Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Taliban 'vows to conquer Jerusalem if Iran, Iraq and Jordan allow passage to Israel'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1821152/taliban-israel-palestine-jerusalem



Thanks for arming the Taliban to the teeth, Joe!


Rifles, Humvees and millions of rounds of ammo: Taliban celebrate their new American arsenal

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

Don't you think it's on the Afghanistans for handing it all over with a giant yellow bow to the Taliban?

It's on Biden for handling the withdrawal the way he did. He wanted the credit and didn't care about the logistics and details.

Biden’s approval ratings dropped after disastrous withdrawal and have never recovered. That was the beginning of the end for him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don’t understand how people both sides this. I’ve never seen videos of Israelis gleefully dragging the desecrated naked body of a very young woman through the street. Never.

Oh they do. There are little kids being used a shields for Israel troops, women being killed and dragged through the streets, etc. It just does not make it on cable TV in the state. You can find it on the web. Israel is very good about managing what makes it out of the occupied territories. They totally control the area. Israel government has media relations and intelligence services work hard to get the right story out. It is similar to what the US military did to manage the media in Afghanistan or Iraq. If reporter can only report what the see. If you keep them out of areas there will be no reports from those areas.

You would be surprised by the number of TV news talk show hosts and producers who get free trips to Israel. It’s a way to produce soft influences in your favor. It is very smart of Israel. I just do not understand why Israel is letting itself to become a partisan issue. That was dumb.

No, you are wrong. Equivalent videos don’t exist. If they did, they would be all over Arab-language news and media. They’d be looped endlessly, in fact. But they aren’t because the Israelis don’t do anything as horrific as the videos that have come out today.

There are plenty of Israelis-at-war videos. Those are always on Arab-language media. Plenty of videos of houses being razed, of soldiers on the West Bank, etc. Those are trivial to find. But there is nothing like today’s horror, even in Arab-language media. And that’s because Israelis don’t commit atrocities like this.

Your racism is so pervasive it is the air you breathe. “Israelis” slaughter and lay siege to brown people every single day. Every. Single. Day. You don’t recognize it because you don’t think Palestinians have human rights that Israelis violate every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I don’t understand how people both sides this. I’ve never seen videos of Israelis gleefully dragging the desecrated naked body of a very young woman through the street. Never.

If this is verified, we can all agree that it's horrific. But if you are at all rational, you've got to put this into its historical context, where for 70 years Israel and its most fervent supporter, the US, have denied the basic means of statehood to Palestinians. Israel has turned Palestinians into monsters. Yes, these are monsters who attacks Israel today, no one disputes that! But they were made because Israel has stolen their ancestral lands and entirely restricted their population's job market. What do young men do when they're forcibly unemployed and raised from birth with Israeli surveillance and brutality?

They take it out on innocents, and not-so-innocents who vote for the Israeli right-wing and those who support encroachment on Palestinian lands.

This is a case where both leaderships have done dastardly deeds, PP. The ones who suffer most are always the most vulnerable: women and children. But the real evil-doers, however hard it is for you to understand, are not the monsters running about in the streets. They're the besuited politicians who condemmed their populations to indefinite suffering for not allowing land, water access and statehood for Palestine. If Palestine had been a functional state from the beginning, we wouldn't be in this mess today.

The lessons is always this: comfortable populations have no reason to go fighting elsewhere. Bring people out of poverty, given them safety and economic opportunity, a means to access food and shelter for their families, and they won't have murderous resentments against their wealthier neighbors. See French revolution.

You'd think that after millennia of history repeating this cycle everywhere in the world, humans would know this. But they don't.

I’m the PP you are responding to, and I do not accept your apologist horror. I know perfectly well that if there existed an Israeli version of that awful video, you’d be baying for Israeli blood. There is monstrosity in what you’ve written here, with your excuses, your minimizing, and your defense of the indefensible.

Also, I’m not Jewish. And in the past I’ve been a critic of Israeli policies. But this is true horror beyond anything I’ve ever seen committed by Israel. Your horrific defense makes me further convinced of that.

DP. There are many many videos and images of Israeli atrocities. Just because you choose to ignore them does not make them go away. Jeff does not allow those video or images because they are snuff video and images and very sickening. As of August over 200 Palestinians have been killed by Israel this year.

[Anonymous]

We're waiting for Joe's meds to kick in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Congratulations Biden voters. Happy now?

How is this Biden’s fault? No lies about 6 billion in taxpayer money going to Iran, please.

He's weak. Our enemies know this.
Remember he has also been trying to revive the horrible Iran deal.
What part of the world is in better shape under Biden?

He's so weak that he was on the verge of bringing Israel and Saudi Arabia together in an agreement normalizing relations. Stopping this agreement was the incentive behind this attack.

The timing is interesting isn't it? Who has blocked hundreds of military promotions? Who just left 1/2 of our Congress powerless? Who is spreading lies about the 6 billion dollars?

Trump and the GOP have done more to weaken our country than anyone else.

That's an idiotic spin. At least make it believable.

DP No you are blinded by Fox. This is very similar to 911 and J6. Just like in the US we were attacked then when conservatives were in power and fail to protect us. Bibi failed to protect the country and people have died. Every time conservatives talk a big game and fail to deliver letting innocent citizens die. Shameful.

Let's forget the numerous attacks under Democratic administrations....
Carter - the Iran hostage crisis,
Clinton - numerous attacks by terrorists around the world and the 1st attack on the World Trade Center
Obama - Benghazi, Somalia, Syria.......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taliban 'vows to conquer Jerusalem if Iran, Iraq and Jordan allow passage to Israel'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1821152/taliban-israel-palestine-jerusalem



Thanks for arming the Taliban to the teeth, Joe!


Rifles, Humvees and millions of rounds of ammo: Taliban celebrate their new American arsenal

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

Don't you think it's on the Afghanistans for handing it all over with a giant yellow bow to the Taliban?

It's on Biden for handling the withdrawal the way he did. He wanted the credit and didn't care about the logistics and details.

Biden’s approval ratings dropped after disastrous withdrawal and have never recovered. That was the beginning of the end for him.

That was trump cutting and running. Who invites the Taliban to Camp David and strike a deal with them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congratulations Biden voters. Happy now?

How is this Biden’s fault? No lies about 6 billion in taxpayer money going to Iran, please.

He's weak. Our enemies know this.
Remember he has also been trying to revive the horrible Iran deal.
What part of the world is in better shape under Biden?

He's so weak that he was on the verge of bringing Israel and Saudi Arabia together in an agreement normalizing relations. Stopping this agreement was the incentive behind this attack.

The timing is interesting isn't it? Who has blocked hundreds of military promotions? Who just left 1/2 of our Congress powerless? Who is spreading lies about the 6 billion dollars?

Trump and the GOP have done more to weaken our country than anyone else.

AGREE 100% and this is all fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taliban 'vows to conquer Jerusalem if Iran, Iraq and Jordan allow passage to Israel'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1821152/taliban-israel-palestine-jerusalem



Thanks for arming the Taliban to the teeth, Joe!


Rifles, Humvees and millions of rounds of ammo: Taliban celebrate their new American arsenal

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

Don't you think it's on the Afghanistans for handing it all over with a giant yellow bow to the Taliban?

It's on Biden for handling the withdrawal the way he did. He wanted the credit and didn't care about the logistics and details.

Trump and Pompeo "negotiated" the withdrawal to happen months earlier in May. They agreed that all military and contractor support would end. They had Afghanistan release 5000 Taliban prisoners. The agreement had NO enforcement mechanisms.

Biden's choice was to keep soldiers there which would've surely made the war worse, or try to push withdrawal date back.

How many more Americans would be dead or injured now if we'd stayed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congratulations Biden voters. Happy now?

How is this Biden’s fault? No lies about 6 billion in taxpayer money going to Iran, please.

He's weak. Our enemies know this.
Remember he has also been trying to revive the horrible Iran deal.
What part of the world is in better shape under Biden?

He's so weak that he was on the verge of bringing Israel and Saudi Arabia together in an agreement normalizing relations. Stopping this agreement was the incentive behind this attack.

The timing is interesting isn't it? Who has blocked hundreds of military promotions? Who just left 1/2 of our Congress powerless? Who is spreading lies about the 6 billion dollars?

Trump and the GOP have done more to weaken our country than anyone else.

That's an idiotic spin. At least make it believable.

DP No you are blinded by Fox. This is very similar to 911 and J6. Just like in the US we were attacked then when conservatives were in power and fail to protect us. Bibi failed to protect the country and people have died. Every time conservatives talk a big game and fail to deliver letting innocent citizens die. Shameful.

+1. This was not a few Hamas militant getting in the morning and saying let’s attack Israel. This was a sophisticated attack involving many people and long preparation. The fact that Israel had no intelligence in it is a huge problem for Netanyahu. Or maybe he did have some intelligence and let it slip because what’s best that an attack from Hamas to refocus Israeli society against an enemy outside instead of a power grab by a RW government. In both cases this is at Netanyahu’s feet.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone heard from….

AOC?

Ilan Omar?

Rashida Tlaib?


Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taliban 'vows to conquer Jerusalem if Iran, Iraq and Jordan allow passage to Israel'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1821152/taliban-israel-palestine-jerusalem



Thanks for arming the Taliban to the teeth, Joe!


Rifles, Humvees and millions of rounds of ammo: Taliban celebrate their new American arsenal

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

Don't you think it's on the Afghanistans for handing it all over with a giant yellow bow to the Taliban?

It's on Biden for handling the withdrawal the way he did. He wanted the credit and didn't care about the logistics and details.

Come on, get real. What do you hope to accomplish by blaming Biden? Americans pointing fingers at each other while Rome burns. Don't you understand that's the goal of whoever is pulling the puppet strings in the background?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else just sick of muslims and jews in that region?

Maybe both should just move somewhere else and the region should be under different rule like it was 850 years ago.

I'm sick of it. I lived in the Middle East as a child and was evacuated right before the 1967 war. I can't believe this s**t is still going on 50+ years later! These two will still be standing and fighting each other when the earth ends.

Agree. I'm tired of it and tired of hearing about it. They've both done things to wrong the other. They both hate each other. I don't care who first had the land, who has the right to the land, blah, blah, blah. I just don't care.

The average person doesn’t care. True.

But certain governments care. It’s a geopolitical chess game with Israel and Hamas playing the role of an eternal powder keg of nothing but trouble…impacting countries not only in the region but also allies or instigators elsewhere.

Israel/Palestine
Ukraine/Russia
Saudis Arabia
US
North Korea
China
Lebanon
Iran
Etc.

While everyone is sick of the nonsense, we don’t have the luxury of washing our hands of the situation…because everything has a consequence.

The never ending conflict is essentially managed by periodic escalation and deescalation. But nothing is ever really resolved.

This is why we wash our hands of it. And I'm seriously interested in knowing --- what have we concretely received (in at least the last 50+ years) in involving ourselves betweeen these two entities? Or anywhere in the Mideast?

[Anonymous]

Can the MAGAs stop commenting so we can have an adult level conversation here? Can you go back to r/conservative or truth social some other safe space?

I think the videos coming out are horrific. I expect that Gaza is done after this. 2 million or whatever is left of their citizens will be displaced. I agree with the PP that this will be an Israeli beach town in 5-10 years. In the meantime, it’s sure nice to know that one branch of the U.S. government (ie, the House for you MAGA nitwits) is powerless to do anything in terms of support at the moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taliban 'vows to conquer Jerusalem if Iran, Iraq and Jordan allow passage to Israel'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1821152/taliban-israel-palestine-jerusalem



Thanks for arming the Taliban to the teeth, Joe!


Rifles, Humvees and millions of rounds of ammo: Taliban celebrate their new American arsenal

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html

Don't you think it's on the Afghanistans for handing it all over with a giant yellow bow to the Taliban?

It's on Biden for handling the withdrawal the way he did. He wanted the credit and didn't care about the logistics and details.

Trump and Pompeo "negotiated" the withdrawal to happen months earlier in May. They agreed that all military and contractor support would end. They had Afghanistan release 5000 Taliban prisoners. The agreement had NO enforcement mechanisms.

Biden's choice was to keep soldiers there which would've surely made the war worse, or try to push withdrawal date back.

How many more Americans would be dead or injured now if we'd stayed?

Something you folks always fail to state.....
The withdrawal agreement under Trump was conditions-based. The conditions had not been met, thus there should have been no withdrawal until they were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congratulations Biden voters. Happy now?

How is this Biden’s fault? No lies about 6 billion in taxpayer money going to Iran, please.

He's weak. Our enemies know this.
Remember he has also been trying to revive the horrible Iran deal.
What part of the world is in better shape under Biden?

He's so weak that he was on the verge of bringing Israel and Saudi Arabia together in an agreement normalizing relations. Stopping this agreement was the incentive behind this attack.

The timing is interesting isn't it? Who has blocked hundreds of military promotions? Who just left 1/2 of our Congress powerless? Who is spreading lies about the 6 billion dollars?

Trump and the GOP have done more to weaken our country than anyone else.

That's an idiotic spin. At least make it believable.

DP No you are blinded by Fox. This is very similar to 911 and J6. Just like in the US we were attacked then when conservatives were in power and fail to protect us. Bibi failed to protect the country and people have died. Every time conservatives talk a big game and fail to deliver letting innocent citizens die. Shameful.

Let's forget the numerous attacks under Democratic administrations....
Carter - the Iran hostage crisis,
Clinton - numerous attacks by terrorists around the world and the 1st attack on the World Trade Center
Obama - Benghazi, Somalia, Syria.......

Yes let’s only look at attacks in the US. Otherwise we would have to include marine barracks lebanon 1983, Achille Lauro in 1985, etc etc.