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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

Surely you understand that stateless nations are problematic for everyone. Look at the Kurds. They are a nation that has no official state. This has caused them to be attacked, famously with chemical weapons. They are also attackers, historically using terrorism for political violence. Right now, Israelis have a state. And, they have agreed to allow the state of Palestine to operate independently on land that officially belongs to Israel. Israel even foots the bill for all utilities that Palestine uses.

Why isn't this enough? Surely you understand that kicking Israelis out and leaving them stateless would harm all involved. Palestine has practically no governance and Israel has to take care of the people in Palestine. If we say, okay, let's kick out all the Jews and cede all of Israel to a terrorist organization, how do you think that will turn out? And what we would do about the nuclear bombs that Israel has? Turn that over to hamas, too? The so-called pro Palestine movement will be a bit like the dog that caught the car. This is not an outcome that will help actual Palestinians.

I agree that stateless nations are a problem for everyone. I also believe that the existence of the current Israel/Palestine situation is a problem for everyone (see, e.g. the current conflict - a major humanitarian problem for Gaza, potentially a regional conflict, and a major optics problem for the U.S., whose patron state is committing war crimes that we are, for some reason, defending in public).

The U.S. protecting this status quo through its policy of "support for Israel" (in its current form), is in my opinion bad policy. Either we need to (1) put our money where our mouth is and forcefully advocate for/broker a legitimate two-state solution in which Palestine is a real state with full control and sovereignty over its land, which would also require massive foreign aid to build out infrastructure and institutions so that it actually can be a functioning state; or (2) put enormous pressure on Israel to absorb Palestinians into the country as full, voting citizens with rights, who are treated well, educated properly, and supported in every way by the state. That might mean that Israel is no longer an ethnoreligious state but a multiethnic democracy. It can be done. And, while I hear the arguments that the Jewish people should have their own state, I don't think that is possible or good policy when it comes at the expense of subjugating a population of 2 million Palestinians.

Obviously these options aren't simple. There are a ton of issues to work out, and I realize that neither side is solely a victim or solely an aggressor, and obviously at this point they hate each other. I think either would eventually be preferable to what is going on right now, and I really hate that the U.S.'s policy is to blindly support the Israeli government as though they can do no wrong. It is bad policy for the American people.

Please educate yourself on the history of the region.

Why does the United States have to do what you want it to do? You make it sound like an imperative or moral obligation. And you dare to ask us to build your nation up by scratch financially? You don’t even like our country anyway you just want to use us so no thank you. We support Israel and that is our choice.

I'm an American citizen and an American taxpayer just as much as you are, and it's equally my right to speak up about what I see to be the moral obligations of my government, protest USG policy I don't like, and vote and advocate for policy I do like, as it is yours. And I do not have Palestinian heritage. I am very glad that demographic and generational change is making it more likely that the longstanding USG policy toward Israel will change. I will vote for that.

The anti Israeli protesters are suggesting fairly significant involvement in the middle east. A lot more people will die if we try to restructure the region and chase out the Jews. I don't even see your position as being sympathetic toward middle eastern civilians. It's really only helpful to terrorist groups seeking control.

I never suggested "chas[ing] out the Jews." I recognize that there are people who advocate for that, but they're pretty clearly not serious people. I think we need to leverage the resources we provide to Israel by requiring that they actually, in good faith, participate in a two-state solution that creates a functional Palestinian state or integrate the Palestinian population into their country as full citizens with full rights. I am willing to allocate foreign aid and resources to this. I do not want to allocate cash and in-kind military support to Israel in the form we are providing now, i.e., no strings.

They've tried. They've offered a ton of deals to the Palestinians. If we think we can do better than all of the middle eastern leaders who've tried to fix this, over the span of several decades, we are either dumb or narcissistic.

Then they need to offer better deals. And I think that we [the U.S.] should use our leverage, aka the $3B+ in annual foreign aid that we spend on Israel, to encourage the Israeli government to do this. And cut it off if they do not.

Oh yes. Let's meddle even more in middle eastern politics and pump a tiny nation with $3B allowance and require no industry. What could go wrong.

This is western meddling at its finest and you are too blind to even see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

Surely you understand that stateless nations are problematic for everyone. Look at the Kurds. They are a nation that has no official state. This has caused them to be attacked, famously with chemical weapons. They are also attackers, historically using terrorism for political violence. Right now, Israelis have a state. And, they have agreed to allow the state of Palestine to operate independently on land that officially belongs to Israel. Israel even foots the bill for all utilities that Palestine uses.

Why isn't this enough? Surely you understand that kicking Israelis out and leaving them stateless would harm all involved. Palestine has practically no governance and Israel has to take care of the people in Palestine. If we say, okay, let's kick out all the Jews and cede all of Israel to a terrorist organization, how do you think that will turn out? And what we would do about the nuclear bombs that Israel has? Turn that over to hamas, too? The so-called pro Palestine movement will be a bit like the dog that caught the car. This is not an outcome that will help actual Palestinians.

I agree that stateless nations are a problem for everyone. I also believe that the existence of the current Israel/Palestine situation is a problem for everyone (see, e.g. the current conflict - a major humanitarian problem for Gaza, potentially a regional conflict, and a major optics problem for the U.S., whose patron state is committing war crimes that we are, for some reason, defending in public).

The U.S. protecting this status quo through its policy of "support for Israel" (in its current form), is in my opinion bad policy. Either we need to (1) put our money where our mouth is and forcefully advocate for/broker a legitimate two-state solution in which Palestine is a real state with full control and sovereignty over its land, which would also require massive foreign aid to build out infrastructure and institutions so that it actually can be a functioning state; or (2) put enormous pressure on Israel to absorb Palestinians into the country as full, voting citizens with rights, who are treated well, educated properly, and supported in every way by the state. That might mean that Israel is no longer an ethnoreligious state but a multiethnic democracy. It can be done. And, while I hear the arguments that the Jewish people should have their own state, I don't think that is possible or good policy when it comes at the expense of subjugating a population of 2 million Palestinians.

Obviously these options aren't simple. There are a ton of issues to work out, and I realize that neither side is solely a victim or solely an aggressor, and obviously at this point they hate each other. I think either would eventually be preferable to what is going on right now, and I really hate that the U.S.'s policy is to blindly support the Israeli government as though they can do no wrong. It is bad policy for the American people.

Please educate yourself on the history of the region.

Why does the United States have to do what you want it to do? You make it sound like an imperative or moral obligation. And you dare to ask us to build your nation up by scratch financially? You don’t even like our country anyway you just want to use us so no thank you. We support Israel and that is our choice.

I'm an American citizen and an American taxpayer just as much as you are, and it's equally my right to speak up about what I see to be the moral obligations of my government, protest USG policy I don't like, and vote and advocate for policy I do like, as it is yours. And I do not have Palestinian heritage. I am very glad that demographic and generational change is making it more likely that the longstanding USG policy toward Israel will change. I will vote for that.

The anti Israeli protesters are suggesting fairly significant involvement in the middle east. A lot more people will die if we try to restructure the region and chase out the Jews. I don't even see your position as being sympathetic toward middle eastern civilians. It's really only helpful to terrorist groups seeking control.

I never suggested "chas[ing] out the Jews." I recognize that there are people who advocate for that, but they're pretty clearly not serious people. I think we need to leverage the resources we provide to Israel by requiring that they actually, in good faith, participate in a two-state solution that creates a functional Palestinian state or integrate the Palestinian population into their country as full citizens with full rights. I am willing to allocate foreign aid and resources to this. I do not want to allocate cash and in-kind military support to Israel in the form we are providing now, i.e., no strings.

They've tried. They've offered a ton of deals to the Palestinians. If we think we can do better than all of the middle eastern leaders who've tried to fix this, over the span of several decades, we are either dumb or narcissistic.

Then they need to offer better deals. And I think that we [the U.S.] should use our leverage, aka the $3B+ in annual foreign aid that we spend on Israel, to encourage the Israeli government to do this. And cut it off if they do not.

Oh yes. Let's meddle even more in middle eastern politics and pump a tiny nation with $3B allowance and require no industry. What could go wrong.

This is western meddling at its finest and you are too blind to even see it.

This is precisely what we're doing right now. What are you trying to say?

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My dear sweet widowed Jewish neighbor is scared to death. We live on a quiet street in Arlington, and she's genuinely afraid for her safety. Part of her understands that her fear is somewhat irrational, but she can't help herself. She has a key to our house and I told her to call or come over anytime she needs to, but what else can I do?

This is all so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:My dear sweet widowed Jewish neighbor is scared to death. We live on a quiet street in Arlington, and she's genuinely afraid for her safety. Part of her understands that her fear is somewhat irrational, but she can't help herself. She has a key to our house and I told her to call or come over anytime she needs to, but what else can I do?

This is all so sad.

That sounds like a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:My dear sweet widowed Jewish neighbor is scared to death. We live on a quiet street in Arlington, and she's genuinely afraid for her safety. Part of her understands that her fear is somewhat irrational, but she can't help herself. She has a key to our house and I told her to call or come over anytime she needs to, but what else can I do?

This is all so sad.

Good for you. Check on her frequently. Offer to pick up groceries for her if she needs them.
Keep an eye on her home. Just be there for her. It sounds like you are being a good friend and neighbor.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

Surely you understand that stateless nations are problematic for everyone. Look at the Kurds. They are a nation that has no official state. This has caused them to be attacked, famously with chemical weapons. They are also attackers, historically using terrorism for political violence. Right now, Israelis have a state. And, they have agreed to allow the state of Palestine to operate independently on land that officially belongs to Israel. Israel even foots the bill for all utilities that Palestine uses.

Why isn't this enough? Surely you understand that kicking Israelis out and leaving them stateless would harm all involved. Palestine has practically no governance and Israel has to take care of the people in Palestine. If we say, okay, let's kick out all the Jews and cede all of Israel to a terrorist organization, how do you think that will turn out? And what we would do about the nuclear bombs that Israel has? Turn that over to hamas, too? The so-called pro Palestine movement will be a bit like the dog that caught the car. This is not an outcome that will help actual Palestinians.

I agree that stateless nations are a problem for everyone. I also believe that the existence of the current Israel/Palestine situation is a problem for everyone (see, e.g. the current conflict - a major humanitarian problem for Gaza, potentially a regional conflict, and a major optics problem for the U.S., whose patron state is committing war crimes that we are, for some reason, defending in public).

The U.S. protecting this status quo through its policy of "support for Israel" (in its current form), is in my opinion bad policy. Either we need to (1) put our money where our mouth is and forcefully advocate for/broker a legitimate two-state solution in which Palestine is a real state with full control and sovereignty over its land, which would also require massive foreign aid to build out infrastructure and institutions so that it actually can be a functioning state; or (2) put enormous pressure on Israel to absorb Palestinians into the country as full, voting citizens with rights, who are treated well, educated properly, and supported in every way by the state. That might mean that Israel is no longer an ethnoreligious state but a multiethnic democracy. It can be done. And, while I hear the arguments that the Jewish people should have their own state, I don't think that is possible or good policy when it comes at the expense of subjugating a population of 2 million Palestinians.

Obviously these options aren't simple. There are a ton of issues to work out, and I realize that neither side is solely a victim or solely an aggressor, and obviously at this point they hate each other. I think either would eventually be preferable to what is going on right now, and I really hate that the U.S.'s policy is to blindly support the Israeli government as though they can do no wrong. It is bad policy for the American people.

Please educate yourself on the history of the region.

Why does the United States have to do what you want it to do? You make it sound like an imperative or moral obligation. And you dare to ask us to build your nation up by scratch financially? You don’t even like our country anyway you just want to use us so no thank you. We support Israel and that is our choice.

I'm an American citizen and an American taxpayer just as much as you are, and it's equally my right to speak up about what I see to be the moral obligations of my government, protest USG policy I don't like, and vote and advocate for policy I do like, as it is yours. And I do not have Palestinian heritage. I am very glad that demographic and generational change is making it more likely that the longstanding USG policy toward Israel will change. I will vote for that.

The anti Israeli protesters are suggesting fairly significant involvement in the middle east. A lot more people will die if we try to restructure the region and chase out the Jews. I don't even see your position as being sympathetic toward middle eastern civilians. It's really only helpful to terrorist groups seeking control.

I never suggested "chas[ing] out the Jews." I recognize that there are people who advocate for that, but they're pretty clearly not serious people. I think we need to leverage the resources we provide to Israel by requiring that they actually, in good faith, participate in a two-state solution that creates a functional Palestinian state or integrate the Palestinian population into their country as full citizens with full rights. I am willing to allocate foreign aid and resources to this. I do not want to allocate cash and in-kind military support to Israel in the form we are providing now, i.e., no strings.

They've tried. They've offered a ton of deals to the Palestinians. If we think we can do better than all of the middle eastern leaders who've tried to fix this, over the span of several decades, we are either dumb or narcissistic.

Then they need to offer better deals. And I think that we [the U.S.] should use our leverage, aka the $3B+ in annual foreign aid that we spend on Israel, to encourage the Israeli government to do this. And cut it off if they do not.

Oh yes. Let's meddle even more in middle eastern politics and pump a tiny nation with $3B allowance and require no industry. What could go wrong.

This is western meddling at its finest and you are too blind to even see it.

This is precisely what we're doing right now. What are you trying to say?

Giving aid to our military allies isn't the same as restructuring the middle east in a manner that comports with western sensibilities and completely discounts the preferences of the people living there.

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Israel will prevail. It is my strong hope that those who have engaged in antisemitism will realize the errors of their ways and apologize for their behavior. But they won’t.

To add, something in our system of higher education is really rotten.

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Anonymous wrote:How much worse it can get? What "worse" are we waiting for?

Speaking at Shura, Weisberg described in graphic detail how one badly charred body turned out to be two victims – a mother and a baby bound together in a deep embrace.

Another victim, he said, was a pregnant woman, her stomach cut open, her fetus pulled out and beheaded. The umbilical cord was still attached.

"When you think about evil, you realize it is beyond comprehension when you see what this terror organization did," the rabbi said.

"I’ve seen things that no one should ever see," said Shari, describing how many of the dead women arrived still wearing their pajamas, their heads blown off and some booby-trapped with grenades.

"We saw evidence of rape," Shari stated. "Pelvises were broken, and it probably takes a lot to break a pelvis… and this was also among grandmothers down to small children. These are things we saw with our own eyes."

We understand that horrible, inhuman, brutal acts were committed against innocent Israeli victims during the terrorist attack. Serious people do not deny this. Anyone who cheers this or thinks it was somehow deserved is a broken, twisted, horrible person.

But I am really not sure why PPs keep rehashing the brutalities of 10/7 here. What's the purpose? These people were victims of a horrible terrorist attack. There have been many horrible terrorist attacks, war crimes, etc. committed against all stripes of people throughout history. It is horrible and it should be condemned. What else are you saying beyond that?

Let me help you understand.
The attack suffered by Israel on 10/7 is why we are where we are. There would be no war in Israel had it not been for this brutal attack. These savages didn't attack the military as a government would do in a legitimate war. No, they went after civilians who had no defense. They went after women and children. They shot them. They beheaded some. They tortured many. They raped some. They burned them alive. They bombed some. And, they baked babies in an oven.
These are not the actions of "normal" people. These are not the actions of people trying to seize land or territory. These are the actions of brutally hateful savages. These are the actions of people that have no right to walk the earth among peace loving people.
I hope people continue to remind you, and others, of the brutality that happened that day. Because so many protests today - even in the US - are in support of Hamas... the brutal savages who carried out these acts. It is the responsibility of people everywhere to continue to remind the world what these savages did and why Israel is forced to take action.
Hope this helps with your understanding.

This is exactly what you genocidal colonists want us to do - to focus on only your trauma, your grief, your pain and to dehumanize your victims in order to justify the maniacal horror you will inflict on them.

You focus only on October 7 as though the world began on that day and:

Not one word from you about Israel's brutal oppression, murder, and dispossession of the Palestinian people over the last 75 years.

Not one word about the FACT that Israel has blockaded Gaza by land, sea, and air for the last 20 years, only allowing in enough calories per Gazan to prevent starvation and not one calorie more.

Not one word about the IDF-sponsored murder and torture of Palestinians and land theft in the West Bank where there is no Hamas.

Not one word about the 3500 Palestinian children and 1000 buried under rubble due to Israel's indiscriminate carpet bombing of Gaza.

Not one word about the FACT that Netanyahu gave financial and political support to Hamas in order to destabilize any attempts to establish a functional state. Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas lover of all who IGNORED intelligence warnings about the 10/7 attacks and didn't send help to besieged Israelis for SIX hours. Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas lover of all - anything to say about that?

And how exactly will dropping a Hiroshima-load of bombs on Gaza keep the hostages safe? The IRA was arguably using the Irish as human shields - gee, shouldn't England have besieged and carpet-bombed Ireland?

You lie about Hamas not being in the West Bank.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hamas.html#:~:text=HAMAS'%20strength%20is%20concentrated%20in,Palestinian%20territories%20since%20the%201990s.

PP here. The post you're responding to uses some rhetoric I disagree with, but you've responded to none of the substantive points it makes. Do you have a response?

I’ve responded to the colonialist nonsense a million times on this thread and Part 1. If people still refuse to accept that Israel isn’t a colonist state, I can’t help them.

Right. I agree the colonialist language is not accurate and not helpful. I'm asking about these things below [quoting the post]:

Not one word from you about Israel's brutal oppression, murder, and dispossession of the Palestinian people over the last 75 years.

Not one word about the FACT that Israel has blockaded Gaza by land, sea, and air for the last 20 years, only allowing in enough calories per Gazan to prevent starvation and not one calorie more.

Not one word about the IDF-sponsored murder and torture of Palestinians and land theft in the West Bank where there is no Hamas.

Not one word about the 3500 Palestinian children and 1000 buried under rubble due to Israel's indiscriminate carpet bombing of Gaza.

Not one word about the FACT that Netanyahu gave financial and political support to Hamas in order to destabilize any attempts to establish a functional state. Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas lover of all who IGNORED intelligence warnings about the 10/7 attacks and didn't send help to besieged Israelis for SIX hours. Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas lover of all - anything to say about that?

And how exactly will dropping a Hiroshima-load of bombs on Gaza keep the hostages safe?

Hiroshima. Really?

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Anonymous wrote:How much worse it can get? What "worse" are we waiting for?

Speaking at Shura, Weisberg described in graphic detail how one badly charred body turned out to be two victims – a mother and a baby bound together in a deep embrace.

Another victim, he said, was a pregnant woman, her stomach cut open, her fetus pulled out and beheaded. The umbilical cord was still attached.

"When you think about evil, you realize it is beyond comprehension when you see what this terror organization did," the rabbi said.

"I’ve seen things that no one should ever see," said Shari, describing how many of the dead women arrived still wearing their pajamas, their heads blown off and some booby-trapped with grenades.

"We saw evidence of rape," Shari stated. "Pelvises were broken, and it probably takes a lot to break a pelvis… and this was also among grandmothers down to small children. These are things we saw with our own eyes."

We understand that horrible, inhuman, brutal acts were committed against innocent Israeli victims during the terrorist attack. Serious people do not deny this. Anyone who cheers this or thinks it was somehow deserved is a broken, twisted, horrible person.

But I am really not sure why PPs keep rehashing the brutalities of 10/7 here. What's the purpose? These people were victims of a horrible terrorist attack. There have been many horrible terrorist attacks, war crimes, etc. committed against all stripes of people throughout history. It is horrible and it should be condemned. What else are you saying beyond that?

DP. Because the anti Israel calls came immediately after those horrific attacks. Before Israel even had time to construct a plan of response. Immediately, before the bodies were even cold, people came out against Israel. It sounds too much like support of the attacks.

That's because Israel has constantly been in conflict with Hamas.

Yes. Hamas has been bombing Israel for years. No more.

If that's the case, why has Netanyahu been giving Hamas millions of dollars in material and political support for years?

They never want to answer this question . . .

I am not certain of the validity of this statement, but might it be the naive belief that the money would go to the betterment of the Palestinian people?

Don't let facts get in the way of excuse making. That is their favorite thing to do. There are lions in the streets!

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Anonymous wrote:Israel will prevail. It is my strong hope that those who have engaged in antisemitism will realize the errors of their ways and apologize for their behavior. But they won’t.

To add, something in our system of higher education is really rotten.

Covid exposed our K-12 system as sub par, at best.
This crisis has exposed our universities for what they are.

Our education system, K-12 and beyond, needs a total overhaul.

Students do not learn facts and history and civics. All they hear about (not learning anything) is different people expressing themselves. I feel this, I went through this, this is what I think about it. It is like we are back to Galenism. What makes sense based on my thoughts and observations? That is truth!

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Anonymous wrote:Israel will prevail. It is my strong hope that those who have engaged in antisemitism will realize the errors of their ways and apologize for their behavior. But they won’t.

To add, something in our system of higher education is really rotten.

Covid exposed our K-12 system as sub par, at best.
This crisis has exposed our universities for what they are.

Our education system, K-12 and beyond, needs a total overhaul.

Students do not learn facts and history and civics. All they hear about (not learning anything) is different people expressing themselves. I feel this, I went through this, this is what I think about it. It is like we are back to Galenism. What makes sense based on my thoughts and observations? That is truth!

To continue, students so know history but they have overheard keywords or know about the absolute most well known historic events, so they respond to everything in that context (colonialism, oppression, Hiroshima, Hitler, etc). They have no idea what went on in the world after the world wars or after colonialism ended. They don't known about the ottoman empire. Muhammad Ali in Egypt. The African wars of the 20th century. Etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel will prevail. It is my strong hope that those who have engaged in antisemitism will realize the errors of their ways and apologize for their behavior. But they won’t.

To add, something in our system of higher education is really rotten.

Covid exposed our K-12 system as sub par, at best.
This crisis has exposed our universities for what they are.

Our education system, K-12 and beyond, needs a total overhaul.

Students do not learn facts and history and civics. All they hear about (not learning anything) is different people expressing themselves. I feel this, I went through this, this is what I think about it. It is like we are back to Galenism. What makes sense based on my thoughts and observations? That is truth!

To continue, students so know history but they have overheard keywords or know about the absolute most well known historic events, so they respond to everything in that context (colonialism, oppression, Hiroshima, Hitler, etc). They have no idea what went on in the world after the world wars or after colonialism ended. They don't known about the ottoman empire. Muhammad Ali in Egypt. The African wars of the 20th century. Etc.

*do not know history

[Anonymous]

My daughter is in 9th grade and her history teacher told the class that they are not allowed to discuss what is going on in Israel in class any more. He handed out a “fact sheet” on the history of Israel and told them to look there if they have questions. A lot of the facts are missing or misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in 9th grade and her history teacher told the class that they are not allowed to discuss what is going on in Israel in class any more. He handed out a “fact sheet” on the history of Israel and told them to look there if they have questions. A lot of the facts are missing or misleading.

Good, classrooms don't need students coming in "teaching" the other students their parents agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in 9th grade and her history teacher told the class that they are not allowed to discuss what is going on in Israel in class any more. He handed out a “fact sheet” on the history of Israel and told them to look there if they have questions. A lot of the facts are missing or misleading.

Good, classrooms don't need students coming in "teaching" the other students their parents agenda.

But what about learning facts about HISTORY so it doesn’t get repeated.