Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

So, we can bring back SROs, right?

It's MCPDs job to police the county whether there are SROs or not, but I've heard SROs don't make schools safer at least they failed to do that at both Parkland or Uvalde.

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[Anonymous]

There's a video on YouTube of the county's working session on these issues yesterday.

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I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

So, we can bring back SROs, right?

It's MCPDs job to police the county whether there are SROs or not, but I've heard SROs don't make schools safer at least they failed to do that at both Parkland or Uvalde.

You need a new talking point. Those are just two examples and there are many more where SRO's saved lives or helped in a bad situation. But, please, give us a better solution as your do nothing approach is failing actual kids in the schools vs. just those you read about.

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Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a video on YouTube of the county's working session on these issues yesterday.

They should require those who are making decisions about our schools to have kids in MCPS vs. kids in private. What a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

What they have to gain is that they can hide how ineffective RJ is, and how crime is up in MCPS after SROs were removed.

It justifies keeping RJ and not having SROs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

One point that they brought up is that suspensions are down but I think that RS makes it harder to suspend somebody so that's not a good metric at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

One point that they brought up is that suspensions are down but I think that RS makes it harder to suspend somebody so that's not a good metric at all.

+1 How dumb. Gee, if we don't suspend them, then the numbers will look better.

It's like how some of the covid denying red states refused to report covid deaths so that their numbers didn't look so bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

What they have to gain is that they can hide how ineffective RJ is, and how crime is up in MCPS after SROs were removed.

It justifies keeping RJ and not having SROs.

Okay, but why would they want to keep RJ If it's ineffective? Wouldn't that just make matters worse for them? Seriously, I just can't understand why they wouldn't want to make the best possible decisions since this impacts the welfare of so many students.

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SSuspension and referral data does not reflect much in the schools at the moment. The referral process has been minimized or ignored in my cases. Teachers arent even trained on it. Schools cant suspend unless they get approval from central office. Calling police for investigations/ arrests and ambulances for emergencies can't be manipulated easily. So, it is the only useful data in my opinion. MCPS and MoCo admin wants to see RJ as successful and see success in reducing the school to prison pipeline. However, I have a feeling the data doesnt support that possibility yet. It could in the future is RJ is actually implemented, but that is very, very hard to do. It is a relatively lengthy process for the individuals involved and schools have difficulty committing the resources and gaining buy in from students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found the article in Bethesda Magazine an easier read than having to sit through that meeting, but my takeaway were:

1) The county lacks any metrics on the effectiveness of RJ
2) The CEO program is doing its job and seems to be working, but it lacks metrics to assess this compared with SROs.

Seems like they lack actual data to make informed choices. Maybe that's by design but who knows?

I'm still trying to make my way through it. I found it interesting that they did things like lumped Epi-Pen medical emergencies with medical emergencies from fights so there was no way to get a clear picture of how many times students have had to get medical help from school violence. One question that was asked more than once was about the rate of kids that reoffend once they go through the RJ process and nobody was able to answer that. I think that should be one of the MAIN indicators on if it's working or not.

IMO, they are purposefully obscuring that info.

It seems that way, but what would they have to gain from this? That just makes matters worse for everyone.

I wish there was a way to hold them accountable and require follow up to provide this information.

What they have to gain is that they can hide how ineffective RJ is, and how crime is up in MCPS after SROs were removed.

It justifies keeping RJ and not having SROs.

Okay, but why would they want to keep RJ If it's ineffective? Wouldn't that just make matters worse for them? Seriously, I just can't understand why they wouldn't want to make the best possible decisions since this impacts the welfare of so many students.

You must be new to MoCo.

All MoCo progressives care about is the perception of RJ and social justice. They don't actually care whether the program works or not. They don't actually care about all kids, only that the perception that black/brown kids aren't getting into trouble at a higher rate than the other groups. Nevermind that the victims tend to be mostly URM kids.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video on YouTube of the county's working session on these issues yesterday.

Could anyone who watched the video say if they presented opposing views on RJ or was it all rainbows and sunshine?