville, QO, SV, WM, Wootton

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

Same thing. House prices at areas that are bussed to high performing schools will increase value, which will then replace high farm students with low farm students over time. Stop using public schools to do social engineering. Public schools should focus on providing good quality education. Bussing students around would not help, but instead would drain resources which could be used to improve education quality.

Public schools should focus on providing good quality education, not maintaining house prices.

Public schools don’t focus on maintaining house prices. House prices are driven by people who value education and choose to live in certain areas.

House prices are driven by people who have more money than other people.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

Same thing. House prices at areas that are bussed to high performing schools will increase value, which will then replace high farm students with low farm students over time. Stop using public schools to do social engineering. Public schools should focus on providing good quality education. Bussing students around would not help, but instead would drain resources which could be used to improve education quality.

Public schools should focus on providing good quality education, not maintaining house prices.

Public schools don’t focus on maintaining house prices. House prices are driven by people who value education and choose to live in certain areas.

House prices are driven by people who have more money than other people.

Sure. Public schools don’t maintain the house prices. People will move around if they’re rezoned to lower performing schools. That’s just driven by market and social engineering does not work.

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Way back when Chicago schools were extremely segregated there was a big lawsuit. The Winston Churchill or TJ school with “best teachers” and “”best facilities” was forced to take all the students from the inner city run down school with “bad teachers”

Literally all the students switched schools. Guess what happened. The bad school grades and scores shot up and those bad teachers became good teachers almost overnight.

The good school became a bad school. So much is the teachers and parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when Chicago schools were extremely segregated there was a big lawsuit. The Winston Churchill or TJ school with “best teachers” and “”best facilities” was forced to take all the students from the inner city run down school with “bad teachers”

Literally all the students switched schools. Guess what happened. The bad school grades and scores shot up and those bad teachers became good teachers almost overnight.

The good school became a bad school. So much is the teachers and parents.

*shrug*

Here are the facts:

1. There will be a boundary study
2. The boundary study will have a public input process
3. Boundaries will change
4. Some people will complain
5. The sky will not fall

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

This 100%. Dismantling the very successful W schools would be a major mistake and just sink MCPS even further to a point where they will never recover. They should take just leave W school boundaries as is and shuffle around the bad schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

This 100%. Dismantling the very successful W schools would be a major mistake and just sink MCPS even further to a point where they will never recover. They should take just leave W school boundaries as is and shuffle around the bad schools.[/quote

The silver spring dominated BOE doesn’t care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Way back when Chicago schools were extremely segregated there was a big lawsuit. The Winston Churchill or TJ school with “best teachers” and “”best facilities” was forced to take all the students from the inner city run down school with “bad teachers”

Literally all the students switched schools. Guess what happened. The bad school grades and scores shot up and those bad teachers became good teachers almost overnight.

The good school became a bad school. So much is the teachers and parents.

*shrug*

Here are the facts:

1. There will be a boundary study
2. The boundary study will have a public input process
3. Boundaries will change
4. Some people will complain
5. The sky will not fall

In previous boundary changes, has the public input process ever amounted to significant change from the presented options? Or is it just a venting process meant to make people feel like they are heard?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

MoCo should do a competent boundary study and let the chips fall where they may. If that means the W schools boundaries are changed, so be it. Not every student will be able to go to the closest school or their currently zoned school and us not continue to have mass overcrowding. So folks should accept that now.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

MoCo should do a competent boundary study and let the chips fall where they may. If that means the W schools boundaries are changed, so be it. Not every student will be able to go to the closest school or their currently zoned school and us not continue to have mass overcrowding. So folks should accept that now.

The earlier posters claim that Moco is bleeding population is false. Our schools are overcrowded and getting more soevery year. This is just another right-wing fantasy to support their imaginary decline narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

MoCo should do a competent boundary study and let the chips fall where they may. If that means the W schools boundaries are changed, so be it. Not every student will be able to go to the closest school or their currently zoned school and us not continue to have mass overcrowding. So folks should accept that now.

The earlier posters claim that Moco is bleeding population is false. Our schools are overcrowded and getting more soevery year. This is just another right-wing fantasy to support their imaginary decline narrative.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they can reduce busing costs. Boundaries like Wootton's are terrible. Most of the students live closer to another school.

And then Horizon Hill neighborhood which is walkable, DOESN'T go to Wootton.

In Kensington, many families who live near Einstein also end up being bussed cross-county to WJ. These segregated boundaries from 40 years ago need to go.

Every single time I have read claims like this, and then looked into specifics of the actual boundary, it was immediately clear that the boundaries result from constraints from the distribution of population and placements of schools.

Boundaries will be improved where it's doable, but situations like what you're describing are likely to persist after redistricting.

LOL which is easily corrected. Why I should pay for your kids to be bussed when there's a perfectly fine school nearby.

Fine isn’t always good enough for people who can afford better.

If you choose private, that's your business, but I shouldn't be subsidizing segregation.

You don’t subsidize segregation. People choose to segregate themselves. They want to live in neighborhoods with their own ethnic groups. Desegregation is unnatural and costs lots of tax dollars for bussing and unnecessary emotional stress on people. Bussing failed decades ago and will never be successful.

To a lesser extent, but where i have to object is these gerrymandered boundaries like take Wootton for example where 80% of the boundary is closer to another HS. This was done specifically to create a segregated boundary and this is just one of many such examples.

Citation needed.

easy just look at the boundaries it's self-evident

What a joke - we've posted before about the demographic make-up in Montgomery County 40-50 years ago. It was overwhelmingly white (94.5% in 1970), and there were no boundaries for Wootton that would have sent a sizable number of black kids there. There just weren't enough in the County. The only way to be "desegregated" would be to bus just a few black (and even fewer Hispanics and Asians) to each school. Boundaries designed back then were not due to segregation.

Now we are starting to have the same issue in reverse with White kids, who now are only 25% of MCPS students, a percentage getting lower each year. Yes, you can bus that 25% all around the county, but for what purpose? And is that remnant of the population really in the same few schools because of "segregation"?

At MCPS, it's not really about bussing white kids around. It's about spreading kids around from certain neighborhoods that will reduce some of the excessively high FARMS rates at schools.

They just tried this in Howard County. It doesn't work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html

"The plan, announced by Dr. Martirano in August, would transfer 7,400 of the district’s 58,000 students to different schools in an effort to chip away at an uncomfortable truth: Some of the county’s campuses have become havens for rich students, while others serve large numbers of children whose families are struggling."

"The average bus ride for students throughout the county would increase by two miles each way, said Brian Bassett, a district spokesman."

That was five years ago. Look at the data from the schools featured in the article since then. These efforts did not make a dent:

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000816/school.aspx
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/schools/0042000762/school.aspx

Howard County is now facing a "school bus crisis":

https://www.wypr.org/the-baltimore-banner/2023-11-27/inside-howard-countys-school-bus-crisis-everything-that-went-wrong-before-zums-launch

MoCo, unlike HoCo, is bleeding population. It cannot afford to kneecap its best schools and alienate the families living there in order to accomplish absolutely nothing. Building new schools and improving the situation for overcrowded schools with very minimal changes to W schools is very possible and would be such an easy win for the County.

MoCo should do a competent boundary study and let the chips fall where they may. If that means the W schools boundaries are changed, so be it. Not every student will be able to go to the closest school or their currently zoned school and us not continue to have mass overcrowding. So folks should accept that now.

The earlier posters claim that Moco is bleeding population is false. Our schools are overcrowded and getting more soevery year. This is just another right-wing fantasy to support their imaginary decline narrative.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

The Census is right-wing propaganda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way back when Chicago schools were extremely segregated there was a big lawsuit. The Winston Churchill or TJ school with “best teachers” and “”best facilities” was forced to take all the students from the inner city run down school with “bad teachers”

Literally all the students switched schools. Guess what happened. The bad school grades and scores shot up and those bad teachers became good teachers almost overnight.

The good school became a bad school. So much is the teachers and parents.

*shrug*

Here are the facts:

1. There will be a boundary study
2. The boundary study will have a public input process
3. Boundaries will change
4. Some people will complain
5. The sky will not fall

In previous boundary changes, has the public input process ever amounted to significant change from the presented options? Or is it just a venting process meant to make people feel like they are heard?

Yes, it often leads to additional options.

[Anonymous]

If MCPS has good schools with top-notch education programs, FARMS won't matter one way or the other. Parents that care about education will relocate to the county for their children's educational opportunities.

It seems MCPS has given up trying to provide top-notch programs. Now their only strategy is to shift around poor people in the hopes of watering down issues at their home schools.

However, the assumption that poor=problem is one MCPS CO is making up themselves. Instead the CO should step up and go sit daily at the schools with problems and instead of at Hungerford. And they should sit there, at that school, until it's problems have been fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Way back when Chicago schools were extremely segregated there was a big lawsuit. The Winston Churchill or TJ school with “best teachers” and “”best facilities” was forced to take all the students from the inner city run down school with “bad teachers”

Literally all the students switched schools. Guess what happened. The bad school grades and scores shot up and those bad teachers became good teachers almost overnight.

The good school became a bad school. So much is the teachers and parents.

*shrug*

Here are the facts:

1. There will be a boundary study
2. The boundary study will have a public input process
3. Boundaries will change
4. Some people will complain
5. The sky will not fall

In previous boundary changes, has the public input process ever amounted to significant change from the presented options? Or is it just a venting process meant to make people feel like they are heard?

Yes, it often leads to additional options.

HoCo's 2019 redistricting was widely criticized, and it did not lead to additional options that addressed criticisms to be presented.

Instead, the media covered the plans and shut down criticism by labeling it as right-wing.

In hindsight, much of the criticism turned out to be correct. The longer bus rides have contributed to the district's bus issues. Neighborhoods were split, so that young children make friends who then separate where they didn't before. You can find both of these complaints mentioned in media coverage from the time. And we can now see from the data that these efforts failed to make meaningful changes in the demographic makeup of these schools, but the district is now stuck with the longer bus rides and split communities.

So as far as seeing additional options - I'll believe it when I see it.

[Anonymous]

There’s no equity and inclusion until the school clusters have equal test scores. It’s the right thing to do for the school system to work toward that goal aggressively.